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The historical ignorance of Barack Obama

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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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1. The people benefit on all!
2. The corporations!
3. On Financial the people, on Liddy the worker, HCR SCHIP the kids and the parents!
4. No.
5. The corporations and conglomerates!

As to your sig, modify to read, "All Roads Lead to Wall Street!"!
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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I think it's time to resurrect this post :

The entire GOP plan in a nutshell :

1. Continue and guarantee that the top 10% of earners don't have to contribute a thing to the economy.
2. Continually allow the banks to do whatever the flip they want and to blindly give them another multi trillion dollar bailout package whenever they get a bug up their tail.
3. Continually send our jobs oversees which will double and triple the unemployment rates.
4. Engage us in an armed conflict with Iran and North Korea while keeping the Wars Over Energy going.
5. Deny people the basic right to essential services like Medicaid, Social Security and cancel all social programs effectively leaving those like me who are unable to hold down a 40 hour 5 day a week job to fend for ourselves!
6. Allow time and time again the poisoning of our food and water supply while protecting the companies that are harming us.
7. Kill off the electric and non petrolchemical powered transportation.
8. Allow for more foriegn influence into our process domestically (law passages, elections)
9. Kill off any non white people!
10. Kill our chance to compete on the world's stage while cutting public school education while leaving the private schools alone.
11. Turn this "War On Terrorism" into a "Holy War" between Islam-Muslim and Christian-Hebrew!
12. Allow time and time again your health insurance company the control to deny you and your family any treatment they want. < These are the real "Death Panels" a bunch of insurance company employees sitting around dictating who gets what coverage.
13. Do nothing about this immigrant issue so the multi trillion dollar lobbyists firms can contunally exploit them for cheap and dirt cheap labour all the while not demanding that any of it remains stateside all while evading the Federal Income Tax laws,
14. Allow you to lose your job and home for whatever reason your employer and lender dictates and not have the populous the right to challenge any claim.
15. Return to an era whereas an African American was legally declared 2/3 of a person and Women weren't allowed out of the kitchen, forget about having the right to own property, hold down a job, have a say in matters pertaining to thier own bodies, have the right to vote, be forced to endure consistant beatings and belittements if they didn't have dinner done in time, being subjected to forced spousal rape. Do y'all really want to subject your daughters, mothers, sisters, aunts to this? African Americans would be forced back into the cotton fields stripped of all rights, properties, jobs, and all money earned. McCain admitted this while on The View in Ear 08!

This is when "The Party of HELL NO!" dictates policy all the while protecting their wealthy donors. This has everything to do with the entire GOP, cutting social programs and eliminating them has been on the dockett since the 1970's so don't tell me this has nothing to do with the GOP.

The CONSERVATIVE DICTAITORSHIP IS THE PROBLEM AND REFUSE TO COMPRIMISE ON A THING. It's either "Their will or the highway".

The entire GOP's mantra is to make Obama a "1 Term President" and will destroy anything in this nation to achieve that goal even go as far as putting 150 Million out of work and forcing anyone who is not a rich, white, Neo Con to get cut all while striping the people and the nation of it's rights and freedoms.

The GOP will protect with life and limb the following industries :
Energy, Big Pharm, Banks, Anyone with an account worth more then $10 Million.

For y'all that want smaller Govt do not dare complain when that new tool you got to fix your house burns your skin right off because the safety regulations were abolished and do not dare complain when that new skin cream makes your skin so raw it causes an infection that costs you your limb.

Say goodbye to ABS, airbags, seatbelts, aircon, brake override systems in cars if they get their way.

Say goodbye to every single safety protection that exists if you want smaller Govt as Big Govt keeps these firms up at night living in fear.

Look at 43 and how he acted too like Hitler and let us not also forget that his granddaddy Prescott was helping fund and finance the entire Nazi movement under the guise of Thyssien, Corp during WWII so to make the Nazi GOP connection more then fits.

The GOP wants to eliminate the 14th Amendment.

Thank the Conservative dictaitorship for that for completely dismantiling every single protection out there that worked beautifully for nearly 50 yrs. It only became a problem when the individual worker had more power then the corporate bigwigs and they couldn't stand



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Financial Reform, Liddy Ledbetter Act, Matthew Sheppard Act, SCHIP!


You need to be specific.

Who benefits

Who pays

The majority benefits how?

Do the administrators get rich?

Who pays for failures?



 

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1. The people benefit on all!
2. The corporations!
3. On Financial the people, on Liddy the worker, HCR SCHIP the kids and the parents!
4. No.
5. The corporations and conglomerates!

As to your sig, modify to read, "All Roads Lead to Wall Street!"!

 


OK, i understand you are under a gag order and can't trip any wires.

So, I will assume the opposite in your answers.

I do not believe the Congress under Obama has done anything positive for the majority.

Everything has been directed at special interests whether they be banks, corporations, or groups.

The majority is now in debt for $15 trillion.

There are not enough tax revenues to pay it off.

The "people" can't possibly benefit from added debt.

The banks and corporations continue to stockpile the profits and raise prices and cut costs to offset the added expenses of government programs, and will do the same when taxed more.

Administrators get high fees and the taxpayers continue to pay off for the mistakes and the "experimental" theories.


"As to your sig, modify to read, "All Roads Lead to Wall Street!"!"

You believe that and yet you say Congress and the POTUS are acting in the best interests of the majority of citizens?







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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Blame the opposition for the lack of new revenue streams because if the taxes on the rich alone were to be reversed that alone would bring $1 Billion plus back into the coffers.

The Liddy Ledbetter Act affords a woman the right to be paid the same as a man for the same work (yes, in the 21st Century in America that was still going on a full century after the Suffergete movement that gave rise to women's rights, sickening I know ain't it?)!

HCR prevents, blocks and outlaws an insurance companies ability to drop someone when they get sick, prevents lifetime caps on insurance and puts your medical decisions back in the control of you, your doctor and your family and takes it away from some idiot in a room 2,000 miles away stating at some computer screen. SCHIP orders that all kids are to be insured which was a precursor to Heathcare Reform.

The $15 Trillion is just the operating deficit as that is how much we have to borrow year after year to run Govt and the actual overall debt is like $55 Trillion which is our total debt to The Treasury and does not factor in any debt notwithstanding to any foreign nation like China or Saudi Arabia.

This link from Wiki explaining in depth about The Economy Of The US will elaborate further :
en.wikipedia.org...

In a couple of years it isn't gonna matter anymore. Private control over our money ends in 54 weeks and the new currency is rolled out by 2016 with the phrase "Federal Reserve Note" deleted from the observe top side of the bill as it's not an actual currency but a banknote backed by nothing, zilch, zip, nadda meaning it's as worthless as the fabric sheet it was printed on and the fabric is worth a helluva lot more then the denomination depicted. The way this ties into Financial reform into this is that it is to serve as a launchpad to delete The SCUM's influence into our nation's affairs. The US Secret Service as of now is under the control of The Federal Reserve and it was determined in 07 that this is a conflict of interest and was the reason for this need to nationalize The Federal Reserve so that our bankers aren't the same people who control the detail on POTUS so that they can't leverage the nation via that avenue as all they'd have to do is to get someone to call in a threat to him so that they can use that avenue to leverage our POTUS.

The "All Roads Lead To Wall Street" is exactly how things are today as our "elected representatives" are beholden to their campaign donators which all happen to work for and are Wall Street hence the urgency to eliminate corporate donations into our elections or else more of the same and worse will continue to happen. They continue to stockpile profits under the guise of "Tax breaks" and "corporate welfare" and "corporate subsidies" which allows them to gouge us here all to funnel it to places like The Cayman Islands as that is one giant tax haven. Allow at least 1/4 of that to be issued back to Govt in the form of taxes and watch how fast we recover, continue this and what we are experiencing now will just be the beginning. I do agree with one stance that we must stop throwing money at the problem as that only proves one thing, that they can do whatever they want while they get richer and we all get poorer! It's just nothing more then the largest pyramid and ponzi scheme ever devised that people like Bernie Maddoff would be in total awe over and wouldn't've in his wildest dreams ever had dreamed of. Follow who finances the campaigns and an even larger agenda will emerge. All apart of illumination, to not see the end result but to have the ability to identify the cause and root of the problem as for far too long we've been solely and exclusively concentrating on the end result instead of addressing the root cause, same deal with terrorism.

The Matthew Sheppard Act expands upon The Civil Rights Act of 1964 that makes is a hate crime to attack someone based on nothing more then the fact that they are gay. This also is expanded to protect the "Lesbian-Gay-Transgendered-Intersexed" segment of society from being harassed and works to ensure that those Americans have and can be afforded the same rights that you and I thoroughly enjoy today as since they are Americans to do they not deserve the same freedom and protection that you and I already have?

Nothing in reality is ever classified or top secret as it's all out there it's just that you've gotta be able to connect the dots to see the bigger picture emerge which is a principle discipline of illumination and being in fact illuminated! It's as elementary as connecting A to B, B to C and C to A and the to find a common factor and denominator is each, find that and you will not only find who is really behind something but will have the ability to expose an even larger agenda and conspiracy!
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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In a couple of years it isn't gonna matter anymore. Private control over our money ends in 54 weeks and the new currency is rolled out by 2016 with the phrase "Federal Reserve Note" deleted from the observe top side of the bill as it's not an actual currency but a banknote backed by nothing, zilch, zip, nadda meaning it's as worthless as the fabric sheet it was printed on and the fabric is worth a helluva lot more then the denomination depicted. The way this ties into Financial reform into this is that it is to serve as a launchpad to delete The SCUM's influence into our nation's affairs. The US Secret Service as of now is under the control of The Federal Reserve and it was determined in 07 that this is a conflict of interest and was the reason for this need to nationalize The Federal Reserve so that our bankers aren't the same people who control the detail on POTUS so that they can't leverage the nation via that avenue as all they'd have to do is to get someone to call in a threat to him so that they can use that avenue to leverage our POTUS.


 


Perhaps some clarification is in order here concerning the Fed Reserve.

Unless the Shadow Govt is working, the legislation introduced by Ron Paul is stalled in committee and has not been "Reported by Committee". No actions since April 4th.

H.R. 1094: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act

Text of H.R. 1094: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act

The Text
Continued.....



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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...Continued from above

Text of H.R. 1094: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act



Mar 15, 2011 - Introduced in House. This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.

HR 1094 IH
112th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1094


To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.




IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES




March 15, 2011




Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Financial Services

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A BILL




To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.




Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,




SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.




This Act may be cited as the ‘Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act’.




SEC. 2. FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD ABOLISHED.




(a) In General- Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and each Federal reserve bank are hereby abolished.




(b) Repeal of Federal Reserve Act- Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Federal Reserve Act is hereby repealed.




(c) Disposition of Affairs-




(1) MANAGEMENT DURING DISSOLUTION PERIOD- During the 1-year period referred to in subsection (a), the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System--




(A) shall, for the sole purpose of winding up the affairs of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks--




(i) manage the employees of the Board and each such bank and provide for the payment of compensation and benefits of any such employee which accrue before the position of such employee is abolished; and




(ii) manage the assets and liabilities of the Board and each such bank until such assets and liabilities are liquidated or assumed by the Secretary of the Treasury in accordance with this subsection; and




(B) may take such other action as may be necessary, subject to the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, to wind up the affairs of the Board and the Federal reserve banks.




(2) LIQUIDATION OF ASSETS-




(A) IN GENERAL- The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall liquidate all assets of the Board and the Federal reserve banks in an orderly manner so as to achieve as expeditious a liquidation as may be practical while maximizing the return to the Treasury.




(B) TRANSFER TO TREASURY- After satisfying all claims against the Board and any Federal reserve bank which are accepted by the Director of the Office of Management and Budget and redeeming the stock of such banks, the net proceeds of the liquidation under subparagraph (A) shall be transferred to the Secretary of the Treasury and deposited in the General Fund of the Treasury.




(3) ASSUMPTION OF LIABILITIES- All outstanding liabilities of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks at the time such entities are abolished, including any liability for retirement and other benefits for former officers and employees of the Board or any such bank in accordance with employee retirement and benefit programs of the Board and any such bank, shall become the liability of the Secretary of the Treasury and shall be paid from amounts deposited in the general fund pursuant to paragraph (2) which are hereby appropriated for such purpose until all such liabilities are satisfied.




(d) Report- At the end of the 18-month period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall submit a joint report to the Congress containing a detailed description of the actions taken to implement this Act and any actions or issues relating to such implementation that remain uncompleted or unresolved as of the date of the report.


maybe a good idea, BUT

This bill has not even been voted on







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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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This was already handled on the other thread!



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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This was already handled on the other thread!


I know, relax.

Let the thread author continue later.

The same people are reading both threads.

relax.

I posted here right after the other.
(before you responded)

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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What other thread?

I'm not finding it right off hand.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
...which allows them to gouge us here all to funnel it to places like The Cayman Islands as that is one giant tax haven. Allow at least 1/4 of that to be issued back to Govt in the form of taxes and watch how fast we recover...


There is an estimated 1.2-1.3 trillion in assets being held overseas. One quarter of that is aproximately 400 billion dollars. This is enough to run our bloated and inefficient government for how long? If you guessed 1 1/2 months then you guessed right. Even if you took ALL of it you would still be back in debt the following year. Do you know why? Because we spend too much.

I am still waiting for your proposal on how to reattract businesses and industries back to teh United States. What sound fiscal policy would you employ that would compell them to return or set up shop here?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Look later in the thread!



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Assets in tax haven nations like The Cayman Islands and in Switzerland.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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You are correct in those technical aspects, as I have stated before, I am not a banking specialist.
But, the people where not forced to take the loans, the banks were forced to provide loans by the Govt so they made it worth their wild.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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I do not answer to you and have nothing to prove to you as in your world the US would be a figment of the past. You've already stated this in not too many words.

You only know of what tv news orders you!


Don't really watch TV either.

You fail to answer, because you know you can't provide anything but imaginary tails.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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There are more millionaires and 1 billionaire in Congress then in the general populous by comparison so that is who is holding us up.


Yep, all hail the best most honest Govt, huh?
You just sunk every retort you have typed on ATS supporting the Govt and 0bama.

Thanks for that.

Troll, it is SO obvious.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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I've already answered your query multiple times but it is you who won't listen because it's an answer that you don't want to hear.

It is not a case of oneupmanship so quit trying to one up me with propaganda.
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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I've already answered your query multiple times but it is you who won't listen because it's an answer that you don't want to hear.

It is not a case of oneupmanship so quit trying to one up me with propaganda.
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Answered with what? Imaginary scenarios of secret meetings?
Poetic one liners that have no relevance?
You haven't answered anything with logic or that resides in the real world.
Your Google-fu is good, but your application of is poor.
Or, you are just Trolling to troll.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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(To the Admins and Mods, I apologize in advance if I am in violation of any site rule but this new rise of Anti Americanism is sickening and seriously needs to be addressed and do not wish to see ATS being taken over by this new Anti American sentinment! D1)

Ignorance to the obvious is no excuse for complacency! By defending The SCUM here day after day means you've already forfeited your rights and freedoms to The SCUM and it is now clear that they own you and can manipulate you into believing anything they want.

If Obama came out tomorrow and said the sky is blue, you'd argue to the death and bitter end that it is orange all to not being seen in agreeance with him on anything. If he said tomorrow to not tax the rich you'd want the rich taxed, if he said that Iran was next you'd claim he's a dictator. He or the nation cannot win on a thing when the opposition is so fervently and obviously against the nation itself that you and the rest of the braindeads would rather see this nation collapse and die all to not allow The "black man in The WH" to have one damn success story. It's beyond racism, it's now Anti American.

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Oh boy, where to start.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

(To the Admins and Mods, I apologize in advance if I am in violation of any site rule but this new rise of Anti Americanism is sickening and seriously needs to be addressed and do not wish to see ATS being taken over by this new Anti American sentinment! D1)

Give it a rest already.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Ignorance to the obvious is no excuse for complacency! By defending The SCUM here day after day means you've already forfeited your rights and freedoms to The SCUM and it is now clear that they own you and can manipulate you into believing anything they want.

Oh yeah? really?
Please, provide proof that I have forfeited my right to the SCUM. Maybe a letter to them? Or a phone call.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
If Obama came out tomorrow and said the sky is blue, you'd argue to the death and bitter end that it is orange all to not being seen in agreeance with him on anything. If he said tomorrow to not tax the rich you'd want the rich taxed, if he said that Iran was next you'd claim he's a dictator. He or the nation cannot win on a thing when the opposition is so fervently and obviously against the nation itself that you and the rest of the braindeads would rather see this nation collapse and die all to not allow The "black man in The WH" to have one damn success story. It's beyond racism, it's now Anti American.

Nope, as if he would actually tell the truth, it would be hard to not agree with him.
Almost every election based promise he made was a lie.
I could care less about his color. You are the one that constantly and consistently bring that up in thread after thread.
And yes, I oppose everything he stands for. That, for once, you are correct on. I guess a Troll can be right, every so often.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Since you obvious stand against firmly every single plan to bring the nation forth you are a terrorist and should be treated like the Anti American you are.

So I am a terrorist now, am I? Oh good lord, what shall I do. Immaculated has labeled me as such. Again, Trolling just to Troll.



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Get real and get lost and let the adults who really care about this nation be allowed to debate the topics of the day without being Anti American! No wonder why I support The NDAA, to weed out who is in fact against this nation.

Oh, I am real. Unlike all the BS stories and statement you pitch here. Lie after lie after lie.
And you support NDAA? Oh, big surprise there. And who is Anti-American again?

You are as clueless as ever.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Assets in tax haven nations like The Cayman Islands and in Switzerland.


I already addressed this.

What is your plan to reattract and retain business and industry in the United States?




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