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Merry Freaking Christmas. What to expect for ONE night in the hospital when you don't have health i

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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Yes I don't mind paying a couple of pence per £ to help the sick/old etc and not just because Iam gonna need to use the service (NHS) in my lifetime. In fact I dont think you would find anyone from the UK who doesn't mind paying some tax to support the NHS.
Why are you so against it? I just don't understand your mentality, anyone can get sick and have to stop work because of it, what is so wrong about having everyone pay a little bit so everyone gets a decent healthcare system ?like I said before its like you only care about yourselves.
Your system is broken and the US healthcare system is among the least efficient and effective in the western world while ours is one of the best.
www.guardian.co.uk...

"No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means" ~ Nye Bevan, architect of the National Health Service
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by macman
 

Yes I don't mind paying a couple of pence per £ to help the sick/old etc and not just because Iam gonna need to use the service (NHS) in my lifetime. In fact I dont think you would find anyone from the UK who doesn't mind paying some tax to support the NHS.
Why are you so against it? I just don't understand your mentality, anyone can get sick and have to stop work because of it, what is so wrong about having everyone pay a little bit so everyone gets a decent healthcare system ?like I said before its like you only care about yourselves.
Your system is broken and the US healthcare system is among the least efficient and effective in the western world while ours is one of the best.
www.guardian.co.uk...

"No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means" ~ Nye Bevan, architect of the National Health Service
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Why am I against the Govt controlling another aspect of my life?
I think I just answered with my rhetorical question.

And how is that governing body of NHS doing over there? Not restricting or hording services huh?
No thanks



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Absolutely and what is scary is that I volunteer two days a month at a homeless shelter.

As each month goes by, what once were "normal, had a job, car, house, the whole American dream" had one medical issue, one job loss and poof, no house, no car, homeless and no longer middle class.

Most people think that the homeless, the ones lining up for a free meal are druggies, alcoholics, lazy bums........not any more folks.

It's getting real scary and if you don't believe me, donate just a couple days to help hand out food to the homeless and talk to them...............many are ex vets and many too are mentally challenged - but Reagan closed down many of the state run mental institutions in the 80's to conserve money towards the social services in order to funnel more money towards the military.....................do the research.

So we let people that are mentally sick run loose while we keep spending tens of millions on our military and prison system (big money for the companies that get the contracts for both systems)...............it's all crooked politics and our government is not run by the people - it's run by the corporations for profit at the expense of the people.

PROFIT BEFORE PEOPLE = a society that will eventually destroy itself. (My own humble opinion).
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Certainly not !!! The bill would have been 6 000 000$ ...man



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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I work maintenence at a local hospital here in Northern Utah. Actually, I worked ten years at one of two and left the previous because of the criminal greed. I have first-hand inside information on how this evil system operates and I can tell you only this small piece of advice---- GET OFF YOUR ASSES, DO YOUR DAMDEST TO STAY PHYSICALLY ACTIVE, EXCERCISE, TRY TO EAT HEALTHY AND AVOID THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ABSOULUTE EMERGENCY NEED OF MEDICAL HELP !! Also, pray that you die very quickly and not leave a terrible financial burden on your spouse or family. It's designed to screw you financially to the point of entertaining suicidal thoughts. I thought Insurance companies were bad, na. I thought the government was evil, na. Healthcare is by far the worst monster with no control or compassion for their services. MM



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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And this is why we need a NEW health care system, but you know, apparently affordable HC is ..gasp..SOCIALISM!



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Here's the problem. No on knows what they're doing. OP tell your friend to call the hospital and say he cannot pay it. They inturn will drop it to what he can pay. Little known secret of the medical community.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
And this is why we need a NEW health care system, but you know, apparently affordable HC is ..gasp..SOCIALISM!


Affordable? No.
Govt controlled? Yes.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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tl;dr past page 2 but regardless this is not an isolated case; what the # is wrong with you people? Why do you repeatedly battle any poilitician who wants to introduce social healthcare? "Wah wah wah taxes etc.." Do you think the tax you'd pay would be more than your health insurance is currently? Do you not think that money could/should be diverted from other departments (ie. DEFENCE) in order to ensure the wellbeing of your nation's people? America has gone from being the envy of the world to one of the most bizzarre #ing freakshows on the planet.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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You don't honestly believe that in today's world, do you?
Ron Paul is great on some things, many things even. But he expects outdated policies to work in todays world, and they simply won't. In the old days, church and charity offered health coverage might have worked, but our society has simply grown too large for such a system to work. The level of healthcare now is not some skilled individuals prescribing medication or sewing up some wounds. It consists of extremely advanced technology, technology which wouldn't exist without the money put into the system. This technology of course has allowed us to diagnose and treat illness on a level never before seen. This is not something that a charity could have ever afforded or created.

That said, Church run organizations present another major problem. They discriminate in the people they could treat. For instance, a charity could refuse to treat a gay man, or refuse to perform an abortion that would be needed to save the mother due to medical reasons.

Ron Paul's idea on health care would never work in today's modern era, our current system doesn't.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Being Canadian, I usually count my lucky stars and move one from these threads, but I have a good friend in the US who is using this as an alternative to health insurance.

www.samaritanministries.org...

It is an incredibly beautiful idea. They have gone through a pregnancy and an appendectomy I believe with wonderful results. Along with the cheques, they receive notes and letters of best wishes and prayers.

So sorry about your friends bill, that really is unfair.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Why insert Merry "Freakin" Christmas into the name unless you are just fishing for interest in your complaints...? Christmas is not the reason for the charge...? (and I am Muslim)...

I have been in the ER and held for 2 days and had every test they could think of done and the bill was 1/20 of what you are showing, I smell BS, something else is going on here that YOU and hiding or not telling us...

Anyway if it makes you feel better to complain go ahead...!

Merry Christmas...from a Muslim American...!



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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I had outpatient surgery years ago. I paid cash that I had from a small inheritance so not rich by any means. I got all the charges up front, papers signed by the hospital, anesthesiology, surgeon etc that my bill was paid in full prior to surgery. After the surgery the bills started coming in from the hospital for drugs I was never given, fluids never administered...list goes on. Fortunately bc I had all my paperwork in order that was stopped dead in it's tracks. Anesthesiology tried to double bill...which was also stopped cold. The only one who did not try and bill more was my surgeon who was wonderful.

Regardless of which side you stand on the health care bill if you read it, understand it, it is designed by the insurance companies for their benefit to make huge profits and legally block shopping for best price. There are all sorts of loopholes to deny coverage or pay for treatments. It was a ruse that the insurance companies were against this bill. That is how psyop's work.

Debating who's right, who's wrong, is OP legit all serves the same end. While engaged in debate the underlying foundation of the corporate control of our medical matrix is obscured. Mission accomplished.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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I work in healthcare. Your friend can apply for financial aid through the hospital and they will wind up with the majority of that bill forgiven. The hospital will also work out a payment plan as well. The follow up visits with a doctor on the other hand will be difficult as they may not want to work out a plan. But, due to current economy, a lot of physician's office are open to negotiations for fees.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Argyll
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Wow!

Glad I live in the UK.....Free premium health care for all, you could be a tramp on the streets or a multi millionaire.....the NHS will look after you, and treat you just the same regardless of your social standing.



Until the CONservatives privatise it off that is.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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I got mugged te night before easter this year. My girlfriend took me to the hospital. There was no one in the waitng room, yet it took over a hour after filling out paperwork for them to bring me to a room. From there a nurse asked about pain, and went to get a 5mg hydo. The nurse took almost an hour and a half to get me that one pill, and she put it on my bill. The doctor finally came in soon after, and had an mri done, then had me wait 2 and a half hours for more pain relief, because one 5mg hyro is not enough, and told me my face was broke in 3 places ad that I could leave. Mind you, I was mugged and my face was beat in with metal. I knew my face was broken. She didn't tell me something new, she didn't fix it, and she never got rid of the pan because it was too hard to get mea fing painkiller. I got a $3,600.00 bill from that, and my face is still technically broken. I'm not paying, I'm sueing. And everyone else should sue. It's illegal to sell medicine at higher prices in emergency situqations. That's why you can' sell a botle of water for 20 bucks in a drought. They didn't even giveme 1 free pill, and they didnktshow me the mri, all I got was a discharge sheet then the bill in the mail.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Welcome to America.


It's a crime to be sick or injured. It's a crime to want healthcare to be cheaper.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
And this is why we need a NEW health care system, but you know, apparently affordable HC is ..gasp..SOCIALISM!


Hmmm.

GOP supports health-care reform; Democrats cling to status quo


Much has been said about the supercommittee’s failure to reach agreement on taxes. But equally important, although less discussed, was the breakdown over health-care reform.

James Capretta raises two key points on that score. In both, we see that the parties have swapped positions: liberals are defending the status quo, while conservatives are pushing for change.


I think it all comes down to affordable for who? Healthcare has to be paid for in the end, whether it's in it's current state or if we move to a 'free for all' healthcare system. Moving to a 'free for all' system will mean more waste due to government administration and overhead (when has the government ever been efficient at running anything), overall lower quality healthcare for all, longer wait times for service, and less innovation in the medical fields. And don't forget about the highly increased tax rates for all to pay for this 'free for all' healthcare system. I just wonder how many businesses will close their U.S. doors to move overseas if this system ever goes into effect, which will put more Americans out of work?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
And this is why we need a NEW health care system, but you know, apparently affordable HC is ..gasp..SOCIALISM!




Wow, I can't believe you used the "S" word. I'd rather see a million new borns die than ever hear that word used again, sir!




posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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And you people blame Obama for actually trying to solve this. Do you have any idea how messed up you all are in here?



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