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Christianity, is it child emotional abuse?

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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There seems to be a group of self-proclaimed "Christians" on ATS who POINTEDLY REFUSE to look at modern study among theologians, historians, scholars, researchers, and other spiritual leaders. When offered outside sources and reference materials, they say "I don't need to read ancient writings". No, they scoff and sneer and roll their eyes and laugh out loud when proven facts and well-researched documents or sources are offered up.


I don't scoff and sneer....or roll my eyes.. why would you make something so hateful up?

I merely pray for you.. and may discuss why I don't choose to follow writings such as these.

perhaps you are putting your actions onto me?..i don't know..but please tell me how you know i scoff and sneer and roll my eyes.. because it is simply not true.




[sarcasm] Oh well, if there weren't people like that who believe their church leaders blindly, just think of all the ordained clergy who would find themselves unemployed! And if it weren't for all of us sinners, those blind followers would have no one to ridicule! Oh my! Oh noez! If everyone was "saved" and "perfect" and would just LISTEN AND BELIEVE, well, then, there wouldn't be any cause to abuse others....children AND adults


I am not ridiculing anyone wildtimes.. and I have said repeatedly you have the right to believe as you wish.. please allow me that right without ridicule.




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

??? A child who maliciously hurts another..needs to understand the severity of its actions. ... ..


SERIOUSLY!!!
"understand the severity of ITS actions"

Do you not realize a CHILD is a PERSON, NOT an IT?

Do you realize that is the same sort of De-humanizing that is used to train military troops for combat??



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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HI Wildtimes
And thanks..that would be nice to have a friend on here
I'm gonna step from this for awhile though and just relax for a bit. I'll be back later though. Keep the porch light on hehe.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

??? A child who maliciously hurts another..needs to understand the severity of its actions. ... ..


SERIOUSLY!!!
"understand the severity of ITS actions"

Do you not realize a CHILD is a PERSON, NOT an IT?

Do you realize that is the same sort of De-humanizing that is used to train military troops for combat??


Of course I do.. I used it to cover both genders. Wow.. talk about taking it out of context.


Starting to feel the love from the non christians again..



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

I don't scoff and sneer....or roll my eyes.. why would you make something so hateful up?



OOOOOK , did you know there is this other person, with your EXACT logon and pic, that posts on this site?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by vogon42


Do you realize that is the same sort of De-humanizing that is used to train military troops for combat??


Of course I do.. I used it to cover both genders. Wow.. talk about taking it out of context.


Starting to feel the love from the non christians again..


Its exactly that de-humanizing that leads down the path to abuse.
edit on 28-12-2011 by vogon42 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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I don't scoff and sneer....or roll my eyes.. why would you make something so hateful up?

WHAT?!


THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU, GABBY.

Go back and look at your OWN POSTS, the ones you can't EDIT, and you will see more eye-rolling and lolz and ridicule than you'd care to count. It's simple. You know how to follow us all around, do you know how to look at "my posts"?

There you go again, calling me a liar, and hateful. Go back and LOOK TO THINE OWN SELF, sister. And if you have seriously blocked out the cruel and scoffing hatefulness that you spew all over this board, you really, really need more help than the Bible can EVER give to you because for all you "belief" and "prayer", you are failing. Going around telling people (which you have also told ME) "you should be grateful that I (or whomever) is praying for you" and then turning around and denying your own actions and calling them hateful liars......wow.

Gigantic

BIBLE-THUMPING

FAIL




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Christian wouldn't steal my purse or someones Nikes...its actually more insidious than that. They go for the big guns..they want a grab at peoples eternal souls. Its very hard to get across the point "no."


There are many times where I have felt that others don't get my "no".. and have been ridiculed for not seeing things their way..so I can relate.

The fact of the matter is.. no one can grab your soul.. and if you honestly don't want anything to do with what they believe.. you have that choice.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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please tell me how you know i scoff and sneer and roll my eyes.. because it is simply not true.


Because I read your posts! In fact, I have read EVERY ONE OF THEM!! And it is favorite technique of yours when you are failing to win your circular, asinine arguments.

AND

NO the mods are not inserting eyerolls and lols


so don't EVEN try to blame them or some special connection to them.

Good God.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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There you go again, calling me a liar, and hateful. Go back and LOOK TO THINE OWN SELF, sister. And if you have seriously blocked out the cruel and scoffing hatefulness that you spew all over this board, you really, really need more help than the Bible can EVER give to you because for all you "belief" and "prayer", you are failing. Going around telling people (which you have also told ME) "you should be grateful that I (or whomever) is praying for you" and then turning around and denying your own actions and calling them hateful liars......wow.


I have never ever said you should be grateful for my prayers..and any eye rolling icons I have used have been at the accusations and perceptions you throw around.. not at the books you want me to read.
A quote from one of your posts wildtimes..below




Use caution when hearing any words of shame spoken to you. You are a worthy soul, on a personal journey to the Divine truth. It is no man's business to tell you that you are a failure.


You are the one who tells people that everyone is divine.. and no one..NO ONE should accept being called a failure....yet you can say these words to me..quoted below..




There you go again, calling me a liar, and hateful. Go back and LOOK TO THINE OWN SELF, sister. And if you have seriously blocked out the cruel and scoffing hatefulness that you spew all over this board, you really, really need more help than the Bible can EVER give to you because for all you "belief" and "prayer", you are failing.


It makes me sad to read such angry words.. and such judgement.. I have not spewed hatred all over this board..though I admit I have said unkind things I regret ..while hurting.. and hurting for others that were being talked about cruelly.

I have also apologized ..and meant it..and I'm sorry you see me as such a failure.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Good God.


I don't think gabby will understand the "good god" thing in the context you present it. I also doubt she would understand OMG. Perhaps one should respond to her with OYG?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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please tell me how you know i scoff and sneer and roll my eyes.. because it is simply not true.


Because I read your posts! In fact, I have read EVERY ONE OF THEM!! And it is favorite technique of yours when you are failing to win your circular, asinine arguments.

AND

NO the mods are not inserting eyerolls and lols


so don't EVEN try to blame them or some special connection to them.

Good God.


Have you read every one of yours?..over again..?

Choose love wildtimes.. choose love.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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It makes me sad to read such angry words.. and such judgement.. I have not spewed hatred all over this board..though I admit I have said unkind things I regret ..while hurting.. and hurting for others that were being talked about cruelly.

I have also apologized ..and meant it..and I'm sorry you see me as such a failure.


Apologizing, REAL apologizing, is a commitment to practice NOT DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN.

Yeah, you apologize. And the next day you're back at it...ridiculing, shaming, being "saddened", accusing others of judgment and lying, while denying your own actions....refusing to hear them or to consider them respectfully...all in the name of "Jesus" (who was a Buddhist, by the way)

Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary



You don't need to watch the whole thing, I'm afraid you'll pass out or have an apoplectic fit if you do....but in the last ten minutes of this video they show some pretty revealing evidence that he not only was not "resurrected", but was buried while still alive, recovered from the near-death experience, and was naturally thought to have been "brought back" from the dead. He then went BACK to Kashmir and lived until 80 AD. The tomb is there, above ground, with symbolism that represents the crucifixion.




Gabby, HOW MANY PEOPLE have to point these things out to you before you start to think "hmmm. maybe I'm unaware that I really AM representing myself as something less than I claim to be AS WELL AS ridiculing and scoffing and labeling others as hateful judgmental liars." ??? How many?

How many replies to your repetitive bashing of others do you have to read? How many stars given to those posts when they have called you out? WHEN will you get it?

You admit you have said "unkind things"...do you ever admit that you DENY doing things that ANYONE can look up to confirm? That you BLAME the mods or other members for YOUR inability (or refusal) to read properly or to comprehend what others are saying?


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edit on 28-12-2011 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

??? A child who maliciously hurts another..needs to understand the severity of its actions. ... ..


SERIOUSLY!!!
"understand the severity of ITS actions"

Do you not realize a CHILD is a PERSON, NOT an IT?

Do you realize that is the same sort of De-humanizing that is used to train military troops for combat??


Of course I do.. I used it to cover both genders. Wow.. talk about taking it out of context.


Starting to feel the love from the non christians again..


gabby, along with abusers there are also enablers (might want to look that up).
Do you realize what sort of a dark path you may be on right now?
Please take some time and think about it..
edit on 28-12-2011 by vogon42 because: typo



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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I have made some mistakes wildtimes.. but I am not the hateful person you say or think I am...

I have apologized... and so have you..

Because you have apologized for the hateful things you have said about me.. does that make it ok to continue..?

Jesus may have had some philosophies comparable to Buddhism but they are not Buddhist.. they are Christian...coming from His father.

I don't want to argue with you wildtimes.. I sincerely want to love you.. through the love of the Holy Spirit.. and I will continue to pray for you..in love.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Obviously I'm not the only one that has had run-ins with Gabby and/or Colbe. Wildtimes you said it so perfectly..the problem is the circular thinking. I've said that same thing myself.

But moving on..the ones I feel sorriest for are the kids. The idea that any church would have its members believe that children "are born with a penchant for sin." I'm having a super hard swallowing that. Its simply not true. They're young children..they are taking their first steps in learning how to be in the world. Its sooo much for them to take in. We're all adults. We've had years and years to learn the rules of this society. So a child steals a cookie..its not the end of the world. You say, "you shouldn't do that (and then let it go). You won't be hungry come dinner. Wait till we eat." Its wrong to think a child is always waiting for the next opportunity to sin. They haven't formed that concept yet. They won't understand that for years yet. The child wants a cookie..a cookie looks really good --they're being honest if anything. They only need to learn to ask for one or to wait till after a meal. Easy enough to tell them.

And certainly not a reason to beat a child.

I'm convinced prospective parents ought to take a test first. I know people aren't born being parents and used to learn along the way. But that is at the childs expense. Thats who gets lost.

Nuns and priests have never been parents. They should stay out of it entirely.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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gabby, along with abusers there are also enablers (might want to look that up). Do you realize what sort of a dark path you may be on right now? Please take some time and think about it..


Care to explain this dark path?..please ..I am interested to see what you are referring to..



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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I'm convinced prospective parents ought to take a test first. I know people aren't born being parents and used to learn along the way. But that is at the childs expense. Thats who gets lost.


?? You really think a child needs no discipline..and correction? ..and I DO NOT mean hitting.

Take a look at some episodes of supernanny ..and see what happens to children when certain issues are not dealt with.

We're not talking about a child taking a cookie from the cookie jar here.. we are talking about some serious attitude.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
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gabby, along with abusers there are also enablers (might want to look that up). Do you realize what sort of a dark path you may be on right now? Please take some time and think about it..


Care to explain this dark path?..please ..I am interested to see what you are referring to..



Its referring to the fact that your (somewhat blind) beliefs could cause you to be an enabler to a child abuser.

example - one of your earlier statements


.... and it implied that we needed to teach children the degree of their sinfulness....

Thats some scary stuff, have you though about how others (that are being enabled) could perhaps interpret that?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
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I'm convinced prospective parents ought to take a test first. I know people aren't born being parents and used to learn along the way. But that is at the childs expense. Thats who gets lost.


?? You really think a child needs no discipline..and correction? ..and I DO NOT mean hitting.

Take a look at some episodes of supernanny ..and see what happens to children when certain issues are not dealt with.

We're not talking about a child taking a cookie from the cookie jar here.. we are talking about some serious attitude.



I think a child needs guidance. I wouldn't use the words discipline or correction...sounds like they are in prison or something..I guess in some households thats what it amounts to though.

Put the cookies up where they can't reach them in the first place.

What serious attitude are you referring to? Can you be more descriptive?



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