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Osiris, the origins of christianity, the egyptian resurrection

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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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I know its hard to imagine but the techings of one who would come some day and be resurrected from the dead go way wat back. These ideas were so prevailling that rouge offshoots had to incorporate many of the points into their own version, a corrupted version that spread out of the Mesopotamian area to the world.

You will find several versions of a war that took place to stop the spread of the corruption. It was known as the "War of 400" and can be found recorded in versions found in Egypt, India and amoung the Maya. It is basically a celebration of the defeat of the army of Set, as he is called in Egypt, and the victory and establishment of the corrupted version like the egyptian mysteries. Set was actually a name given to the keepers of the original story and is based on the name Seth or the Sethites. Shem was the personal name of the Sethite man that fought against Horus. Shem was also the father of the semitc or shemetic tribes. The real man Horus was a son of Shems brother Ham.

Amoung the truths corrupted by certain descenedents of Ham were the resurrection story, the real meaning of the zodiac Orion as comming King, original weights and mesures, the original calender, prophecy and much much more.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
It's pretty much been debunked by real Biblical scholars, not the fake God haters. What they typically do is sift through the thousands of contradictory Osiris and Horus myths and then filter out the stuff that seems to prove their point.

www.pleaseconvinceme.com...


I beg to differ. Why is is any history older than Christianity is immediately labelled as Myths, while the Bible, which is a collection of many of these Myths, it taken as a literal truth? I have pretty much debunked the Bible, so here we are. Even so called Biblical Scholars have to agree about the Egyptian influence on modern religion. Every Christian prayer is ended with giving credence to Amun-Re, by saying "Amen."



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by rapunzel222

Originally posted by EricD
The original post is useless without links to support, flesh out and document your claims.

If you'd like to actually engage in a discussion, please offer supporting sources. If not, this thread could just as effectively been placed in 'rants'.

Eric

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hey, why don't you just get stuffed?

if you can't be arsed reading the BOOK i referred to to support my theories cuz you're too LAZY, then don't waste my time with your asinine comments.

typical of this pathetic forum.

and for those of you whinging about sources... nah, i can' tbe bothered. a lot of it is based on a wide amount of general reading and general knowledge - in particular general reading. if you haven't done it, then do it yourself, and you'll be able to follow what i'm talking about.

i'm not hear to spoon feed people really. this was for people who already have some knowledge of the topic, or care enough to look it up themselves if there was something they didn't know or wanted to check out.
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And that sir is why you are completely discredited.

To prove my point using your own misguided reasoning is that before you can post on this topic you need to go and read the 1611 KJV Bible at least 3 times focusing on the old testament and then study all oof EW Bullingers work on the Mazzaroth and don't come back until you can speak Hebrew and Greek so you can validate what is most certainly common knowledge and common reading for thousands of years.

You gave an opinion on a book you read...sheesh!
Really?
That's your claim???
You cannot even argue the point intelligently without refering to the book you read as the totality of your presentation.
Complete fail once you were asked to support your claims.
You have been more discredited than zeitgeist now based on your response.
Complete and total FAIL!



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock
I know its hard to imagine but the techings of one who would come some day and be resurrected from the dead go way wat back. These ideas were so prevailling that rouge offshoots had to incorporate many of the points into their own version, a corrupted version that spread out of the Mesopotamian area to the world.

You will find several versions of a war that took place to stop the spread of the corruption. It was known as the "War of 400" and can be found recorded in versions found in Egypt, India and amoung the Maya. It is basically a celebration of the defeat of the army of Set, as he is called in Egypt, and the victory and establishment of the corrupted version like the egyptian mysteries. Set was actually a name given to the keepers of the original story and is based on the name Seth or the Sethites. Shem was the personal name of the Sethite man that fought against Horus. Shem was also the father of the semitc or shemetic tribes. The real man Horus was a son of Shems brother Ham.

Amoung the truths corrupted by certain descenedents of Ham were the resurrection story, the real meaning of the zodiac Orion as comming King, original weights and mesures, the original calender, prophecy and much much more.


spot on!
tHIS IS THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF A COMPLETE REBUKE TO THE ZEITGEIST THEORIES THAT ARE ACCEPTED BY THE OP.

You cannot strat your investigation in the oj Simpson trial by listening to the closing arguments by the prosecution and be respected to have ANY credibility to those that have the whole background knowledge to all the events instead of the last parts to the story.

Why is this so hard for intelligent people to understand?

Just research the Mazzaroth to see where the world first learned the story that gave birth to all the posers throughout history.
They all tried to claim it but only One person in History fulfilled all the prophecies that pertained to who the Annointed One was to be and is to be and will be.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by SevenThunders
It's pretty much been debunked by real Biblical scholars, not the fake God haters. What they typically do is sift through the thousands of contradictory Osiris and Horus myths and then filter out the stuff that seems to prove their point.

www.pleaseconvinceme.com...


I beg to differ. Why is is any history older than Christianity is immediately labelled as Myths, while the Bible, which is a collection of many of these Myths, it taken as a literal truth? I have pretty much debunked the Bible, so here we are. Even so called Biblical Scholars have to agree about the Egyptian influence on modern religion. Every Christian prayer is ended with giving credence to Amun-Re, by saying "Amen."


you only debunked your own intelligence on the matter by seeking to support your own pre=suppositions.
Sorry, it's fact!



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
I beg to differ. Why is is any history older than Christianity is immediately labelled as Myths, while the Bible, which is a collection of many of these Myths, it taken as a literal truth?


This is probably a mindset of some people, but it's certainly doesn't represent the view of archaeologists, anthropologists, historians (and any number of scholars.) There's a lot of writing that was done long before the first books of the Bible were written, and much of what's recorded are histories and laws (and lots and lots of letters between rulers) as well as the major religious thought of the times.

And it's there to read in the original language.


I have pretty much debunked the Bible, so here we are. Even so called Biblical Scholars have to agree about the Egyptian influence on modern religion. Every Christian prayer is ended with giving credence to Amun-Re, by saying "Amen."


Actually, Biblical scholars don't agree with this, nor do most Egyptologists. "Amun-re" is not the derivation of "Amen"... it is, in fact a Hebrew word meaning "so be it". Ancient Egyptians did not conclude prayers (we have lots of prayer texts) by saying "amun" or "amun-re". They would end with a sentence that praised the god the prayers were addressed to.

A few examples are at this link. Many more examples can be found. My personal favorite is the prayer to Bast (this prayer would date to the New Kingdom, if I'm reading it right, and therefore is contemporary with the writing of the books of the bible. Notice there's no reference to Amun in it:


Beloved Bast, mistress of happiness and bounty, twin of the Sun God, slay the evil that afflicts our minds as you slay the serpent Apep. With your graceful stealth anticipate the moves of all who perpetrate cruelties and stay their hands against the children of light. Grant us the joy of song and dance, and ever watch over us in the lonely places in which we must walk.


There's a lot of really bad speculation on this topic -- the best idea is to go find people who are translating the original texts and who know the language and refer to that (and you know when a translation is valid by looking at the translation by many different unrelated people who are skilled translators of that language. The texts should be similar.

So look for those to find the truth.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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You've been watching to much zeitguist, and the religious part has obviously deceived you.

All one need's to do is watch the following video to know that Christ is not a copy of Osiris:



You guys give this Osiris dude way to much credit...



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Actually, Biblical scholars don't agree with this, nor do most Egyptologists. "Amun-re" is not the derivation of "Amen"... it is, in fact a Hebrew word meaning "so be it".


Amen is not a Hebrew word. (I checked) Etymologically speaking, the word’s root is Hebrew in origin, with its use spreading to eventually encompass Christianity and Islam.

Amen is found in the Bible, of course, but also found in the Quran, and in Hinduism. Amen is a shared response to liturgical rites and a means of affirming sacred scripture. Beyond Judaism, in the fading mists of early history, the word can be traced to ancient Egypt and a particular line of Pharaohs, that of the Amun or Amen –Hotep lineage, such as, Amun-Re, Egyptian god of the Sun.

Amen –Hotep IV is today known as the heretic king, the most ancient ruler to whom history can attribute another origin, that of Monotheistic belief. (Belief in one God only)

I would this alone is why the word carried on like it did, the one God belief.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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That Christians invented the cross as a holy symbol because Horus was fastened to a pillar?


The cross was originally a Pagan Symbol, and by consequence, the Wiccan Pentacle was once used by Christians.
Christians didn’t use the sign of the cross as their religious symbol for many generations after Christ was crucified. Rather than being a Christian symbol of hope and love, it only had the negative association as an execution apparatus for criminals. The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the cross symbol at least 600 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified.

To me, personally, it means the Sword that was used by Christians to put to death all who opposed them.

Some history on the cross symbol:
The Cross



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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It doesn't matter.

faith is not dependent on proof or evidence. It comes from the heart... the human spirit and as such, is not susceptible to faults.

It survives based on... faith; what we believe now.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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As a Christian I agree with the OP.

We see the "Holy Trinity", which is not taught in the Bible - in Horus, Isis & Osiris from Ancient Egypt.... and many religions across the world have trinities of Gods.

The first Century Christians seperated THEIR beleifs in Jesus and his teachings firmly from Egyptian & Babylonian beleifs.

It was not until the Council of Nicae that teachings were merged.

Much of Christendom's teachings are NOT Christian they are of pagan origin including of course Christmas, Jesus was not born on December 25th - it was the Roman celebration of Saturnalia that was "adopted" into the "Christian" calendar.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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How can you claim to be a Christian and not believe in the Trinity?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Dear RevelationGeneration,

Good question, and I am really stretching to come up with an answer. (And it's not a very good one)

I think it could be done if one believed two things. (1) that either Jesus, the Father, or the Holy Spirit, was the real God and the others were just messengers or images, or something. (Ah, heck. It just dawned on me that if you call yourself a Christian you have to take Jesus as the real God. Then what do you do about the "Our Father?")

(2) You reject the Council of Nicea (325) that proclaimed that the Father and the Son were "consubstantial." (And you'd have to reject all the following councils and teachings that accepted it.)

I suppose rejecting the Trinity might be theoretically possible, but it would take a very strange set of beliefs to get there.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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How can you claim to be a Christian and not believe in the Trinity?


How can anyone believe that three males created everything, including humans? What happened to the Goddess? Oh, yeah, I remember....the Church tried to stamp her out of existence. But, even with the torture/murder of over one million women, Mother Earth still lives, and still provides everything you have. Your food, clothes, wood for your home, stone for your hearth, tar for your roof, water to drink, all of these things came directly from Mother Earth. Why do you claim She does not exist, or call Her vile names?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Who said the Holy Spirit is a male?
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Dear autowrench,

How did we get from the Trinity to the Earth Goddess? Can we finish the Trinity first? I don't think the maleness or femaleness of God really applies here. Those are either attributes we assign, or that we saw in Jesus.

The problem of the Trinity of course, is how to have three and one at the same time. We believe it happens, but we're not sure how. That's not surprising, we haven't even figured out our existence, let alone God's.

I just saw a thread here with an article about how two electrons could be in the same energy state, something that was believed to have been impossible. If two, why not three? Could that be how the Trinity works? Maybe not, but maybe it is a better explanation than what we have so far. (Actually that's not how the Trinity works, because electrons are matter and God isn't, but it may still be a useful picture.)

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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How can you claim to be a Christian and not believe in the Trinity?


Quite easily as discussed in other threads on this topic.

“Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126"

“There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 295"

In HORUS, OSIRIS & ISIS we can see one of the main origins of the Trinity doctrine.

In ISIS and HORUS we see the origins of Mary worship and the sacred child often pictured with a sacred HALO around her head - another direct playback to the worship of the Sun and this continued with so called SAINTS being pictured with "Sun disks" around their heads.

These are NOT Biblical teachings along with many other so called Christian teachings. These matters can be traced back to Babylon & Egypt. Even the Cross is not Christian at all. It is a representation of the God Tamus with the T being adapted as a Cross. The Greek word used to describe the wood that Jesus died on is actually "stauros", which means "STAKE" not Cross.

Spot the difference - The Egyptian Ankh (which represents male & female reproductive organs) and the so called Christian Cross.
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In that image above you can actually see the depiction of the Holy Trinity of Egypt and the 3 sun disks within the Cross or Ankh of Egypt.

Now if we compare that to Cross designs of today, we see the same basic elements of this pagan symbol



The book "The Two Babylons" shows how all the ancient tenets, symbols and beleif structures polluted Christendom. Which then little resembled the simple basic teachings of Jesus and the Apostles in the First Century.

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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There are multiple stories about Osiris in Egypt. You combined them and added some of your own opinions to make your post sound logical.



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