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Jared Loughner still not facing trial. will he ever?

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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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aside from giving him free room and board and free drugs, the state is not doing much in the way of bringing guilt towards him. no, not the state, the fed because i remember hearing that the fed had dibs on him first, great dibs, he won't ever get a trial.

for those who say he is at least locked up, you have to admit, at least to yourself that either its okay for the state to punish ciminals extrajudicially with free room and board or that theres some reason the government does not want a fair trial. The reason is either criminal or incompetence, they have the same effect.

When this story first broke i made a thread titled feds wont release surveillence tape, therefore cover up. there are pages of stored comments from those who tried to reassure me that not everything is a conspiracy, wait until the trial. well geniuses, the trial was supposed to be in september, that was eight months after the shooting, now its december, so will those apologists for the state please explain to me why i shouldnt safely assume the surveillance tape is not as clear cut as they made us believe? the media told us the tape has clear evidence of loughner as the shooter, so how long do they need before they try him?




posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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and for those who say he is not fit for trial, what evidence are you basing this off of other than his smirk in court? You have to admit either no criminal should face trial because every criminal is mentally insane in lieu of their propensity for crime, or that some people are allowed to have softer punishment because they are mentalky insane, but such insanity comes by the way of a smirk, is that it? so someone can commit a crime, and if thry simpky smirk they wont get the death penalty?

and what does it say of the state force dugging him to make him sane? is that even possibl? no. is it moral? no. its idiotic.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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He won't go to trial unless he is mentally and psychologically fit to do so. There have been many in Western countries over the decades who have never seen a real court and trial due to them being "of not sound mind".

Also, did you not see his ATS posts and threads? Those and the fact that he creeped out his classmates at school and went to shoot a Senator and others plus the evaluations they would have conducted in private (obvious reasons) would define that he wasn't fit to serve trial.

Criminally insane I believe they call it.

Unless you're the kind of person who either:

a) doesn't believe that mental illness exists

or

b) wants him out and free to finish the job on Giffords

Just noticed your "drugging him to make him sane" line. Yeah, that's called giving a patient drugs to help calm their illness. Is the British state wrong for giving my grandmother medication to help her depression? Are they wrong for treating me with the same for the same reasons? Because let me tell you, the drugs really do help.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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so according to you it is okay for someone to kill and not get the death penalty because they smirk in court?

Do you think any of his ats posts will be administered in a court of law, if he ever sees one? Also, what is it called in law when someone creeps out their classmates, is this a specific crime or just hearsay on your part?

I'm sorry, are you offended at the blunt truth, medication is a drug, thus the state/fed is drugging him.

To finish off giffords? You have a sick mind, what on earth gave you the idea i was happy with his crime? I am the one who wants a trial, you want him drugged up under a lab review session, seems like you are more okay with his shooting than myself.

Thanks for the comments.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Unless he's going to become the first victim of the NDAA.
All they have to do is consider him a terrorist and they don't ever have to give him a trial and hold him indefinitely.

Regarding the insanity issue, he couldn't be crazier than this guy:
mynorthwest.com...
The man has already stabbed his second court appointed attorney. Funny that he is considered sane enough to be put on trial.

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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Fake.

The whole thing was a staged event.

Look deep into it.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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I don't know.
I'm still thinking he was a programmed MK Ultra assassin like Sirhan Sirhan and others.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Nah, part of a group of actors that do exercises for the gov't. They make up elaborate stories and the conspiracy researchers add a lot of "what ifs" that increase the infamy of the story.
The whole thing wreaked from the start... they don't get it perfect all the time.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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I'm not convinced. I've studied programming and mind control and can see how it could easily be accomplished so these people do whatever it is you want.
Regarding the actors, I've seen the comparison videos and I'm not convinced.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
Unless he's going to become the first victim of the NDAA.
All they have to do is consider him a terrorist and they don't ever have to give him a trial and hold him indefinitely.

Regarding the insanity issue, he couldn't be crazier than this guy:
mynorthwest.com...
The man has already stabbed his second court appointed attorney. Funny that he is considered sane enough to be put on trial.

edit on 19-12-2011 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)


good point, they have the means to indefinitley lock him away, and who would disagree that his actions were terrorism...and yet they don't, very odd. Seems suspicious to me.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by JibbyJedi
 


I'm not convinced. I've studied programming and mind control and can see how it could easily be accomplished so these people do whatever it is you want.
Regarding the actors, I've seen the comparison videos and I'm not convinced.


he did not remember the shooting, textbook example of mkultra

his first mugshot looks like he is on lsd, textbook drug of choice for mkultra

his actions immediately were used to crack down on firearms, textbook problem reaction solution

Classic mkultra to me. Judge roll was the real target, that and the second amenment.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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One thing that convinces me of this is how his parents acted. Usually, MK victims are provided to the program by their parents. The others are throw away kids that nobody would miss. But, these kids are usually used for sexual purposes and often drugged, then they become addicted. Once they are through with these kids, they're so broken and considered to be crazy if they tell anyone anyways. Loughner on the other hand might be locked up indefinitely or transported to another location. This way, they can keep a tight watch on him or use him again. All they have to do is keep everyone's eyes on Gabby and her miraculous recovery.
I do find it strange that we haven't heard whether or not Giffords wants to face her attacker or not.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
aside from giving him free room and board and free drugs, the state is not doing much in the way of bringing guilt towards him. no, not the state, the fed because i remember hearing that the fed had dibs on him first, great dibs, he won't ever get a trial.


Open trials give the public an opportunity to examine evidence for themselves. If something shonky is going on, or if it involves "supernatural" evidence, they will not want the public to know about it.

Take the Martin Bryant case we had here:


Bryant was judged as fit to stand trial, and his trial was scheduled to begin 7 November 1996. Bryant initially pleaded not guilty, but was persuaded by his court-appointed lawyer and the prosecution to plead guilty to all charges.


en.wikipedia.org...

Why would he plead guilty when he had nothing to lose by pleading not guilty (he ended up getting 35 life sentences +1035 years without parole). Did the "court-appointed" defense lawyer represent him, or the prosecution?
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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How can a mental incompetent stand trial?

Trust me JL has been missing some screws since kindergarten..


I don't know OP if he will ever, I understand the mental
card gets thrown around way to much today
but if any criminal has acted in mental incompetence it is
Jarred Loughner.. He really is not ALL THERE..
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm respectfully calling out phishybongwater, evilbat, stormdancer, aggieman, resurectio, mikenice, and all the others, please reclarify or restate your position. It made sense weeks after the incident to be patient and wait for trial, but now that the trial has been delayed for months, i want all the apologists to defend their comments they made many months ago. Why should the surveillance tape still not be shown, considering the trial has still not happened. How many more months or years must we wait?



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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They like to soften up their prisoners with a long stay in the hole. Only when Loughner sees the error of his ways and is eager to plead guilty will he be allowed in court.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Jarad Loughner (like Anders Brevik) is a faked persona with no real existence.
Both characters were developed (very badly) as contrived paper-villains for use in
these specifically designed faked/staged events.


Oslo Fakery
Tucson Fakery Psy-op

Who benefits from these faked events?

It's ALL BS.

Loughner is not real - no video or pictures - and the
whole joke is revealed at 1.45min by the sketch artists
attitude. What a joke!


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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Assassins very rarely make it to trial. They "commit suicide" in prison, or they're shot by a "patriot" who claims to want glory. The old Jack Ruby gambit. Then the "patriot" dies, and the loose ends are tied up. Dead men tell no tales. Tales like "Well, I was told by these men in black suits that it was in the best interests of America if I shot that person, after they drugged me for several days and mindraped their agenda into me".



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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From Youtube Comments:


The Youtube videos are fake and were not even made by Jared Loughner. He was never booked into Pima County Jail, thus there is not a booking photo. All the mugshots are pointless and not even evidence in the case, they are photoshopped even. The crimescene was missing the shell caszings and blood. The picture of Giffords rushing on the gourney to the helicopter does not have blood on the gauze, the rear of her head exposed on a white pillow. Not one picture of Giffords but stories of miracles. Witnesses saw two suspects in the shooting, who is the second? Loughner got a ticket driving before the crime, but took a taxi? There are many conflicting stories about the magazines. The case is secret and withheld from the public.

The pictures released of Loughner are obviously different people and even the eyecolor does not match. There was an instant political agenda, staged confusion to avoid crime details that were never released to the public. Loughner is a jewish mein-kampf fan, that likes wizard of Oz on his YT page, but his Facebook and Myspace pages were deleted so the police and government could script his persona for the cattle. His lawyer is McVeighs lawyer and Janet Napolitano and Holder were on the prosecuting attorney team. Arizona, Napolitano land. Oklahoma City was covered up by Napolitano and Holder. This is all an inside connected job, by one group of old terrorist players. Giffords was not even shot, she will get fake plastic surgery and run for a higher office. All a fake puppet political game.

Obama's assasination of Judge Roll was thrown in to be whitewashed by the Giffords recovery miracle that is all story, with no evidence of anything to the public but stories. Loughner is a story more than a suspect, the charges of the judge Roll assasination this was really all about were dropped by Holder, to protect Obama's assasination order, personally. Criminals have taken over our once great country, the Giffords shooting used to attack the US Constitution by the global socialists trying to destroy America to steal all your wealth. LOughner is fake, and this case has been a trumped up show from the first report. All one big psychological media spun lie, for a purpose. Loughner is innocent until proven guilty, where are the interviews, pictures, and video of him coming and going from court. This whole thing is surreal, not how court cases or the justice system typically works. His court appearances are all like the Times Square patsy that did not do the Bloomberg attack on New York. Trumped up secret trials and inhuman scripted stooges, that is Obama justice. Secret trials are for socialist dictatorships.


People are slowly starting to cotton on to all the BS.

This is the tip of the iceberg. Think 9/11, 7/7, Norway etc. etc.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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I'd like to think that, but they're not. No more than any other generation. The people that matter, the ones with power, and money, and backing, have all the reason in the world to support their side. The proletariat will not see this on the mass media. They will not find out, and even if in a decade or two this winds up leaked, it'll only be words on a piece of paper by then.



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