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Why Ron Paul makes me nervous

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by diatribe
Unfortunately 95% of what he would like to do will not happen, because of the current members of congress. He will prevent the Fed from taking additional liberties from us.


Yeah, that's the worst of it all. Even by some miracle he becomes Prez, what power will he really have when everyone is against him?




posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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As stated by many here, RP is not about no regulations, but he has shown a pattern of not voting for additional regulations. He may stir things up, if elected, but I don't think he has the ability even as President, to overturn past laws and regulations. I do think we need someone that will stir things up, such as auditing the fed, practicing a more non-interventioist foreign policy, creating a more stateshood atmosphere, and strongly protecting our borders. Just with these movements, there will be great change, and hopefully a positive national attitude that will promote a growth of economy.

As for the book The Jungle, it showed the reasons for unions. I f business were to go back to such severe work environments as in that book's era, people would most likely go back to a strong union work place again.

History does repeat itself.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
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As they have a huge affect on the economy and the health and wages of people, yes I do.

I care little about his foreign policy and crap when the removal of those regulations could end up with us being poisoned here in the U.S. even more than we already are.

Why in God's name should I care about anything else when I see the very easy potential for the U.S. to be taken back to a reality that resembles that book?


Book? You still talking about the Jungle Book? I don't even know what that means. I remember watching Disney's Jungle Book as a kid
Talking bears are awesome!



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Of Course Liberals like yourself are Nervous about Ron Paul , and you Should Be . Your Days are Numbered in Influencing Goverment Policy in this Country to the Detriment of All Constitutionalists Americans who Believe in Privacy, Selfsufficientcy, and a Smaller Goverment that will lead to Real Freedom for it's Citizens . Don't worry though , if Ron Paul does become our Next President , the " Nanny State " will Die a Quick Death without too much Suffering I would think.........



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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So Ron Paul would be okay with areas of the country with Segregation and others with Sharia Law and still others that are owned and run by corporations?

Would he be okay with letting the poor die due lack of ability for healthcare while wealthier individuals are given world class care?

Would he be okay with areas being turned into toxic waste dumps and others being pristine for those who are able to afford such?

Would he be okay with American workers exploited for pennies on the dollar without any regulations to offer some bit of protection for their safety?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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A few things to keep in mind:

1. Ron Paul is not for the elimination of government regulation or laws. He is for the elimination of bloated and self serving regulatory bodies which do not assist and in many ways hamper both the states and people at the expense of only the people.

2. Ron Paul believes in a true capitalistic marketplace which is a self regulating system to appease the demands of the people not the government or special interest groups.

3. Everyone should remember that as an adult, you should be responsible for your own well being and safety. It used to be like that for americans and we were truly free. Sometimes people infringed on those freedoms and the law took care of them and served as an example to dissuade others from doing the same. Now people act like we need to be told to buckle up or not to smoke cigarettes or not to jay-walk or not to litter or not to whatever. Where did personal responsibility go to in this country?

Why do adults need to be told by the FEDERAL government that they cannot drink whole milk if they want to; why can't you grow food and exchange it with your neighbors?

These are the very signs of a system gone wild; Bureaucrats trying to justify their budget increases to get more money. By the way, how many government police agencies to we have within the USA now? BATFE; FBI, DEA. EPA. Homeland Security, NSA, USDA, ICE, DO Commerce, DO Energy, DO Health and Human Services, Urban Development, DO Labor, DO Transportation.

Most of these are newer organizations popping up to make life better and safer for us. so, do you feel safer than before? Do you feel more secure in your jobs? Is the environment better? Are you able to feel like you can do what you want on your property when you want as long as you don't disturb others; or, are you getting more nervous about what they are going to 'regulate' for your safety next?

We are supposed to be a country of Laws, not what we have become, which is a country of code enforcement and penalties. Wake up folks and claim your freedoms back before they are all taken away.

Thank is what I believe Dr. Paul would like to say each time he takes the stage.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Okay so I don't watch the news. I don't keep up with politics. But honestly people. Don't they keep making you the same promises? Lower regulations is "NOT" a good thing. What should be done is have regulations that are honest. But will that happen? No. We have been brain washed by so many systems and so many government facilities and what has it taught us? Obviously not much. But I suppose most of us were taught that the government would and will take care of us. Our own parents urged us the government takes care of us. Well... some of our parents did I am sure. "SOME" I should not have said all parents. But regardless the fact remains that at one time when I was in high school I brought up to the teacher in history class when we were going over the Great Depression era that it looked like we were having some of the same small issues with our economy as they did in that era. This was back in 2005 I believe and at the time if my memory is correct banks were showing signs of collapse ect. He said with a look of concern on his face "I hope not. No I don't think we are." Well look where we are now? I was right... we are heading there and it wont stop. Lord.... quit thinking these politicians are gonna do right because I hate to say it. What happened with Obama? What happened with Bush? They have obstacles, and most people don't agree with their views and what they say and do.... and when they do agree with their views and what they say and do they take these to the extremes and things become worse. Honestly..... all I will leave ya'll with is with what I have shared and spoken to ya'll about in this post so ya'll can make up ya'lls own minds on the issue and subject. I will also leave ya'll with this song which I think fits this post that I have written perfectly.

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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What are you going on about? My first paragraph involved saying that the U.S. is obviously over-regulated. I don't think it's "liberal" to want less regulation...

On the other hand, I don't think it's sane to want a complete and utter eradication of all of them.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Of Course Liberals like yourself are Nervous about Ron Paul , and you Should Be . Your Days are Numbered in Influencing Goverment Policy in this Country to the Detriment of All Constitutionalists Americans who Believe in Privacy, Selfsufficientcy, and a Smaller Goverment that will lead to Real Freedom for it's Citizens . Don't worry though , if Ron Paul does become our Next President , the " Nanny State " will Die a Quick Death without too much Suffering I would think.........


Rather dull of you to assume that someone that questions RP is a liberal. I personally voted for RP in the primaries last run, and then voted for Obama in the presidential election. Do you know what party I align myself with because of this information?

Well, if I had to choose, I'd say liberatarian, but that could change from year to year depending on who is running. The only way to keep growing and learning is to not Assume.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Your question is what force will regulate corporations if the government is removed, and the answer is the consumers. You misunderstand the free market when you say we will have no choice, because only in a strict government is there a monopoly of government and thus no choice.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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All very valid concerns. Some of which is why I can only meet half way with the man's stance on things. He is consistent and a stand up leader but I feel some things even over a slow process leaves to much to go wrong.

However, he is still the best candidate to date in my opinion. I am on the fence still but many just like you and I have concerns that are similar. Just do some research on all of the issues that you have and see where Ron Paul stands on it and if there are more pros than cons then that may help you understand and choose.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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So it's up to me to magically know if the things that companies are putting into my food to make them stay fresh longer are poison? I'm supposed to magically know that the plant down the river is pumping tons of lead into it?

No human being can function completely alone. No human being can totally look out for themselves 100% of the time. You're delusional if you think you can.

Why is it so horrible that I want a reasonable amount of help in keeping dangerous substances out of my food, air, and water? It's the logical, sane choice that I get some help in things like that because no man is an island and I'm not omniscient.

Yes, the entities overstep their bounds all the time. But that could be undone by simply loosening restrictions and reducing their power.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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The free market won't regulate them, and consumers won't be able to do so.

The other side of the true free market coin is that corruption goes unchecked. The corruption that keeps the little guy down, that keeps the bigger businesses and oligarchies in control, that allows businesses to fleece consumers at will? If there's no regulation at all, that will be able to spread like wildfire.

Pardon me if I'm suspicious of the unfettered markets paradise story. I've seen what that's like in the history books, and it looks like a really quick way to turn into a third-world country.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
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So it's up to me to magically know if the things that companies are putting into my food to make them stay fresh longer are poison? I'm supposed to magically know that the plant down the river is pumping tons of lead into it?



No, however you do not know now either and with the federal government agency that actually asks the manufacturers for the investigative material to determine if it is safe, you will never know. Do you think that the FDA somehow makes your food safer?! They trade people and jobs back and forth with people in the private sector for favors. The system is corrupt and needs to change. When you take the financial incentive away from the federal regulators, a better system will take place. I.e. private companies to do these jobs that are regulated by federal laws.

think aspartame ....



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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I don't know that these govt entities are really protecting you all that well right now. The big money controls what is given to them to approve and what is given to them to investigate (usually a smaller company that is in the way of the bigger fish).

Just look at Aspartame. It's poison, it is. It was not approved initally for food consumption and continually denied approval for some 5-10 years, then Rumsfeld steps in as CEO, and magically it's approved.

Just one example, there are thousands more no doubt.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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You didn't adress his points at all. All you said was free market yada yada. The free market is dod eat dog it isn't the answere to everything.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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I would hope the states would take on the necessary regulations to keep the state popular.

We have some great state sponsored medical coverage in Oklahoma, so I know that necessity works at the state level.

Oklahoma is working on expanding green energy.

I'm all for ending the oil and drug wars.

Ron Paul just might work.

This is what I think of when I think about Ron Paul.

I'd prefer a socialist utopia, but if Ron Paul is all I can get...
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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His philosophy is that the free market will regulate itself. As the competition increases, naturally the quality of the product/service will go up, and the prices will go down.

On the issue of financial institutions, well he wants to end the Fed and back our money with gold. Plus if they try to mess around and end up going bankrupt, they're not going to get bailed out by him!


Hell I don't even know if the things they were doing to cause the collapse would work under a gold-backed currency, but to be fair I don't know a ton about economics.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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The only Republican I could possibly vote for is Ron Paul I cannot stand the rest of the candidates. The problem is Ron Paul's isolationist views. The biggest problem he faces is his stance with Iran. I cannot in good faith vote for a man that would knowingly allow them to obtain a nuclear weapon.

I am glad he is willing to use diplomacy first and even stress diplomacy, I think that's great. For myself though I need to know he is willing to use force if necessary. I didn't hear him say that in the debate. He never answered that question with a straight answer.

I don't really care what Bachmann's views are because they don't matter she is not going to be the nominee. I wouldn't vote for her if she was. The real issue is how he answered that question and it wasn't the response I wanted to hear or needed to hear.

Ron Paul is a long shot for getting the nominee in the first place and answers like he gave are not helping. I will be watching and listening to what he has to say and the coming months I hope he can give a clear message on the subject soon. For me though if the message is that he will do nothing to stop their nuclear program then he does not have my vote.



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