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Christians do not need to tell the world about Jesus

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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One thing I saw a couple years ago confused me, I saw Christians on the streets pull me over and say that I needed to tell people on earth about Jesus so that they can be saved in order to save myself.

I have read the new testament from start to finish and these type of Christians are more like apostles than they are Christians. The only thing a Christian needs to do is learn from Christ, that is an individual thing, a learning process. I am not saying that a person cannot be saved by Jesus, but I am saying that you as a stranger speaking to them about him will probably have a small effect unless you are very smart and powerful.

I know why they say, it's because they learn from the world, not Jesus. The world has taught them what they need to do, and they do it thinking it is Christ. That's what happens when you put all your faith in the church when the church has been changed and manipulated by the world for 2,000 years.

Only 7% of communication consists of words. In my study I have read the bible from a modern and realistic point of view, and I am sure that Jesus doesn't have me concerned with preaching his word. I am a student in Christ and I learn before I talk, I will show you not in my words but in my soul.




posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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If you never heard of Christ, what He did and what he stands for how would you know someone like Christ existed. You may or not believe the message but you would have to hear his name to know what he stands for. I am not talking about religion which alone is a great aggravating factor of life on earth - I am talking about the King of Peace.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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But you have made a post about him anyway
jk
I wish Christians wouldn't talk to me/make posts etc about Jesus because a whole lot of us know who he is but either don't believe in him or can get our morals from elsewhere.
A question do Christians get brownie points in heaven for ramming "Jesus" down our necks? or get a special seat next to Jesus if they mange to convert someone?
I had a group of 7 Jesus freaks at my door at 9am this morning so I told them I follow Satan because at least he is a champion of free thought, wow you should of seen their faces as I slammed my door shut


But good on you OP for not being one of these people

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.

You see this is the kind of statement which turns people against Christianity, people threatening us non believers with Hell.....
Iam a good person and if there is a Heaven and Hell Iam sure God will let me in because of what I have done in my life not what man made Church I follow.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
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If you never heard of Christ, what He did and what he stands for how would you know someone like Christ existed. You may or not believe the message but you would have to hear his name to know what he stands for. I am not talking about religion which alone is a great aggravating factor of life on earth - I am talking about the King of Peace.


I am talking about religion, it's based on spirituality which is something we don't know for sure, so no I do not know for sure, my post is based on my ideas and opinions.

The message of Christ is not to preach to the world, that was the work of the apostles and they did a very good job. The message of Christ is to get to know "the Father."
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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How should we learn from Christ if he was around 2000 years ago and didn't come back since then.You make no sense.

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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i agree with the OP. People should stop spreading Jesus' name. Not good for my reputation...

SnF for the OP. Do come to hell if you need anything, won't stab u in d back, promise :devilsmile:



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.


Thanks for the input.

It's the individual I think we are supposed to love, Jesus was specific on not to love the things in the world, love God first learning to love yourself enough to send the real love out into the world for individuals. I added the communication % in the post because loving someone is not approaching them and teaching them about Jesus. They will see Christ and it may not be in the form of words, then if they ask or if it is brought up of course it will be told. But I think it makes sense that those who are selling Jesus suggesting people are going to hell unless they preach are working for the church and not the real deal.

I certainly believe in getting people interested by the way I live. I believe in stepping out in the world and showing them my talents and expressions, trying to connect with all of them.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74

Originally posted by 547000
Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.

You see this is the kind of statement which turns people against Christianity, people threatening us non believers with Hell.....
Iam a good person and if there is a Heaven and Hell Iam sure God will let me in because of what I have done in my life not what man made Church I follow.


Heaven and Hell are astral machines which use the souls of those who go there as fuel, the power these engines generate is used to keep the Matrix in place and to empower TCOTBIP.

learn and master astral projection so you don't get caught asleep after death.



THEY ARE ALL IN IT FOR THE MONEY.

They've ALL become millionaires while "serving the Lord". The articles about the Yahonnan land scandals were not written by me, but rather by others who are local to that area.

You need to send the url of the article you are quoting from because 99% of the time, the words being quoted to me are those of SOMEONE else, as is the case with your second quote below. Just because you read a quote from another author within the body of an article that I write, does not mean that I endorse, agree with, or ascribe to every word written by that author. I only take responsibility for MY words and feel no obligation to defend the words of others.

When I wrote that I didn't have time to investigate Yahonnan, I meant that I didn't have time to investigate his shenanigans beyond what I had already posted from 6 or 7 articles, written by others, which did expose Yahonnan as a self serving, con artist.

I'm opposed to the very concept of evangelism. I should have added it to the article I posted yesterday about the wrong-headed beliefs espoused among Christian fundamentalists.

educate-yourself.org...

Imagine how incensed American Bible Belt Christian fundamentalists would react if Muslims or Buddhists, or Hindi "preachers" came knocking on their door and got into their face about being "saved" in the same way that Christian fundamentalists have set up shop among other cultures and in other lands.

Christian fundamentalists would be FURIOUS and their reaction would be swift and severe to any who would DARE attempt to dissuade them from their self righteous Biblical assumptions and preacher-inspired beliefs. but self anointed, "servant of God" Christian fundamentalist hypocrites actually have the nerve to declare that it's their "duty" and "responsibility" to "bring the salvation of the Lord" to other people, in other cultures, because "the Lord" told them to to it, blah, blah, blah, when the real "mission" is to gather more power, gain greater influence, and expand their financial empires.
educate-yourself.org...



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Christ said there are only 2 commandments:

1. Love God with all your heart.

2. Love your brother as yourself.

If this were put into action and not just talked the talk by following everything written EXCEPT those 2 edicts... there would be PEACE in the world.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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This is answered in these verses:


1 Corinthians 12

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


The charge to action is listed at the end of Mark:


15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”


All of this is symbolism and not literal. Each of the symbols are archetypes of how a spirit transitions from state to state. The witness of the Christian is an influence by actions and not merely words. The key to this is found in understanding baptism.

Baptism is immersion of the spirit into the water of the body. Jesus said, "you must be born again." If we choose to develop toward righteousness, we are offered rebirth. If we choose to sink to the pit by our actions, no baptism is offered. Consider these verses in Matthew. Who was denied baptism?


Matthew 3

" 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”


We must be baptized by trails before we can come out of the fire as refined by God. Life is the refiners crucible. The fire is the consuming fire from the flaming sword that cuts away our pride. We must allow God the chance to build our faith. Apart from a faith developed by the shepherding of God's Spirit, there is no work in us toward righteousness. Time is limited. A final judgment comes if we fail to refine our faith to a face to face meeting with God in love. Union comes from love. John 3 holds the key to this.

Those who wait in faith will find salvation come:


Hebrews 9

27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74

Originally posted by 547000
Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.

You see this is the kind of statement which turns people against Christianity, people threatening us non believers with Hell.....
Iam a good person and if there is a Heaven and Hell Iam sure God will let me in because of what I have done in my life not what man made Church I follow.


You'd be very fortunate if you do. God has higher standards than men do. What people call good is simply not up to par with what God looks for. That's part of the reason why the prophets were stoned, I believe. Most people are like "who the hell are you to tell us to be more righteous?" and "we're good the way we are."

So if you go to heaven based on works alone without faith you must be righteous indeed.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by OrNaM3nT
How should we learn from Christ if he was around 2000 years ago and didn't come back since then.You make no sense.

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The bible, hello?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by SuperiorEd
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The charge to action is listed at the end of Mark:


15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”


All of this is symbolism and not literal. Each of the symbols are archetypes of how a spirit transitions from state to state. The witness of the Christian is an influence by actions and not merely words. The key to this is found in understanding baptism.

Baptism is immersion of the spirit into the water of the body. Jesus said, "you must be born again." If we choose to develop toward righteousness, we are offered rebirth. If we choose to sink to the pit by our actions, no baptism is offered. Consider these verses in Matthew. Who was denied baptism?


Great post. In this world great people have a way of being remembered. It is not just by coincidence that there are now Christian churches throughout the world, but Jesus knew it was important to encourage the apostles to do these actions in order for his own life and word can be fulfilled. Again, are you an apostle, or are you a Christian?


The term apostle is derived from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (pron.:"apóstolos"), meaning "one who is sent away"


We are not sent away by Christ, we are sent in Christ.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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A Christian should lead by example. If their example is not good enough to incite curiosity from the uninitiated, they are doing it wrong.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo
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A Christian should lead by example. If their example is not good enough to incite curiosity from the uninitiated, they are doing it wrong.


I agree with you. To be in the presence of truth requires humility to proceed our movement. There are four rules that anyone should follow, especially the Christian.

1) Remove Bias and Ambition

Bias builds ground for the other person to stand against our thoughts, words and deeds. Speaking only from a platform of truth allows both to stand on equal ground. The one who removes bias always takes the higher ground away from the other. Ambition is the easiest reward to take from others. Giving is the opposite of taking. Our ambition should only be the edification of others by our thoughts, words and deeds.

2) Remove Desire for Self and replace it with Loving-kindness to Others

Desire can only elevate the self over others in pride. Humility broadens self to an awareness of the equal needs of others. If awareness can be expanded, a new sense of wakefulness is experienced. Equanimity is required for this to happen. We must live by the intellect and not the emotions. One will always rule the other.

3) Choose Suffering over Reward

Taking reward causes a debt that must be paid. Giving can only suffer work for others. Everyone benefits when we suffer for true reward. Suffering is always the virtuous path in life.

4) Never Wound with the Tongue

Before a person can be in the presence of truth, emotion must be tamed with intellect. All words are spoken as a reflection of our own inward nature. We either master our words or they master us.

If a person can master these four rules, the hidden mysteries of the world are laid bare. The bridge between the literal wilderness and the spiritual path of truth is crossed at the threshold of our moral choices. When we reach the other side, we realize that we are incapable of conquering this world alone. Only Christ offers the final victory. We place our trust and faith in God by claiming this victory as a freely given gift. Christ suffered for our ultimate reward.

Humbly Seeking the Good



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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by greyer
One thing I saw a couple years ago confused me, I saw Christians on the streets pull me over and say that I needed to tell people on earth about Jesus so that they can be saved in order to save myself.

I have read the new testament from start to finish and these type of Christians are more like apostles than they are Christians. The only thing a Christian needs to do is learn from Christ, that is an individual thing, a learning process. I am not saying that a person cannot be saved by Jesus, but I am saying that you as a stranger speaking to them about him will probably have a small effect unless you are very smart and powerful.

I know why they say, it's because they learn from the world, not Jesus. The world has taught them what they need to do, and they do it thinking it is Christ. That's what happens when you put all your faith in the church when the church has been changed and manipulated by the world for 2,000 years.

Only 7% of communication consists of words. In my study I have read the bible from a modern and realistic point of view, and I am sure that Jesus doesn't have me concerned with preaching his word. I am a student in Christ and I learn before I talk, I will show you not in my words but in my soul.


I don't know what bible you read but the one i read Jesus explicitly commanded the apostles to go out and preach the good news and they said we all should do this as well. If no one preached the word of Christ then no one would know of him today and christianity would have fell into obscurity.

You can spend your entire life making excuses why you shouldn't do as Christ commanded and everyone of them will be a lie. Jesus may or may not have wanted a religion to be born from his teachings but i suspect he did. The Israelites are still very much his people today as they were back then and he himself was a practising jew, and judaism is a religion. Its hard for you to make the arguement he didn't want christianity to turn into a religion when he himself was in a religion.

Now don't get me wrong i agree with you to a certain point but do not think that christianity is christendom because it is not. Christianity was created for all men to have a personal relationship with God but it was also created to be a belief system and to be practised as a belief system which is what religion is. Christendom is the Roman Catholic Church and Christ never commisioned the church to go out and gain wordly power or wordly wealth or to rule over nations or to murder people if they refuse Christ. The medievel church has done alot of evil in the name of the holy one and they will pay the price on judgement day. Christianity has two mandates from Christ, to spread the word of the good news of salvation and to keep his commandments.

As it stands you should want to preach the message of his salvation. That message is a reason for all people to rejoice for we have a savior we can believe in. Being a servant of Christ doen't end with just believing he exists and he is the Son of God, that is just the beginning of the road. As i read the book of Acts and Romans in my bible study group i learn that just talking the talk isn't good enough, you have to walk the walk. All talk and no action doesn't make you a servant of Christ. I imagine theres a whole lot of people who think theyre christians and that they will go to heaven becasue theyre member of a church or go to church or sit on the front pew. The doctrine of "God helps those who help themselves" is a lie and nowhere in the bible.

You have alot of good bullet points, i just wanted to share a few more with you so that others know it doesn't end there.
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74

Originally posted by 547000
Fair point. But not sharing Jesus is just irresponsible. At the very least get people interested by the way you live. Someone might end up roasting in hell forever.

You see this is the kind of statement which turns people against Christianity, people threatening us non believers with Hell.....
Iam a good person and if there is a Heaven and Hell Iam sure God will let me in because of what I have done in my life not what man made Church I follow.


He preaches the truth. You can stop up your ears and say "lalalalalala, i am not listening" all you want and it will not change the fact that he is right.

This is no threat from us, but it comes from the Master. You can be a good person all you want, on your own power you still end up in eternal darkness. Jesus is the only chance you got to avoid that fate. Does it not behoove you to accept the lifeline he provides? Youre drowning in the sea, and he is throwing you a line free of charge and at no cost to you for you have nothing he could ever want except your love.

Will you do as the jews did and reject him and spit on him and treat him like a criminal? He who saw you thousands of years in the future, his creation he loved so much to sacrifice his mortal shell so that you could be with him in the light for all eternity?

No one is saying you have to go to church or sing his praises, if you truly knew and believed in what he had done for you, you would want to fall on your face and worship him and give him all your love because he alone deserved it. You can search your entire life and you will never find a greater love than his, for no one else would die for you, but he did. Don't turn him away, he would not turn you away. With him you will never be alone, ever.
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
This is no threat from us, but it comes from the Master. You can be a good person all you want, on your own power you still end up in eternal darkness. Jesus is the only chance you got to avoid that fate. Does it not behoove you to accept the lifeline he provides? Youre drowning in the sea, and he is throwing you a line free of charge and at no cost to you for you have nothing he could ever want except your love.


Your words are partially true my friend. Jesus did throw the world a life line. He taught what must be done to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. You cannot get there anyway other than by doing what he said. This is why he said repeatedly, if you love me do as I command, if you love me love the least of these my brethren, if you loved me feed my lambs, if you love me pick up your cross and follow me.

The world must do what Christ said to do for his teachings to heal this broken world.

It is nice to preach, but preaching does nothing if you are not doing what you preach.

When you have given all your money to the poor and picked up your cross to walk in Christ's shoes, then you can minister to others about needing to believe in Jesus. Until then, you too are a disbeliever, and equally forgiven for your doubt.

You either believe Jesus and thus do what he says, or you do not.

With Love,

Your Brother
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