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Absolutely right. I certainly don't want to pollute my worship. They're just a couple of things I want to make sure of first.
The whole point is that if the First Century Christians didn't pollute their worship of God with Pagan beleifs...
Why should we??!!!
"Mithra or Mitra is...worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun's disciples.... [The Sun's] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal Equinox—Christmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb...."
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by autowrench
Who said the Holy Spirit is a male?edit on 22-12-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by rapunzel222
You are correct about a lot of the stolen concepts that make up the xtian cannon. When Next I am in London I will try and get a photo of Isis withthe infant horus on her knees which is the template for the Madonna and child.
What are the matters that were taught to the disciples, that aren't in the Scriptures?
Q) What about the Egyptian sun god, Horus?
First of all, Horus wasn’t a sun god. That was Amun-Ra. Horus was a sky god, as much associated with the moon as he is with the sun. But Jesus wasn’t a sun god, either, so it’s irrelevant. I’ve seen many mythicists bring up the fact that “son” and “sun” are homonyms, but they’re only homonyms in the English language, which wasn’t around in Jesus’ day, obviously.
Q) Okay, but wasn’t he virgin-born, among other things?
There is nothing in any of his stories saying, or suggesting, that his mother was a virgin.
Q) But aren’t there multiple versions of his birth story?
Yes. And none of them states, or implies, that his mother was a virgin when she gave birth to him. In the most common version of the birth story, his father, Osiris, is killed by his brother, Seth. Osiris’ wife, Isis, puts his body back together and has sex with his corpse, conceiving Horus. In another version, she brings Osiris back to life and has sex with him, only to have him die again afterwards. In another version, there’s a sexless conception, involving a spiritual transfer between them.
Q) Which means she’s a virgin in that version of the story, right?
No, because she was still married to Osiris, and we wouldn’t simply assume that a married couple has never had sex before, just because they didn’t do it at that particular moment.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Byrd
Actually, Biblical scholars don't agree with this, nor do most Egyptologists. "Amun-re" is not the derivation of "Amen"... it is, in fact a Hebrew word meaning "so be it".
Amen is not a Hebrew word. (I checked) Etymologically speaking, the word’s root is Hebrew in origin, with its use spreading to eventually encompass Christianity and Islam.
Amen is found in the Bible, of course, but also found in the Quran, and in Hinduism.
Beyond Judaism, in the fading mists of early history, the word can be traced to ancient Egypt and a particular line of Pharaohs, that of the Amun or Amen –Hotep lineage, such as, Amun-Re, Egyptian god of the Sun.
Amen –Hotep IV is today known as the heretic king, the most ancient ruler to whom history can attribute another origin, that of Monotheistic belief. (Belief in one God only)
I would this alone is why the word carried on like it did, the one God belief.
"When thou crossest the sky, all faces behold thee, but when thou departest, thou are hidden from their faces.. When thou settest in the western mountain, then they sleep in the manner of death..The fashioner of that which the soil produces,...a mother of profit to gods and men; a patient craftsmen, greatly wearying himself as their maker..valiant herdsman, driving his cattle, their refuge and the making of their living..The sole Lord, who reaches the end of the lands every day, as one who sees them that tread thereon..Every land chatters at his rising every day, in order to praise him." (source)
Originally posted by gort51
The Modern "Christians" tend to forget that the "Jews" were the slaves of the Egyptians for many years.
Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by toreishi
Yeah but that's another debate as to whether Mithra came before Osiris.
In turn Interestingly enough most Atheists think that Atheism and the beleif that no creator was necessary for life to exist is a relatively modern way of thinking but it's not a modern philosphy at all. The Ancient Egyptians were the first IIRC to muse that life could form from nothing, when they observed the scarab beetles' young emerging from the sand "as if from nothing".
Amen is not a Hebrew word. (I checked)