Originally posted by demented
reply to post by Wookiep
To begin with his idea of non-intervention is not realistic. We can't allow countries like Iran and N. Korea to obtain nukes or other weapons of mass
destruction. Pulling out of the U.N. is again not realistic, what do you want Russia and China to run the show? Should I continue?
There you go, at least dialogue can be established now without the trolling.
Also, thank you for using "non-intervention" instead of "isolation"
like the media likes to do. Now, on to your points...
Here's the deal, many Americans are waking up to reality that we are beyond
broke. Ron Paul understands this reality very well. We do not have
the funds to get into yet another war. We can't even afford to keep our own country a float. Israel is the reason Iran continues it's rhetoric and
Israel (if so threatened) can by all means take care of this "threat", they have proven this time and time again. They took care of the potential
nuclear site in Syria, there is no reason they can't take care of Iran's. Israel has a very good military that equals the U.S. military. Paul isn't
against Israel's right to defend themselves, in fact, the Israeli govt is quoted saying they do *not* require our help, nor are they asking for it.
(there is a recent video of this right here on ATS)
Iran is not a threat to the U.S. like the media would like us to think. If they are a threat to anyone it's Israel, and THAT is questionable as well.
Israel has 300+ nukes. Iran MIGHT have 1 nuke, while multiple countries surrounding Iran have nukes too and LOTS of them. While Iran might have 1
nuke, they would be idiots to use their one and only nuke they MIGHT have to bomb Israel as they would be blown off the face of this Earth by Israel
within hours. Not only that, but Iran is most definitely NOT capable of sending a missile to our shores. They do not have long range missile
technology required to fire a nuclear warhead anywhere even remotely near the U.S. In fact, we aren't even sure they could realistically do this to
Israel even IF indeed they do have a nuke.
Now, why should Americans spend our tax dollars (that we don't have yet the FED keeps printing it like it's candy or something) and get our men and
women killed over something we have no clear evidence of (the IAEA report is NOT evidence of a nuke regardless of what the MSM wants to say), AND
something we are not directly threatened by in any capacity on our shores. It's ludicrous! The real "nuts" are the ones calling for this action over
and over on Fox news etc, getting Christian support because somehow killing people, without evidence and without public support and without a clear
threat to the U.S. is somehow the new Christian fad! I've said this many times, but I'm repeating it since you are new. Christians are being very
mis-represented by this trap the MSM seems to have put them in.
If you look back at the Iraq war and try to keep a level head, you will see the warning signs that are happening right now in the media, just as it
happened with Iraq. There were no WMD's but they promised us for years we would would find them, we never did. The only thing we got out of the Iraq
war (Bush Jrs) was 150k+ dead Iraqis, 5k dead U.S. men and women and some oil. Our country was not protected, but if anything we are even more hated
because of it. This is what Ron Paul is saying, and it's called blow-back, and it's very real. If there is anything to be scared of at all, it's
blow-back and we cause it every time we go running mindlessly into wars that we have no business fighting in.
Edit: Oh yeah, Russia, China? Neither one supports us going to war with Iran. So...chances of WWIII exist even more if we do decide to bomb Iran
because neither of those countries would want to allow it, especially Russia.
edit on 19-12-2011 by Wookiep because: (no reason