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NASA SP-368 : The Search for Magic Mountain

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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Unfortunately, a number of NASA publications suffer from poor graphics choices or bad editing. There are egregious mistakes in photo captions, cut-and-paste errors, etc. Surprisingly, there is considerably less quality control than you would expect for such a prestigious organization.




posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Interestingly, SP-368 contains an official account of Michael Collins, Apollo 11 CMP, who had failed to disclose to NASA medical doctors certain physical ailments (dysbarism, ie, the bends) that he experienced on his earlier Gemini 10 mission.

WE ALL KNOW that Michael Collins' failure to report this serious medical condition to a NASA doctor needlessly endangered his fellow crew members. His actions seriously could have jeopardized the success of the mission and it was undoubtedly a grevious violation of military and NASA medical disclosure rules.


One interesting medical event that occurred on this flight was reported by the Command
Module Pilot in his account of the Apollo Program. _ He revealed that he had experienced
dysbarism (bends) on his first space flight (Gemini 10) as well as on his second
(Apollo 11). He described symptoms involving the left knee as a sharp, throbbing ache
which gradually worsened and leveled off at a moderate, but very uncomfortable level of
pain. The symptomatology was less painful on Apollo 11 than it had been on Gemini 10.
Unfortunately this information was not made available to the medical team during either
the Gemini or Apollo Programs.
Source Page 73 of the pdf www.hq.nasa.gov...


Symptoms of decompression illness may include:

Chest pain, Chest pain when taking a breath, Difficulty breathing, Difficulty walking, Joint pains , Muscle aches
Loss of consciousness, Seizures, Skin bruising, Rash, Difficulty speaking, Sudden numbness in one arm or leg:
Arm numbness (unilateral) ,Leg numbness (unilateral), Arm and leg numbness (unilateral) , Sudden weakness in one arm or leg: Arm weakness (unilateral), Leg weakness (unilateral), Arm and leg weakness (unilateral)



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Collins didn't disclose his full medical history because he feared (rightly) that he would be knocked off the flight.


Amassing medical information was difficult for numerous technological reasons, and
was further compounded by certain attitudinal issues. Some astronauts were reluctant to
admit physiological difficulties for various reasons, some purely pragmatic. In military
aviation, the field from which the vast majority of astronauts were selected, the flight
surgeon is required to keep close watch over pilots and to disqualify them when they are unfit for flight. The psychological set of the astronauts may have caused them to fear exclusion from the program for medical reasons. Source page 567 of the pdf www.hq.nasa.gov...



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:37 AM
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SP-368 is such a rich target for analysis that I'm surprised that it doesn't get the attention here that it deserves. SP-368, Biomedical Results of APOLLO was not actually produced by NASA. The book was contracted out to BioTechnology, Inc and was "computed" under NASA contract NASW-2630.





Are you starting to get the picture?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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I think then that the next question is Who is Vita West?

Do you have any leads on that DJW001? How about you Illustronic? Saint Exupery? Chadwickus? Anyone?

What about you Violence? Occom's Razor doesn't mean jack if you can't tell me who Vita West is. Can you?

ngchunter and SavedOne are no content trolls. They have posted to this thread but failed to add any worthwhile content.


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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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I think then that the next question is Who is Vita West?


I don't know and I don't care. Thirty six years ago she worked at Bio-Technology, Inc. It's a very small consulting firm located in Falls Church, Virginia. Here's their phone number: 703-534-8200. Why don't you phone them and ask them yourself?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Apparently Vita R. West authored several aerospace related papers on the decompression effects on the human condition for clients involved in such, for instance; decompression sickness. and 'U.S. naval aerospace physiologist's manual'. As well as co-authoring the two volumes of 'Bioastronautics data book' with James Fletcher Parker.

Studies like this are what lead to the design of flight suits for jets developed in the 70's like the F-16 that were capable of creating g-forces that would render the pilots unconscious if it were not for pressurized leg inflation and the reclined posture of the F-16 pilot seat.

I'm sure it's all probably fabricated 'mythology', as you say. Or would you like to turn 8 g's in an F-16 to find out yourself? Maybe perform a roll going 920 mph at sea level in one, it's likely the only jet today capable of such.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
ngchunter and SavedOne are no content trolls. They have posted to this thread but failed to add any worthwhile content.

Excuse me? Explain to me what the difference is between a NASA cover that shows clear editing mistakes in the appearance of ISS and a NASA cover that shows clear editing mistakes in the appearance of the moon. What is the substantive difference there? How about addressing my post instead of name-calling?
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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The book was contracted out to BioTechnology, Inc and was "computed" under NASA contract NASW-2630.

The word is compiled



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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It's funny that you would mention decompression sickness. We know that Michael Collins had 2 occurrences of "the bends", one on Gemini 10 and another time on Apollo 11. As it clearly stated in SP-368 he didn't actually reveal this condition to the flight surgeons.

Collins should have been medically disqualified from Apollo in 1968. His serious health problems added unnecessary risks to any mission.

Back in 1963,

At the start of June of that year, NASA once again called for astronaut applications. Collins went through the same process as with his first applications, though he did not take the psychiatric evaluation. He was at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas on October 14 when Deke Slayton called and asked if he was still interested in becoming an astronaut. Source en.wikipedia.org...(astronaut)


Collins skipped his initial psych eval.


During 1968, Collins noticed that his legs were not working as they should, first during handball games, then as he walked down stairs, his knee would almost give way. His left leg also had unusual sensations when in hot and cold water. Reluctantly he sought medical advice and the diagnosis was a cervical disc herniation, requiring two vertebrae to be fused together. The surgery was performed at the USAF Wilford Hall Hospital at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas and he spent three months in a neck brace. Source en.wikipedia.org...(astronaut)


It is clear that Michael Collins was a "special case" and he was waltzed through the astronaut qualification process by Deke Slayton. He probably could have gone blind in one eye and they'd still let him fly.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 


The book was contracted out to BioTechnology, Inc and was "computed" under NASA contract NASW-2630.

The word is compiled


Nope, it says "Computed by BioTechnology, Inc." here:
history.nasa.gov...

Whether it is "compiled" or "computed" the conclusion remains entirely the same. The contents of SP-368 were farmed out to BioTechnology, Inc. in '74 or '75 under contract.

This gives NASA the plausible deniability it needs with regard to the veracity of the contents in SP-368. If any faults are found within the data, if the data appears speculative or too good to be true, if the data appears to be edited or corrected in some way, if the tables are not labelled correctly, if the cover picture is a botched mess, if anything goes wrong... NASA can always blame the contractor.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Your theory:
I'd like to hear it.


It's called "artistic license." Whoever created the cover of the report just added in additional black space in the form of a hill to balance out the image. They could hardly imagine that decades later someone would actually accuse them of some kind of cover-up as a result.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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No.
"Computed by" makes no sense. It is an OCR error.

If you would bother to look at the report you would see that each section was authored by various authors, most of whom are NASA scientists. The book was compiled by Bio Technology, Inc. The material was reviewed before it was submitted for compilation.

The material submitted for "Biomedical Results of Apollo" was reviewed by a NASA Editorial Review Board consisting of :

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...


com·pile
   [kuhm-pahyl] Show IPA
verb (used with object), -piled, -pil·ing.
1. to put together (documents, selections, or other materials) in one book or work.
2. to make (a book, writing, or the like) of materials from various sources: to compile an anthology of plays; to compile a graph showing changes in profit.

dictionary.reference.com...


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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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My theory is that the graphic designer who worked on the cover accidentally dropped a cigarette butt on this almost finished proof, stained it, and he had no time to make another one before the deadline. It was more expedient to shade the damaged area of the cover and cover up the spot.

IMHO that makes a lot more sense that the nonsensical OP.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Nope, it says "Computed by BioTechnology, Inc." here:
history.nasa.gov...




lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

Elsewhere, you have claimed to have read the entire report. You are rejecting all 600+ pages based on a sloppy cover on the consumer edition of the book, and what appears to be a typo due to bad printing on the second page. The actual contents of the report have been used as a standard reference by space medical specialists and engineers for nearly half a century and not one of them has ever questioned the data. Is that the best you can do?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by Illustronic
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I design cover graphics also.


That girl student is obviously NOT on board the ISS. Conclusion, I'm a liar.

It's worse than that; ISS does not have blue solar panels (or radiators, and the lighting angle is impossible given the glare from the sun at the top left corner). ISS must be a hoax!


Thanks for that. I had designs of real orbital images of the ISS, but the team wanted the completed ISS on the cover, which images were not quite available then, Its an image of a 3D model from the NASA site, and the earth image is one I always liked, but for the design I flopped it, and stretched the space above to fill the bleed. I downloaded that model to build myself, its in about 30 pieces and would have required a whole weekend to assemble in a 3D program. I looking for the source of that image and can't find it, nobody mentioned the color of the panels, though I think the light is possible. Also the proposal manager was a, well, designs are usually a compromise of desired content and aesthetics which eventually get muddled and as mentioned, last minute change requests.

Cover designers are a deceptive lot of folks, you know what they say about judging a book by its cover...
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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One of the photos was altered by NASA and we need to know why.


No, one of the photos was altered by someone at GPO. You have their e-mail address, ask them why.


Thanks for putting up the scan.

I wonder, would you happen to know the photo id of the image on the cover you posted please?

Thanks?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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The actual contents of the report have been used as a standard reference by space medical specialists and engineers for nearly half a century and not one of them has ever questioned the data.


What kind of scientist or engineer doesn't question data? Answer, a bad one. By the way - who elected you to speak for all the scientists and engineers for 50 years?

Can't you argue the point here without subjecting us to obnoxious logical fallacies? Your APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is exactly what I'm talking about. And you know it.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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I wonder, would you happen to know the photo id of the image on the cover you posted please?


I'll take your lack of a reply, as indication you don't know.

(thought you knew everything, but hey ho)



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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The number is A15/AS15-86 and you can click it to be directed to the photo.



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