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PM David Cameron says the UK is a Christian country

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
So David Cameron has come out in defence of Religion and Its role in Society and Politics.
I'm not sure how this will go down and it will be interesting to see what happens and what the public's reaction is to it, and also other politicians.

Also interesting when he talks about moral collapse...



David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country "and we should not be afraid to say so". In a speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, the prime minister called for a revival of traditional Christian values to counter Britain's "moral collapse". He dais "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please". The PM said it was wrong to suggest that standing up for Christianity was "somehow doing down other faiths". Describing himself as a "committed" but only "vaguely practising" Christian, the PM admitted he was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.




"We are a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so," he told the audience at Christ Church. "Let me be clear: I am not in any way saying that to have another faith - or no faith - is somehow wrong. "I know and fully respect that many people in this country do not have a religion. "And I am also incredibly proud that Britain is home to many different faith communities, who do so much to make our country stronger. "But what I am saying is that the Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today."



Read the article here

www.bbc.co.uk...
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I have too throw out a very loud LOL to the UK's extreme LOL overtaken by a certain religion I shall not name (whispering...islam) and the fact that your P M's Christian statement may just have started UK's religious battle against a religion that has no room for other religions.
However throwing some encouragement to the UK, America is not far behind the U K.

Yet here on American soil let 1suicide bomber hit a mall, school, hospital... We will as the citizen rea t. The gov will have to do to the Muslims the same actions as that which was required when Japan tried to take us, gov rounded them up and encamped them, LOLfor their safety against us the commoners. Peace out




posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:08 AM
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Yes, quite often, I have even seen cases where people have to stand because pews have filled up. Also, you will be surprised at just how many people often turn back to religeon during hardship, like the current economic crisis.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by lbndhr

I have too throw out a very loud LOL to the UK's extreme LOL overtaken by a certain religion I shall not name (whispering...islam) and the fact that your P M's Christian statement may just have started UK's religious battle against a religion that has no room for other religions.
However throwing some encouragement to the UK, America is not far behind the U K.




I have to throw out a
to your ridiculous comment.





Yet here on American soil let 1suicide bomber hit a mall, school, hospital... We will as the citizen rea t. The gov will have to do to the Muslims the same actions as that which was required when Japan tried to take us, gov rounded them up and encamped them, LOLfor their safety against us the commoners. Peace out




Hey Adolf, how'd that work out for you?



I suppose McCarthyism is something you;re proud of too right?

Seriously...



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by lbndhr

However throwing some encouragement to the UK, America is not far behind the U K.


There is 1.6 million Muslims in the UK, there is 5.2 million in the USA, methinks the US has passed the UK. (and don't bother with the population percentage crap, numbers are still numbers)


Yet here on American soil let 1suicide bomber hit a mall, school, hospital...


This thread has nothing to do with suicide bombers, not all Muslims are suicide bombers, despite what your government would have you believe.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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How about that on a proportion to population level?



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Temples etc, are merely edifices built to perpetuate the control of religion over the masses, nothing more.
A person's religious faith cannot be measured by how often that person visits a place of worship, as it's a purely personal belief and spiritual relationship. If churches didn't exist, for instance, would it mean there are no longer Christians? Of course not!

Seeing the likes of people such as Cameron mouthing off about religion makes me sick. Lets face it, someone who lies, cheats, steals and orders mass death upon other people is hardly following the words of his alleged messiah.
The same goes for many of the worlds leaders who use religion to drum up support to appear benevolent and good. Their actions speak otherwise.
But, isn't that also true of some religious leaders and writings too? Those that put their followers above all others and preach that they are somehow superior?



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy

Seeing the likes of people such as Cameron mouthing off about religion makes me sick. Lets face it, someone who lies, cheats, steals and orders mass death upon other people is hardly following the words of his alleged messiah.
The same goes for many of the worlds leaders who use religion to drum up support to appear benevolent and good. Their actions speak otherwise.
But, isn't that also true of some religious leaders and writings too? Those that put their followers above all others and preach that they are somehow superior?




Exactly, hypocrisy at it's finest.
And yes... all the scriptures (from all 3 Abrahamic faiths) all tell their followers to kill those who don't believe in their version of god... and are all bigoted beyond belief and absolutely detrimental to humanity and a peaceful existence.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
The UK is a muslim majority country these days if you take into account those that say they are christian but do not practice. I can't wait for the day that it doesn't matter what religion you believe in, as nobody will care.


"Christian but do not practice", i hate to tell you this but that means theyre an apostate, an anti-christ. They claim Jesus as Adonai (master) but do not practice means they really do not follow him as being a christian means "Christ-like" or "little Christ".

Yes, having no religion at all will really make you a better person
, all that apathy and immorality...welcome back to the days of Noah. The next flood that comes won't be by water. God has a penchant for destroying people who "do not care". If you have a spirit of apathy then you are not one of his. People who do not care wether or not they do evil are just plain wicked. Goats on the left, sheep on the right.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Just seen it on the news 10 mins ago,what a plonker,i mean c'mon,how long will it be before the complaints from the burkha brigade come wafting in? You can't preach the uk as a multinational non denominational happy country that bends over and lets everyone have a pop at it then say its a christian country....im voting farage next year!!!!



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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Britain is a christian country and the statement came whilst he was in "christchurch" lol, things get weirder by the day, usual devide and conquer tactic there dave, he is no more christian than i am a frog, i.m.o he is just trying to get a reaction going from the sheeple.

Cameron is clearly out of his depth, guy is an idiot and bigot.

If he was a christian, he would not do the things he does, the teachings are so far removed from what they originally were,that i think if there was such a person as "jesus" , he would not recognise many people as living what he would call by his teachings, but hey when in Rome!.



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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy
Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Temples etc, are merely edifices built to perpetuate the control of religion over the masses, nothing more.
A person's religious faith cannot be measured by how often that person visits a place of worship, as it's a purely personal belief and spiritual relationship. If churches didn't exist, for instance, would it mean there are no longer Christians? Of course not!

Seeing the likes of people such as Cameron mouthing off about religion makes me sick. Lets face it, someone who lies, cheats, steals and orders mass death upon other people is hardly following the words of his alleged messiah.
The same goes for many of the worlds leaders who use religion to drum up support to appear benevolent and good. Their actions speak otherwise.
But, isn't that also true of some religious leaders and writings too? Those that put their followers above all others and preach that they are somehow superior?


I do have to agree with you on this for the most part. The "Church" of Christ is not and never has been a building or structure or institution. The Church as Jesus and his Apostles set it out to be was a belief system with Jesus being the core of that belief, not some guy wearing a funny hat sitting on a throne and fornicating with civil powers and gaining worldly wealth and worldly power (Roman Catholic Church), while you kneel at his feet and kiss his ring.

Churches as we know them today are places of worship where we may gather and worship the Lord and sing his praises and learn the doctrine. The first church in the first century A.D. could not hold worship out in the open as they were being hunted into extinction by the Romans and the Sanhedrin so they gathered in underground tombs to worship and spread the word. Jesus does not and has not ever cared about having big gaudy looking temples built to him.

Matthew 8:18-22

18 When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake.
19 Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, “Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.”
20 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”
21 Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

Who are the dead left to bury their own dead? Those who do not follow him. Does Jesus dwell in any building or structure? No, he goes wherever 2 or more of his believers are gathered.

Matthew 18:18-20

"I tell you the truth. When you speak judgment here on earth, that judgment will be God's judgment. When you promise forgiveness here on earth, that forgiveness will be God's forgiveness. Also, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about something, then you can pray for it. And the thing you ask for will be done for you by my Father in heaven. This is true, because if two or three people are together believing in me, I am there with them."

Who judges the world? The saints. Who are the saints? The christians are which is why he urged us to love our enemies as we love our neighbors and to forgive and pray for those whom offend us. Why? Because we bring God's judgement on them if we do not.

Cameron's not practicing the ways of Christ as he should be, claiming to be one belonging to Jesus has created trouble for him. For claiming to be a christian yet doing the things he has done has caused people to doubt Christ and has made him a hypocrit.


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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Religion has no place in government. We should be keeping religion out of politics, not trying to sneak it into government policy.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by lifeissacred
Religion has no place in government. We should be keeping religion out of politics, not trying to sneak it into government policy.




Indeed, I really wonder who is going to call him on this, who's going to tackle him and ask him what he thinks he's doing?

Hmmmm



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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i cannot believe cameron even thinks it is religion that teaches us values. i thought that was respect.

respect that is lacking in so many area's of society in recent times hence the social mess.
respect use to be taught by the police, schools, and parents. bring back respect.

religion does not teach respect, most do not respect others beliefs, and they think because they believe in a religion they have a right to go around telling everybody else how they should live their lives, and who is worthy and who is not.

religion has its place to those who believe it, but it has nothing to do with the social breakdown. the focus being shifted away from teaching respect regardless of a persons beliefs is to blame.

britian use to be polite and respectfull, now it is full of people who have no consideration for others and are rude and it is not limited to one section of society.

that's my opinion. what david cameron should be saying is that the repect the older generations had for one and other shaped this country. and now it is lacking we have a social mess.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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David Cameron is clutching at straws , he is completley out of touch with the British people , and cares about one thing only - money - just like Thatcher . In his short time as our PM (which seems like a life time to most of us) he has failed to create a bond with us time and time again, and now he`s playing the religion card , which will once again backfire because only a small percent of British people are christians anyway.

Whilst he pretends to be concerned about us and our financial situations , he continues to waste time and money on his crazy ideas, most of which (if not all) have failed in dramatic fashion.

Lets not forget this is the man who wants to end the NHS and get us to pay his posh gangster friends for medical care , this is the man who wants to change our health and safety laws , this is the man who wanted to sell the port of dover for a silly £10m , this is the man who has killed our Navy , killed our Airforce, refuses to help the troops (but claims to care) , sees Thatcher as a hero , and is currently forcing people to work up to 40 hours a week for unemployment benefits ....... if that makes sense at all .

For some reason , the jobcentre employees arent happy with me using the word SLAVERY , they cant grasp the fact that - forcing - a british worker to accept less than national minimum wage is ILLEGAL



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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It is clear that western governments are using any mean to stay in power.

I mean it is complete hypocrisy out there.

One day they let hemosexuals marry in Church
the other day they plan to kill innocent people for false flag
the other one they just plan to bring on the NWO
the other day lady Gaga comes and makes a mockery of Merry
the other day lady Gaga comes and makes a mockery of Jesus
the other day illuminati claims to burn all the holy books
the other day we find out that multinational corporations commence invasions
the we see George bush comes and says "God told me to invade Iraq in the Rose Garden"
the other day US is just trying to bring whole universe to hell by forcing gays to have rights in international community

And at last , they say :

we are Christians.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000.

Yes, having no religion at all will really make you a better person
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But being religious instantly makes you better? How so?
I don't think religion makes you better or more moral at all, I think not having religion means you focus more on one another and think in terms of humanity and each person as a person.... not on what religion they are and whether they pray or not and whether they are worthy in the eyes of some made up omniscient being.






all that apathy and immorality...




Uh huh.... how many times have you protested paedophile priests?
How many times have you written to the Vatican and asked for the Pope's removal for his protection of Paedophile priests?

I'm guessing from your words, that this is one of your many crusades and causes you undertake... you know, not being apathetic and all...






God has a penchant for destroying people who "do not care".




No he doesn't... at all.
He did in this make believe book that lots of men cobbled together 1000-1500 years ago... men who wanted to control and scare people.

Why has god never smote a town or city recently?

Why haven't we heard his booming voice warning us all of our ways?

Because it's BS man...

Fairy tales to tell to gullible, ignorant, uncultured morons.




People who do not care wether or not they do evil are just plain wicked. Goats on the left, sheep on the right.




People who preach about evil doers and wrongdoers while being a member of a religion in which the holy men regularly molest boys.... and you do nothing about it, are called hypocrites.



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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Most of what you said is lost on me to be honest....?
Why shouldn't gays (or women or anyone else) have rights?
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Embrace Jesus the Christ, and obey his commandments and love him. You will be changed. As you desire to please him more and more what you were will fall away. If you truly accept him and embrace the change is brings to your life. It does make you a better person. It would make everyone a better person.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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He probably just doesnt want to admit our economy and education is collapsing at an alarming rate which is leading to massive spikes in youth crime and by large extremely anti-social behavior.

It may sound a tad extreme but thats what happens when un educated have children who in turn have children that are even worse as there is no one to even teach the fundamental values of decency required to contribute to a society.



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