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The long-term dilemma of a Ron Paul presidency

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by derst1988
 

I still stand by my position that Ron Paul is the republican party's Barack Obama.


And that insinuation is backed by what information?


It cant be based on conviction or principle,thats for sure.............





posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Annee

Ron Paul is just another white southern Christian and very old.





Many Presidents were Christian.

Your "old" statement is questionable.

Maybe America should have impeached this President,because he needed a wheelchair.



My mother was a polio victim.

I am 65 - - I can speak about old.

I've had enough of the right-wing Christians trying to dominate politics. It makes me wary.

Off topic: but did you know the Christian church was one of the main oppositions to the disability act? Their claim: it would cost too much.

Next.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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You bring up a valid concern... and that is why we need to hold an article 5 convention and start amending the constitution in order to prevent it from happening. The founders left things pretty vague on purpose, which is where Progressivism gets its power from, because Progressives feel that they can "interpret" the Constitution as they see fit. We need SPECIFIC amendments that can not be left to interpretation.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Annee


My mother was a polio victim.

I am 65 - - I can speak about old.

I've had enough of the right-wing Christians trying to dominate politics. It makes me wary.

Next.


So you want left-wing politics in its place? Isnt that what we have now? How is that working for America?


The mixing of religious values into the marketing of a Presidential bid,has been going on alot longer then anyone whos alive today,from BOTH party's.

Age shouldn't be a discriminating factor,you of ALL people should know that.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
If Ron Paul even wins a couple of states that would be a revolution in republican history. He won't win the nomination. However, he won't be able to play nice with those in congress. If he becomes president he could get sucked into power and use the constitution to do even worse things than Obama because, "They aren't listening to me." Type of stuff. Ron Paul will have 100% of the media attacking him, instead of just Fox News like Obama. Congress will be even more divided with 0% approval from the Public. Ron Paul will automatically make us surrender and pull out of destabilizing countries (if he can even get that done). Believe me people, Ron Paul isn't really that good for our country. Just like how Obama isn't that good for our country, and I believe that Ron Paul is even more radical than Obama is.

This is not saying that Ron Paul is a great man with great ideas, but then again, so was Obama.


See this quote about a few posts above yours.


So if Ron won't win the nomination like you say, how is he the Republican party's Obama?

One of the big differences between Obama and Paul is that Obama didn't have the dedicated support he needed to continue the campaign after he was elected. They all went back to their normal lives after riding the bandwagon and didn't support his ideas.


So what is your alternative? Surely to be knocking Ron Paul, you'd have one to present for others to consider.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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Yeah because people listening to Obama worked out so much. I even heard Obama saying that people shouldn't worry about what politicians in office are doing because they have their own lives to live???

Truth is people either get corrupted by the power or get silenced by TPTB. That's the way the world works today unfortunately. I still stand by my position that Ron Paul is the republican party's Barack Obama.


Can you honestly tell me Obama's talking points that go against the Status Quo of Fascism? He bailed them out first, has yet to bring the fact that the Federal Reserve gave 12.3 trillion to private corporations and other countries central banks into his address to the nation speeches. Tell me what is Obama saying, that doesn't sound like more ramblings from someone being paid off by the status quo? Are we still waging war? Yes, without congressional approval, no less. Therefore Halliburton & company are still happy with Obama.

People are not listening because he is not speaking truth.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Annee


My mother was a polio victim.

I am 65 - - I can speak about old.

I've had enough of the right-wing Christians trying to dominate politics. It makes me wary.

Next.


So you want left-wing politics in its place? Isnt that what we have now? How is that working for America?


The mixing of religious values into the marketing of a Presidential bid,has been going on alot longer then anyone whos alive today,from BOTH party's.

Age shouldn't be a discriminating factor,you of ALL people should know that.



I'm actually a 44 year Goldwater Republican (except for the Christian thing).

Age is not a discriminating factor. Age and Stress is.

We are a secular government. Religion is not required to have values.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Ron Paul is just another white southern Christian and very old.


You know if i said someone was just another black foreign muslim........

Id be labeled a racist and a biggot.......

Someone want to explain to me how this doesnt apply in reverse????? Anyone??? MODS????


Take your vitriolic drivel elsewhere............



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Yeah I would like Jon Huntsman in place but he doesn't have enough followers.

Mitt Romney really showed his strength in Thursday's debate. He will be good for the private sector to help get business going in america again. Romney shows that he can deal with the democrats on variety of issues because his states is one of the top democratic states in the country. Massachusetts. I used to seriously consider voting for Ron Paul but after he said that Iran is not a serious threat because we shouldn't be in the middle east in the first place is ridiculous! We need a president who will take Iran seriously and although, I may not like the republican party's war mongering. I think Iran will decide the next war, not USA.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Annee




I'm actually a 44 year Goldwater Republican (except for the Christian thing).

Age is not a discriminating factor. Age and Stress is.

We are a secular government. Religion is not required to have values.


I am an Independent.


Ron Paul is doing fine,and hasn't kicked the bucket just yet. As Ron Paul IS a medical doctor,I would expect Dr. Paul to make the case for his age,more then anyone else. Stress included.

You are right of course,as to being secular. Americans have the idea that those values that the Christian faith advocate, should be incorporated into the service of politicians.You cannot say it hasn't been so,as you yourself are tired of it.

Right or wrong,its been happening,like I said,for years,longer then you and I have been here.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Ron Paul is just another white southern Christian and very old.


You know if i said someone was just another black foreign muslim........

Id be labeled a racist and a biggot.......



Yes that's true.

Southern Christian or Bible Belt Christian is a stereotype label that is well understood in this country

I said white simply because Ron Paul is white - - no other reason. It was the visual in my head when I posted. Probably should have left that descriptive out.

I suppose we could also discuss all those labels used on ATS in reference to California. Of which I am native born and bred.


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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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I used to seriously consider voting for Ron Paul but after he said that Iran is not a serious threat because we shouldn't be in the middle east in the first place is ridiculous!


Not as ridiculous as it sounds. Lets lookat it this way. The Iran nuclear propaganda has been going around since at least 2009. We have been told that Iran is 6 months from nuclear weapons back in 2009; three years later and where is the bomb? Additionally the IAEA report that Bachman, Romney, status quo is talking about states that iran is at 20% enrichment. 90% is needed, btw. They were at like 6% in 2009. This is propaganda to lead us into WW3, and you can "take that to the bank!"

PDF posted in 1/9/2009 stateing that Iran will be nuclear.




EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Iran’s nuclear program poses immense challenges to the administration of Barack Obama. The year 2009 will likely mark Iran’s development of a nuclear weapons capability.


Still sound crazy?
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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You don't need to start a war with nuclear weapons FYI. Iran may not have them, but they are a threat to the US and Ron Paul doesn't think so. The terrorists aren't going to leave us alone because we leave. Romney understands this and has said it multiple times. The damage has been done and we already pissed off Iran North Korea and a whole bunch of other people already. Too late now.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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And you would like to repeat our mistake in Iraq 2.0?

Iran doesn't even have ICBM's, if they tried to launch anything outside of their borders, it would be shot down before it even left their territory. Stop marching along the war beats, we cannot continue to give the military industrial complex the fuel they need to keep the wars going. If you think Iran is dangerous, maybe it is time to reflect a bit in the mirror.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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No i would not like another Iraq but neither did GWB. You just have to look at reality. Iran hates the west and the US. If you don't know this maybe you need to look in the mirror. It's only a matter of time.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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No i would not like another Iraq but neither did GWB. You just have to look at reality. Iran hates the west and the US. If you don't know this maybe you need to look in the mirror. It's only a matter of time.



So your answer is targeted strategic missile strikes that kill innocent civilians, invading their country for 5-10 years fighting against yet another nation that uses guerilla tactics, another trillion dollars of debt, billion dollar embassy, losing thousands of American troops so that what...you could feel safer that the dog isn't barking?


Well I guess if we all look on the bright side. Haliburton, Blackwater, Mcdonalds, Starbucks will make a lot of money off of the government contracts to spread democracy and capitalism. Horray for 'growth'



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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No i would not like another Iraq but neither did GWB.


Bush didnt want it? His goal was to go to Iraq and oust Sadam, even before he was POTUS. You clearly remember nothing about Bush.


Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by derst1988
 


You don't need to start a war with nuclear weapons FYI. Iran may not have them, but they are a threat to the US and Ron Paul doesn't think so. The terrorists aren't going to leave us alone because we leave. Romney understands this and has said it multiple times. The damage has been done and we already pissed off Iran North Korea and a whole bunch of other people already. Too late now.


A threat to the US?Absolutely not. They do not have intercontinental ballistic missiles. They would literally need to get a ship off our shores to do us any real damage. Our Navy is leaps and bounds better than theirs, They would not get close. Have you seen their "new weapon"? Its a puny little plane that glides on water.

The people of Iran do not hate America, and I would like for you to try to prove it.

Dont pull a Bachman tho and try to tell me it is in their constitution to attack the west. That was a false statement and a half.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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There are no guarantees in politics. What has been put in place by one president can be undone by another president unless the changes are made, ratified and added to the Constitution. The current administration has in effect ignored the Constitution at their own risk. All the laws that don't meet muster can be struct down as UN- Constitutional. This will take time. I do not put much trust in the Supreme Courts but I hope they have a copy of the Constitution and read it before they deliberate on any case brought to them.

As for Ron Paul, I believe that he is the only one who strikes fear in the heart of Mr. Obama. Why? A Ron Paul administration would audit the Federal Reserve and shut it down. Apparently the Federal Reserve hollds a lot of "secrets" that could put many people in jail.

If you watch the news reports on Mr. Paul, he is treated like a "crazy uncle" that you hide in the attic. I believe that these reporters are afraid Mr. Paul just might win the election. Mr. Paul knows where all the bodies are and as President, he can dig them up and expose the culprets for what they really are.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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OMG Iran is a threat to America, the rest of the Middle East has been pretty much contained but Iran can conduct various war maneuvers and terrorists attacks against us. London 2012 Olympics has been targeted. Iran has trading partners around the world not like the rest of the Middle East which is a complicated mess of underground black market trading. They are an up and coming country. America has some blame of course, and then there is the Israel/Iran shaky relationship which is based on a number of things.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Mitt Romney really showed his strength in Thursday's debate. He will be good for the private sector to help get business going in america again.


Romney made his fortune taking over and dismantling companies and shipping jobs overseas. Romney and Gingerich are just as much a part of the problem as the corporatist Obama administration.



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