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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by macman
Nah, I'll visit thanks very much. I'm pretty unique amongst my country men, I like America.
Sure do hope you don't offend anyone, cause we sure a trigger happy and all.
Seriously, is that what people outside the US get from our 2nd Amendment right?
That we just draw guns at any drop of the hat?
To be honest, yeah it is exaggerated, like that biker story I just posted. People like that stuff, and hey then we have the movies.
I don't think most people believe that America is the land of the trigger happy, it's just that when I look around me and try to imagine guns being more readily available here, it's a scary thought.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by 46ACE
Look mate,
I really can't be arsed with this tit for tat ping pong we are playing.
I've had this arguement so many times over the years that I really do know there is very little mileage in it.
I really don't know why you got so stroppy in the first place.
I understand and appreciate your right to bear arms.
And it's your right to stand up for it.
But it's not right for everyone and we in the UK do not want any relaxation of our gun laws.
And just as you resent non-Americans moralising to you, we resent Americans posting on UK and European issues and stating that all of our faults are due to our lack of right to bear arms.
For all the similarities between our societies and cultures there are also some massive differences.
And for the record I'm no US hating, bashing pinko liberal.....neither am I an Uncle Sam loving kiss arse Conservative.....I simply try to call things as I see them.
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by AGWskeptic
Hahahah, I'm not telling.
That brings another question to mind, if you are a US citizen who has a license to, and does regularly, carry a firearm, like yourself, how do you feel when you come and visit a country where guns are illegal??
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by AGWskeptic
Hahahah, I'm not telling.
That brings another question to mind, if you are a US citizen who has a license to, and does regularly, carry a firearm, like yourself, how do you feel when you come and visit a country where guns are illegal??
Originally posted by theovermensch
Textshould be said that as socialists we are opposed to a situation where only the capitalist state has guns. We are not in favor of disarming working people. However, the issues of what types of guns should be available, what type of safety measures and gun education should be implemented are issues that should be rationally and democratically decided by the people.
Socialists are always sensible.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The "line" exists naturally as expense regulates ownership and use.
Announce today that nukes are available to all off the shelf and Walmart and you will see none sold as people do not have millions burning holes in their pockets.
If the government can bear it you should be able to too. Good luck affording it.
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Originally posted by Submarines
The second ammendment:
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Everyone seems to leave out the first part.A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,,
This part states the reason that we were given the right to bear arms. IMO, there has been far too much interpretation to the 2nd ammendment. Independent interpretation has taken a simple sentence and created a monster. I think if the Founding Fathers new that we would have small weapons that can cause mass destruction, this ammendment would have been written differently. On the other hand, maybe the Founding Fathers gave us way too much credit, and figured that we would be smart enough to read the entire ammendment as it was written.
Originally posted by Submarines
The second ammendment:
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Everyone seems to leave out the first part.A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,,
This part states the reason that we were given the right to bear arms. IMO, there has been far too much interpretation to the 2nd ammendment. Independent interpretation has taken a simple sentence and created a monster. I think if the Founding Fathers new that we would have small weapons that can cause mass destruction, this ammendment would have been written differently. On the other hand, maybe the Founding Fathers gave us way too much credit, and figured that we would be smart enough to read the entire ammendment as it was written.
Originally posted by browsey
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by browsey
I am not an extremist in any way, albeit anti nor pro gun legislation in the US, however i have come to the beliefs that with the US having such a high weapons murder rate opposed to any other country and the ease that follows to be able to own a firearm, as the amendment is so vague in its wording, it does not say may own a sword, a gun, an explosive or any form of weaponry available, it merely states bear arms.
The US is 5th on the list of firearm related deaths. After such countries as, South Africa (1), Columbia (2), Thailand (3), Guatemala (4). Yes those countries have much higher deaths from firearms, but the US only has 15.2% of it's deaths from guns. 7.07% are homicides. Compare this with the homicide statistics : 4.8 people killed per 100,000 population and really it is a small number that gets capped...compared to population.
*Facepalm*
Please do not use wikipedia as your source for collecting statistics, and also check the year, and if possible when giving facts, statistics etc (As i have not done) please give us the link as for all we know that is mere speculation.
Watch Bowling for Columbine if you have not seen it, if for nothing more than the homicide gun crime rates in the US, being dramatically more.
So we have also concluded that yes explosives (I.e cannons) are allowed, but again WHERE is the line drawn? surely it should be as clear cut as possible? Too much it so say that it is ridiculous that certain weapons can be readily available if you have the funds, shouldnt the whole point of being "equal" (For this instance just for arms' sake) everyone should just be given every weapon that is readily available from bombs to nukes o that nobody has the upper hand and nobody uses them right? No? Well the common answer would be "Oh there too many nutters out there.." well if you can understand that with bombs and nuclear/chemical warfare, relative to the damage they cause, look at the thousands that die to gun crime because they are just 'readily available', i hate the fact that in the US you NEED a gun to be 'safe' and on par with everyone else.
Personally i would not ever live in America, i have visited it, i like the place but due to the ridiculous gun laws, i can't feel the need to feel safe and call a place home that is extremely dangerous, im sorry id much rather live with your friends up north or down south (Canada and South Americas).