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The NYPD lied.

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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by snowcrash911
 


If a bunch of policemen were to start a football team, would you call it a police organization


Yes.




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
His name is Chris Mohr and he is planning to get the dust tested by an independent lab for thermite.


My research suggests the thermite story is a deliberate blind alley. Chris may have the best possible intentions or he may be looking for debunker cult status. If I'm correct he's simply wasting time. He may find the best source for samples is the 40 acres of physical evidence on the Fresh Kills Landfill. Tread carefully, the majority of the missing human remains are mixed with building materials and contents all less than 1/4 inch across and were bulldozed over the rest of the debris, contrary to what the families were told was going to happen. Once the fines had been separated the families were told they would be moved to an appropriate grave site. wtcfamiliesforproperburial.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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reply to post by snowcrash911
 


To about the rest of the world: no



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by snowcrash911
 


To about the rest of the world: no


You don't speak for the rest of the world.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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reply to post by Kester
 


You have not made clear what exactly is stopping you (or anyone else in the truth movement) from organizing such an investigation. You only said that it is not your responsibility. I am sure you are familiar with the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". I think that applies here.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911

It's an association of firefighters founded for an activist purpose. Just one that rubs you the wrong way. Think of them what you may, they are an association and they do have firefighters who signed their petition.

Of course, given the sensitivity of firefighters and 9/11, this causes some to break out in a hissy fit.

I've seen no such indignation over the treatment of the 9/11 first responders, though, who were left to die due to the United States' "anti-socialist" health care non-program. Rep. Peter King... a fine example of a true American patriot.


Can you please list the FDNY members that belong to this 9/11 Truther Group?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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True, just for the group who does not like to twist definitions in order to forward their agenda.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma
[Can you please list the FDNY members that belong to this 9/11 Truther Group?


Fallacy: Moving the goalposts

The discussion was whether or not there were firefighters in this association. Now you are shifting your demand.

Sorry, but no dice. If you want to browse through the entire list of petition signers, be my guest. There are some FDNY in there, active, retired, as well family members of FDNY deceased on 9/11. If you can't use a browser and a search function, or if you want to play dumb to itch your sorry "debunker" scratch, too bad.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
True, just for the group who does not like to twist definitions in order to forward their agenda.


False. You do not speak for the rest of the world, period.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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FF4911truth not firefighters and not an association... Desperate, peevish, straw-grasping pseudoskepticism at its finest.


(And I'm not even defending "CD")
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by snowcrash911


The discussion was whether or not there were firefighters in this association. Now you are shifting your demand.



I made no such demand. I was simply asking if there were any firefighters that were at ground zero on 9/11 that are in this group. As my search concluded....there are none. (unless you include the Jersey firefighter that was covering calls for the FDNY but was no where near GZ on 9/11)




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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Funny, I think it is desperate to talk about a firefighters organization in a futile attempt to appeal to authority. It is a truthers organization. Period.
edit on 22-12-2011 by -PLB- because: wrong word



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma
I made no such demand. I was simply asking


Semantics. Playing dumb.


Originally posted by Six Sigma
if there were any firefighters that were at ground zero on 9/11 that are in this group.


That's not what you asked. You are again changing your initial demand.


Originally posted by Six Sigma
As my search concluded....there are none. (unless you include the Jersey firefighter that was covered calls for the FDNY but was no where near GZ on 9/11)


More moving of the goalposts.

First it was firefighters, then it was FDNY, now it's FDNY at Ground Zero on 9/11.

How about you add some additional constraints, such as FDNY members who were at Ground Zero on 9/11 and whose last name starts with an "X"?

You'll get your coveted 0 result if you really want to, debunker.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
Funny, I think it is desperate to talk about a firefighters association in a futile attempt to appeal to authority.


Actually no, I'm merely pointing out your semantic fail. I don't care about "authority", after ten years of bungling nonsense from all sides.


Originally posted by -PLB-
It is a truthers organization. Period.


It's a firefighter association for truthers. Period.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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The discussion started because someone quoted some truther and claimed the quote was from a "firefighters association". This was a lie. Firefighters for truth is not a firefighters association. Calling it that was a practise to decieve the reader into believing that some association of professional firefighters had consider the situation and publish a response. This was not the case and I'm sure the poster was well aware of the situation.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Sure, you don't care about the context it was used in, just the exact meaning of the words. Why doesn't that surprise me. Ironically you are accusing others of semantic fail.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by snowcrash911
 


Sure, you don't care about the context it was used in, just the exact meaning of the words. Why doesn't that surprise me. Ironically you are accusing others of semantic fail.


If you were to argue the context you have a point.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by Kester
 


You have not made clear what exactly is stopping you (or anyone else in the truth movement) from organizing such an investigation. You only said that it is not your responsibility. I am sure you are familiar with the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". I think that applies here.


The following is a post I made on page 11. Is it the post you are referring to? It would help the readers if you would make it clear which post you are referencing.

"I'm at a loss as to how the T shirt salesmen euphemistically referred to as the 'Truth Movement' could have any responsibility for testing WTC evidence for explosive residue. The pied pipers of the 'Truth Movement' are leading their flock on a merry dance through meadows and fields. Testing the debris on the Fresh Kills Landfill will be the end of debate and the beginning of justice, bringing us all back to boring reality."

I think it's clear from these words that my opinion of the 'Truth Movement' probably won't get me invited out to lunch with a certain well known architect. It should also be clear from this that you are either a very sloppy reader or deliberately avoiding a constructive debate.

I'm an independent investigator who has survived two attempted assassinations, both motivated by my 9/11 awareness raising publicity stunts which were carefully aimed at influential figures. I don't wear the T shirts, watch the DVDs, read the books or listen to the cult leaders. My research has led me to the conclusion that reinforced concrete infill panels were built into the towers during construction. The fact that this has been so well hidden could be an indication that these panels were a major part of the destructive process.

In my opinion the digging up of the evidence on the Fresh Kills Landfill should be done with the oversight of wtcfamiliesforproperburial and the protection of patriotic Americans with military experience. The testing should then be done by independent labs worldwide. I hope this clears up any confusion you may be experiencing on this issue.
Thank you.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Kester
I'm an independent investigator who has survived two attempted assassinations, both motivated by my 9/11 awareness raising publicity stunts which were carefully aimed at influential figures.


Surely this was reported in the news?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by septic
they planted the dust


LOL.

This is one for the ages. Please explain.


Should be obvious.

Contents like this can't turn to dust, and there was not enough concrete and gypsum to account for the immediate and gigantic dust cloud, so what can account for it?




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