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Kim Jong-il Has Died

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Translating "Homefront" to the real world... What would you do

The basis of the game of homefront...


Now to see how this alters the world... with him in charge will he proceed how?




posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Umm. I hate to sound harsh, but I really don't care as long as the people of North Korea are free from starvation/tyranny/war/nuclear power/etc...


You know whats awesome?!

The freedom of speech and the freedom of expression that grants you the ability to think for your self!

Something Kim Jong-Il did not allow!

So Star for you for expressing that you dont care, cos its your right

A right Kim would have killed to suppress!



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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The OP did the right thing in changing the title .
It prevents the creation on 100 other threads .

This was the first thread on the topice reguarding the announcment so why have 100 other threads now ?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by pikypiky
Umm. I hate to sound harsh, but I really don't care as long as the people of North Korea are free from starvation/tyranny/war/nuclear power/etc...


What about us in the rest of the world?

I hate to sound harsh, but the truth is that our media has pushed that propaganda line you just posted for decades so consistently that almost everyone believes it, when in reality it's not exactly factual.

Our media will gladly point out the injustice, starvation, tyranny, etc about places like North Korea in order to keep the people in fear and control their thoughts and actions, but will fail to point out that we are far more guilty of these same actions than those we condemn.

Go read my entire thread here at ATS from last week. Pay close attention to my rants at the end of page one and read the facts and figures I posted on page two.

North Korea is far from the worst nation on Earth, in fact there are a hundred nations that are far worse off in terms of tyranny, starvation, poverty, literacy, health, etc.

What nations has North Korea invaded in the last few decades? What nations have WE invaded in the last few decades? The facts speak for themselves, but the media won't report them. If you actually look up the facts you will see that we have been lied to.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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CNN: www.cnn.com...

Dead of heart attack...yep yep.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Maybee the will be allowed to live in Kijŏng-dong city now.

propaganda city



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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North Korea is still high on that list. I have met plenty of people that have fled NK and served on the 38th Parrallel so don't try to make it out as it's a nice place.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Interesting development. Well... Another interesting page in this saga turns. What will the new leader do? Very interesting times.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
GOOD F'N RIDDANCE!!!!

Millions have perished under his rule, the guy was a complete lunatic and in my opinion, the biggest threat to national and international security. He was the real threat to world peace.

Just too bad his son is taking over...this will either be good and provide some change to North Korean society or he'll just continue the nightmare.


Don't say that, the pro-terror sympathisers will be on your ass with insults like they were when Bin Laden died.

Unexpected news but while it's welcome for many reasons, in a way it's also somewhat tragic knowing how despite his regime being lunatics who could nuke us all to oblivion, Jong-Il himself had become a comedy figure recently thansk to that awesome Team America: World Police movie.

At least he appreciated the arts too, enough to write his own operas and such and have plays staged a lot in his compound.

Can't say whether Kim Jong-Un will be as "safe" as his father in terms of threatening but not carrying those threats out.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by EvolEric

You know whats awesome?!

The freedom of speech and the freedom of expression that grants you the ability to think for your self!

Something Kim Jong-Il did not allow!

So Star for you for expressing that you dont care, cos its your right

A right Kim would have killed to suppress!


You have been misled by decades of propaganda.

The Truth is that North Korea is a Republic with a Constitution.

The Constitution clearly suggests that the people of North Korea have the right to Free Speech, and it is only suppressed through upholding other laws that state that subversion is illegal.

They are not typically executed for it either typically, they are instead detained and held in custody and 're-educated'.

Of course it is somewhat tyrannical, but at the same time you have been led to believe something totally untrue and can only point to a few examples of such action whereas the vast majority of incidents do not reflect this assumption.
edit on 18-12-2011 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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What a statement it would make if the successor immediately came out and said that NK would dismantle there nuclear weapons, leave the 38 parallel, release all imprizoned in work camps, and work with the international community. In return north korea would get food to its people, power plants and trade.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Can anyone answer why the United States decided to send a huge supply of food aid to North Korea on the same day that Kim Jong died... Coincidence?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Yes, Kim Jong Il is dead. But he was only the figure head of the North Korean goverment, all of the nasty people are behind the scenes, so nothing will change.

Until they say who is going to succeed him, it's all bad. At least they are not nuclear!

South Korea and Japan going on full military alert is not good for the region at this time at any rate.


edit on 18-12-2011 by Cambion because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by pikypiky
Umm. I hate to sound harsh, but I really don't care as long as the people of North Korea are free from starvation/tyranny/war/nuclear power/etc...


What about us in the rest of the world?

I hate to sound harsh, but the truth is that our media has pushed that propaganda line you just posted for decades so consistently that almost everyone believes it, when in reality it's not exactly factual.

Our media will gladly point out the injustice, starvation, tyranny, etc about places like North Korea in order to keep the people in fear and control their thoughts and actions, but will fail to point out that we are far more guilty of these same actions than those we condemn.

Go read my entire thread here at ATS from last week. Pay close attention to my rants at the end of page one and read the facts and figures I posted on page two.

North Korea is far from the worst nation on Earth, in fact there are a hundred nations that are far worse off in terms of tyranny, starvation, poverty, literacy, health, etc.

What nations has North Korea invaded in the last few decades? What nations have WE invaded in the last few decades? The facts speak for themselves, but the media won't report them. If you actually look up the facts you will see that we have been lied to.


Yet the one fact you and other overlook is that the US doesn't murder millions of its own citizens for wanting freedom, for daring to speak against the leaders, for trying to escape the border into another country as a desperate bid for freedom like North Korea, Iraq under Saddam Hussein's regime and others.

Try telling the people of Burma that they have it good compared to the American people, see how far that gets you.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by pikypiky
Umm. I hate to sound harsh, but I really don't care as long as the people of North Korea are free from starvation/tyranny/war/nuclear power/etc...


What nations has North Korea invaded in the last few decades? What nations have WE invaded in the last few decades? The facts speak for themselves, but the media won't report them. If you actually look up the facts you will see that we have been lied to.


You have the choice to join the military and invade other countries. In NK it's a decision made to survive.

You cannot confuse the outward acts of other nations where poverty and starvation are far lower to the action of a regime like that of NK. The people of the capital there might not be having it too rough on the face of it, but it's a large country, where malnutrition is on an epic scale.

I fully support the idea that we are lied to on a daily basis, and that people in all western nations fall for the propaganda of their own perfect leaders. But this does not change the fact that the NK people have suffered, do suffer and will suffer tremendously under the dictatorship of their leaders.

You don't need the propaganda of the west to know this, you just need to hear the stories of the hundreds of people who risk their own lives every year in an attempt to escape that country. They are not fictional people, they are not paid to tarnish opinion of their NK overlords, they are real, and they speak of immense suffering and poverty across the country, with thousands disappearing every year for daring to speak out against anything.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Cambion
Until they say who is going to succeed him, it's all bad. At least they are not nuclear!


Spoiler alert.....

They said last year or so that Kim Jong-Un would replace him in future and even had a massive parade which was reported on across the globe.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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CNN is reporting live that Kim Jong Un is the heir apparent. He is Kim Jong Il's youngest son, the equivalent of a 4-star general in the N. Korean military, and hand-picked by Il himself. I seriously doubt there will be much change in N. Korea's status, other than a possibly more sinister threat. Say what you will about Kim Jong Il, he has maintained a shaky but effective peace with S. Korea.

S. Korea is now on military alert. It is completely possible that one wrong move could stoke the flames of war into resurgence between the two. In their culture, absolute respect is demanded for the fallen leader. Any show of disrespect, overt or inferred, could have dire consequences. In that same vein, Obama himself had better think through his words very carefully; any perceived insult would be disastrous to relations right now. We are just starting to get some shaky relations going. So far, again according to live TV, the only peep from the White House has been an acknowledgment that Il is apparently dead and that Obama has been informed. I would have thought he could wake up long enough to read a quick statement, but then again maybe it's better off that he waits. Better to remain silent and have Korea think he's a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

I have heard a couple of speakers who are concerned about S. Korea possibly taking this opportunity to attack N. Korea... I seriously hope that idea is confined to the American continent.

I for one will be watching the news carefully the next few days.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by curious7

Originally posted by Cambion
Until they say who is going to succeed him, it's all bad. At least they are not nuclear!


Spoiler alert.....

They said last year or so that Kim Jong-Un would replace him in future and even had a massive parade which was reported on across the globe.


I think that parade was simply the opportunity used to introduce KJU to the NK people, I don't think there was any official statement that he would succeed him. It was what our news took it to mean, along with the report that KJI was likely to die pretty soon

That's how I understood it anyway.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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That means nothing, it took Kim Jong il 3 years to consolidate his power when his father died and actually become know to the world.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by TheMur
What a statement it would make if the successor immediately came out and said that NK would dismantle there nuclear weapons, leave the 38 parallel, release all imprizoned in work camps, and work with the international community. In return north korea would get food to its people, power plants and trade.


More mislead beliefs. It's endless the amount of corrections that would be necessary because virtually everyone believes these half-truths about North Korea.

The truth is that starvation is no where near as big a problem in North Korea as you are led to believe. Almost all of Africa starves far more than those within NK. Nations like Haiti or the Philippines are far worse off, and they are essentially under our jurisdiction by default.

You believe that NK imprisons people within work camps, and that is also only half of the truth. Due to international sanctions, they end up creating the majority of their own products and industry. We in the USA condemn the practice of sending factory jobs overseas and imprisoning people in nations like Malaysia, China, or Indonesia in similar "work camps" to make cheap products for us, but now we are hypocrites because we detest the Koreans for not having this problem within their society.

The 38th parallel is their national border, but who is it that is also on this line? The international community who has no real business there in the first place, that's who. Who are the real imperialists? Ask yourself.

Why would North Korea give up it's practice of self-reliance and solidarity in exchange for globalist exploitation?



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