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Can anyone help me get out of the false left right paradigm ?

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 06:47 AM
Can anyone help me get out of the false left right paradigm ? What I mean is I am aware of the New World Order but I still seem to want to admire and respect these Puppet Presidents in a cult of personality is there anything I do about this ? I seem to still respect Presidents like Obama George Bush both Bushes by the way Bill Clinton Ronald Reagan and Franklin Delano Roosevelt is there anything I can do to realize that these Presidents are just Puppets ? I am not trying to make this into a Religion thread but I could realize that God has the real power over our planet not our Politicians ? Thank you for replying to this thread.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:00 AM
Start reading about their exploits of the american people, thats a good start
Take a look at some of the people they're in bed with.

And me, i just ignore politics. Thats how i keep out of the right-left thing. No sense voting in a two party system when both parties are the same.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:04 AM
God is the very people controlling the presidents, prime-ministers, banks, world leaders, police officers etc etc etc

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:14 AM
reply to post by mikejohnson2006

When You and your family are shot/tortured/abused and when you are thrown into the gas oven will you still admire those who seek to make you eat your own feaces?

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:15 AM
Each of us has had an AWAKENING at some point.

Some experienced the Awaking earlier than others, some are going through their Awaking now, some are still asleep.

Sounds like you are currently experiencing YOUR awaking at this present time.

Nothing wrong with that. Each of us have our own path to follow, and our own time frame to experience, sounds like you have not lost your way, nor has time run out for you.

To help speed the process up the very first thing I would advise is to

STOP WATCHING TV, all TV, no news, no shows, nothing for one Month.

If you play video games, quit that activity also for the same one month time frame.

If you are a Face book junkie, and/or twitter quit that cold turkey for the same month.

Limit your internet usage to no more than 1 hour per day during this month.

The purpose of stopping All of these media input is to allow your mind to rest and clear, not just from the informational propaganda downloads, but from the electronic noise as well.

Sounds drastic ?

If you do this a month from now you will be saying this was the best step I have ever taken on my path.

edit on 20-12-2011 by brokedown because: grammer correction

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:20 AM
reply to post by mikejohnson2006

Make us proud, and run for office as an independent in one form or another.
Someones got to get the ball rolling.

A solid triangle has three points of balance.

Not to mention that it keeps two parties from getting too comfortable and
in cohoots with themselves.
S A V V Y?

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:31 AM
reply to post by ROYALREPTILE

GOD is not directing these persons in authority lives nor actions.

Just like each Human on the face of the Planet, they are given choices each day,

Choose correctly experience Spiritual growth.

Choose incorrectly experience Spiritual descent.

Don’t go blaming GOD for the condition we find our World engulfed in today, this was the free will choice of our leaders, our police, an ourselves.

The Religious teaching that GOD chooses our leaders and those in authority is a perversion of Spiritual Enlightenment and it becomes the most Evil form of Mind Control.

Each of these persons have Free Will and they are using that Free Will to usher in a Dark Age.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:31 AM
The more I learned, the easier it was for me to reject the false paradigm.

An added bonus is that I now get endless grief from both my Republican AND Democratic friends! Man, they do NOT like it when you think outside their clubs. I just see it as an opportunity to try and gently nudge them towards an awakening. A long-time friend, and a lifelong Democrat, has recently started to see the light. That makes me happy.

Educate yourself. Don't swallow propaganda. Always question. Good luck.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:40 AM
reply to post by mikejohnson2006

left or right politicians are fighting for their own elite who sponsor their side! either way, the rich get richer, and the poor get more dependent on the govt.

Their main goals are the same. But they keep up this facade by having useless, cosmetic, arguements such as abortion and gay rights. By bickering and fighting over such important issues as that, we dont bother with arguing over actual important issues, such as the Fed Reserve for example.

just remember, its not left vs right, its rich vs poor

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:59 AM
reply to post by mikejohnson2006

To the OP. Simply examine the cabinets of our last two presidents, and see who their former employers were. Do the same for their economic advisors. Obama's first term is Bush's third.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:18 AM
Do what I did and simply forget it even exists. It is that simple. Abandon it and only care about one team from now on out like everyone should and that is the American party as that party is the only one that matters.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:19 AM
reply to post by TheReligiousHoax

Why stop at 43, go all the way back to Carter or even Ford and see who is constantly appearing. To make an addendum as to what you said, Obama is actually Reagan's Fourth!
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:48 AM
reply to post by mikejohnson2006

It's only false when talking about government. They have no left/right, only a fascist middle. But ordinary citizens are most definitely left or right (to a small degree, up to an extreme).

Couch in those terms and you can break out or stay in with no guilt.


posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:41 AM
The funniest thing about the false left/right paradigm is that the people who claim it exists are usually leftists.


edit on 20-12-2011 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:42 AM
With your indulgence I would like to move in a slightly different direction.

It is in our nature as people to attempt to communicate with one another. This exercise accomplishes many things, and serves both us, and our posterity by successfully propagating valuable information which makes future struggles in life less threatening, as well as rendering our efforts in many affairs more efficient.

Some call it wisdom. Some call it otherwise, but therein begins the fertile ground for constructing modes of thought which can become 'embedded' and taken as "principles" or "values" which in many cases endure to our advantage, and in equally many cases, cripple our ability to adapt or reevaluate our approach to problems.

The Left-Right paradigm you refer to is - and has always been - entirely a political illusion.

So the answer to your question is yes you can be helped to overcome the left-right trap. But there is one significant caveat to that assertion: YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DO IT. No one can do it for you.

There are no magic words, or craftily structured comments that can make someone "see the light" - they must "look" if they wish to see. And looking isn't some disingenuous glance to 'intellectually' recognize there is a flaw in the divisive paradigm. You have to come to terms with something most would-be clear thinkers are familiar with... the realization that the divide is purposefully imposed.

You can't go around the political theater saying your opponent is evil. So you call him a "Left-wing whatever" or a "Right-wing whatever." Lacking the label, you would have to actually get "into" the differences of opinion you have with them.... which none of the thespian politicians dare do... because they risk 'their image' in such contests. For these media creations "image" is everything. That game becomes too high risk to genuinely pursue... so instead they create a convenient label into which they can pour generalizations and demagoguery - the more broad the generalization, the more repugnant the category, the better.

"Left" means liberal, tree hugging, hippie douche-bags who are pretentious, childishly selfish, concerned with tacitly unachievable ideals, and favoring social surrender to forceful victory. "Right" means war mongers, exploiters, fascist jack-booted rule lovers, who prefer robotic compliance to laws which endorse them taking what they want, oppressors of anything foreign, fear-driven believers in "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em, out later." Of course, neither generalization is true.

The most aggravating factor in this political "game" of division is that the divisive memes and paradigms are placed in the hands of those who profit from their existence; they proselytized them as truths. Loyalties and commerce allow them to acquire media outlets' influence to further their theater - a theater which serves no useful social purpose... it serves only one culture... the culture of the political career and those who sponsor it.

Interestingly, history has shown us, and continues to show us the one truth that adherents to either 'side' believe - are completely irrelevant as either group does the same thing as the other. No matter who's "side" leadership has been on over the ages, those who govern eventually become the plaything of those who "own."

History is repeatedly and continually expunged of the most exemplary events which prove this to be true. And the past is constantly being re'described - in some half-assed tautological exercise to make it sound like there was a 'decision' made at some right/left level which accounts for the status quo. Again, this is untrue.

There is no real distinction between one politician or another, they change parties to win, they change positions to win, they make decision based upon "winning" NOT governing... because governing falls to their party leadership... all of whom are either in the "owner" class - or part of its attendant functionaries.

Recently, as if the point were bubbling to the surface on its own, we have seen the politicians retreating from the people... especially when words like 'disparity' came about. Disparity and inequality are the hallmarks of the existence of the ignored and disregarded along side the served and privileged. It is the defining meme of royalty versus serf. Once the people begin to examine 'equity' the resulting contrast politicians engender is infuriating.

Recommended reading/viewing:
The Century of the Self (find out how Freud's Nephew gave the gift of mob conditioning to the commercial giants of the West)
The Politics of Fear (see how the West botched our relations with the children of Mohammed in pursuit of self-serving vainglory)
Manufacturing Consent (examine the frailty of the collective human psyche and how it is used to secure our acquiescence.)
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:14 AM
I think one of the very best ways to understand how the left/right paradigm works in politics is by studying Antony Sutton, a researcher at Hoover Inst.
In this segment reprinted by Alex Jones Prison Planet, he explains Hegelian Dialectic, but in his book on Skull and Bones he goes into greater detail about how the Hegelian Dialectic came to Yale University and got its roots in the American process.

How can there exist a common objective when members [of The Order of Skull and Bones] are apparently acting in opposition to one another?
Probably the most difficult task in this work will be to get across to the reader what is really an elementary observation: that the objective of The Order is neither "left" nor "right." "Left" and "right" are artificial devicces to bring about change, and the extremes of political left and political right are vital elements in a process of controlled change.
The answer to this seeming political puzzle lies in Hegelian logic. Remember that both Marx and Hitler, the extremes of "left" and "right" presented as textbook enemies, evolved out of the same philosophical system: Hegelianism. That brings screams of intellectual anguish from Marxists and Nazis, but is well known to any student of political systems.
The dialectical process did not originate with Marx as Marxists claim, but with Fichte and Hegel in late 18th and early 19th century Germany. In the dialectical process a clash of opposites brings about a synthesis. For example, a clash of political left and political right brings about another political system, a synthesis of the two, niether left nor right. This conflict of opposites is essential to bring about change.
Today this process can be identified in the literature of the Trilateral Commission where "change" is promoted and "conflict management" is termed the means to bring about this change.
In the Hegelian system conflict is essential. Furthermore, for Hegel and systems based on Hegel, the State is absolute. The State requires complete obedience from the individual citizen. An individual does not exist for himself in these so-called organic systems but only to perform a role in the operation of the State...

So who or what is the State? Obviously it's a self-appointed elite. It is interesting that Fichte, who developed these ideas before Hegel, was a freemason, almost certainly Illuminati, and certainly was promoted by the Illuminati

So that is part of that article explaining what the NWO is using Hegelian Dialectic for. Change!


It is common for people to use Hitler as an example of right wing, but in the real context of things, Nazism is just the right wing component in the Dialectic, not an example of a true conservative or the conservatives in the US. Sutton explains that Nazism evolved out of the same philosophy as Marx. That means they both evolved out of the Statist mentality, and both systems are Totalitarian in nature with the State as supreme ruler of the people, instead of the people having individual value.
I think people have a misunderstanding even when they know about this paradigm. One needs to understand how the Dialectic has operated over the years so that a leader may have a leftist background and base but may suddenly appear "centrist" to his own base because he may suddenly succumb to elements supposedly of the "right". We are seeing this today in the Presidency. But look at the other side. Supposedly Republican presidential candidates are appearing more as stealth Progressives, and they are. Because the Dialectic has already produced a synthesis blurring the pairs of opposites.
Sutton explains that the NWO is the synthesis. The NWO is the desired result, and the NWO is Totaltarian and Statist. That is something we absolutely must understand about why they use this method and what the end game is. Its the Supreme control of the State over individuals.
Even if you look at Marxist philosophy or the ideas of Lenin(rooted in Marxist theory anyway) we can see that they say that socialism is a bridge to communism, but also alternatively say that violent revolution is needed in order to bring about the socialist society.
The synthesis that is now the NWO has elements of both left and right and that is confusing to some. It applies the private Federal Reserve banking system which indicates the private sector, but it has been combined with the govt sector and even the International sector so much so that the World Govt is using the apparatus to achieve its goals.
Leftists will say that privatising is bad and conservatives will say that nationalizing is bad.
With the Fed, we already have the worst of both.
The answer is not to nationalize the Fed but to abolish it. Statist types hate this because they would have to give up their collectivist ideals.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:22 AM
So in the context of Hegelian dialectical reasoning, we can see that those who seem to be on the right can still finance the activities of the left, as the Bush family did with Hitler. Prescott Bush helped financed Hitler and the Rockefellers financed the Bolsheviks?
What? The Capitalists financed Hitler Nazis and Bolshevik communists?
This is still going on today, regardless of what we are calling the factions.
In the Gulf wars, the American govt helped Saddam in the lead up, and then beat him down as the enemy. This is classic.
Then we have the Rothschilds.
They built up their massive empire by working both sides of every war.
Now you understand why the CFR working through their components in the US govt have aided and abetted all our worst enemies in secret and sometimes even in broad daylight. They continue to this day, whether its Democrat or Republican.
Totalitarian World Govt is the end game and the Elite are the controllers. They will always be at the top of the heap no matter how they convince people that the proletariat will have ownership of this and that.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Carseller4
The funniest thing about the false left/right paradigm is that the people who claim it exists are usually leftists.


edit on 20-12-2011 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Indeed, I have had a number of adherents to the idea tell me to stop being so right wing.

You have brought up an important component here. I have noticed that more than a few Ron Paulites here are decidedly left leaning, yet they would vote for a Republican, not because they see him as a Republican, but because they see the less Republican elements of Ron Paul's non left/riight paradigm.
Ron Paul is more less what we would call a Constitutionalist. So while leftists appreciate his stance on pot legalization and his anti war stance, those are the very elements that turn of conservative Republicans, and this is why he has a hard time winning the nomination. His anti war stance is not the same as that of the typical liberal though. It is based out of non-intervention and a more laissez - faire attitude which the left does not understand.
Obama is not a right wing warhawk, He is decidedly left, yet he is just as much involved in the wars as Bush was. Leftists are angry at this and do not understand that war is just as much a part of the left/right paradigm as any other issue.
FDR was Democrat and look what happened at Pearl Harbor. FDR allowed it to occur when he knew already the Japanese were on their way.
American sentiment was anti war and he needed something to convince Americans it was necessary.
In the end we stopped Hitler, but Russian communism escaped practically unnoticed. The gulags were happening even then.
Hitler imprisoned communists, and thus he is hated by communists in general, which is why they continue to portray him as right wing conservative. That is completely laughable but socialism and communism are both born of the same mindset. Marx knew it and so did Lenin.

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:43 AM
Here's a listing of some of Suttons books

•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930 (1968)
•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1930-1945 (1971)
•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1945-1965 (1973)
•National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union (1973)
•Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution (1974, 1999)
•Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler (1976, 1999)
•Wall Street and FDR (1976, 1999)
•The War on Gold: How to Profit from the Gold Crisis (1977)
•Energy: The Created Crisis (1979)
•The Diamond Connection: A manual for investors (1979)
•Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume I (1979; with Patrick M. Wood)
•Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume II (1980; with Patrick M. Wood)
How the Order Controls Education (1985)
•The Two Faces of George Bush (1988)
•The Federal Reserve Conspiracy (1995)

posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by VonDoomen

its rich vs poor

It may appear to you to be that way, but the proletariat masses are still used even in the communist revolution. The rich vs the poor are another paradigm used by the controllers. This is known as "class warfare". So while it is mostly the wealthy elite who are at the top, some of the not so wealthy are used as tools.

The Union bosses are wealthy and they use blue collar workers and collect dues from them. Union people are so devoted to their bosses and will travel and protest for them. The Union bosses like Trumpka are very much for the NWO and for global taxes. Trumpka is sporting the financial transaction fees, while the Al Gore types prefer the Climate Change tax.
It's all the same thing though. GLobal taxation for the One World Govt.
Even UN bureaucrats get money out of the pie.
And your taxes paid for it, and likely you support the very agenda which is for your demise in the de-population agenda of control and resource rationing.
All that sustainability cr*& is out of the Totalitarian One World UN Agenda 21.
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