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Is the Tea Party dropping Bachman for Ron Paul??

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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Ron Paul picked up yet another Tea Party endorsement today. In an article for American Thinker, Russ Paladino, co-founder of the grassroots group Staten Island LiberTEA and a former staff member of the Staten Island Tea Party, has openly endorsed Ron Paul. He lays out a very good argument for Paul and hits on one of the main things that worry me most about him – his foreign policy.


Why are we are so willing to dismiss the one candidate in this race who dares to highlight the undeniable truths about our foreign policy failures? How could it be that we are terrified to consider the concept of pulling back, regrouping, and retooling that which is demonstrably failing? It's not that our soldiers have not gone above and beyond everything we've asked them to do, and done it with heroism and honor. It's that we've seen fit to keep them deployed indefinitely in an ill-defined mission, where the concept of victory is far from clear. It is less patriotic to keep the status quo than to acknowledge our foreign policy failures and correct them. Don't we owe that much to the troops? Perhaps this is why Ron Paul is far and away the choice of active duty military in terms of campaign contributions?
American thinker.com

OK all of you Paul-ites out there! I’m open to what’s best for America so lay it on me!!!

Why should I not be so concerned about Ron Paul’s foreign policy? Why should I not be scared that he is totally cool with allowing the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East (Iran) acquire nuclear weapons? Why is it OK that Iran, the country that has threatened to destroy the US and our ally Israel, be allowed to have such a weapon? What is his policy toward China and their aggressive trade practices? Put me at ease!! I know there are enough of you on here!!




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Well, for starters they don't really have an airforce.
Then uh, when they got stuxnet they were so totally lost it was pathetic.

What they have is water and the Saudis want it.

The Saudis are just as crazy fanatical muslim as anyone in Iran. They just killed a woman for sorcery -t hey arrested a tv journalist for witchcraft and sorcery and he's still in jail - he wasn't even a citizen and this supposedly happened in HIS country - but they still might behead him.

If you worry about Iran, ask yourself, why don't you worry about the Saudis?
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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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I think it's too late to save the Tea Party. Sorry. But supporting Bachmann for as long as I did clearly shows they are in the same approx mental range as she is: Bat # crazy.

But I can answer your question about Paul and Iran: It's none of our business!

So some nutcase wants to destroy the ME, let them try.. Israel has nukes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Saudi Arabia has nukes, and Turkey has a superior military....... let them duke it out. Close our bases, shut down all operations around the World and let people deal with their own baggage.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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With their close ties to Russia, China and North Korea it won’t be long before they have a device and a great delivery system.

They do have subs, which is a far better delivery system than air plane because of its ability to remain undetectable until it’s too late!!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Ron Paul is the ONLY one running that has a TRUE INTEREST in mind for this country and its people. I am certain that the decisions he makes will be the right ones. We cannot continue with the BS that we have been dealing with for a LONG time now. The BS of the typical 'experienced' politician has brought us to near ruin. Its time for a change and Dr Paul will do the right thing and you can BET ON IT.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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I think it's too late to save the Tea Party. Sorry. But supporting Bachmann for as long as I did clearly shows they are in the same approx mental range as she is: Bat # crazy.


The Tea Party is alive and well…and MUCH more capable than OWS or any other movement – that’s a fact. Though it’s clear the Republican establishment is getting its hands deeper into it.

They were mostly behind Cain. Their main allegiance to Bachman stemmed from her starting the congressional Tea Party caucus.


But I can answer your question about Paul and Iran: It's none of our business! So some nutcase wants to destroy the ME, let them try.. Israel has nukes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Saudi Arabia has nukes, and Turkey has a superior military....... let them duke it out. Close our bases, shut down all operations around the World and let people deal with their own baggage.


Our national security is none of our business? Many people seem to quickly dismiss Iran’s threats to wipe the US off the map. Saudi Arabia has never threatened our existence.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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I'm sorry but the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East is not Iran but the USA.
If you want to add fuel to the fires of religious maniacs and fundamentalists around the world then Bachman is the way to go.
Interventionist US foreign policy is the best advertising for those who "hate you for your freedom"...



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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The BS of the typical 'experienced' politician has brought us to near ruin. Its time for a change and Dr Paul will do the right thing and you can BET ON IT.


Uh…Ron Paul IS an experienced politician….


Look, I agree with him on everything except his foreign policy, so we can skip the rest. Why do you think his foreign policy will make the US safer? After all, that’s the main duty of the President…to keep America safe.


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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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With their close ties to Russia, China and North Korea it won’t be long before they have a device and a great delivery system.

They do have subs, which is a far better delivery system than air plane because of its ability to remain undetectable until it’s too late!!


You are a fearful person...you need to focus on living your life without fear...There is not one thing any country, government, or other person, can do to prevent bad things from happening...they happen every day...the answer does not lie in taking up the sword first...



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
Why is it OK that Iran, the country that has threatened to destroy the US and our ally Israel, be allowed to have such a weapon?


Because in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. And on the contrary, it may ultimately be a stabilizing factor in the middle east. North Korea hasn't exactly been letting them fly since they got nukes...

How could Iran ever hope to deal with the stupidity and aftermath of attacking anyone with a nuke? Even a small nuke? Even a big nuke? Just one of our subs has enough firepower to obliterate that country.


What is his policy toward China and their aggressive trade practices? Put me at ease!! I know there are enough of you on here!!


RP is all about letting the market sort itself out, but in a fair way. If the trade agreements are favoring China too much, I have no reason to doubt he would probably push for more even agreements to make the US competitive in the marketplace. But I think he would also keep in mind the fact that we're broke, and that could affect his position on that issue further. Remember the economic disaster he would inherit. Desperate times call for desperate measures.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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I'm sorry but the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East is not Iran but the USA.

I don’t have that type of distain for my country…sorry! And the men and women who serve in our military don’t deserve to be called terrorists.


If you want to add fuel to the fires of religious maniacs and fundamentalists around the world then Bachman is the way to go. Interventionist US foreign policy is the best advertising for those who "hate you for your freedom"...


I agree with Ron Paul on this issue. The US shouldn’t be sticking its nose into other countries. Having said that, when do we take action against a country with nukes who has proclaimed they want to destroy us? Do we wait until DC and NYC are glass? Just saying!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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I agree with Ron Paul on this issue. The US shouldn’t be sticking its nose into other countries. Having said that, when do we take action against a country with nukes who has proclaimed they want to destroy us? Do we wait until DC and NYC are glass? Just saying!


When did we take action against the former USSR? What kind of action did we take against the former USSR?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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You are a fearful person...you need to focus on living your life without fear...There is not one thing any country, government, or other person, can do to prevent bad things from happening...they happen every day...the answer does not lie in taking up the sword first...


A quick look at history shows that men plot against each other and wars have been the norm throughout history….thousands of wars!

I’m not fearful – I’m justifiable concerned about my children’s future. When you live like a pacifist you become a victim…I’m nobody’s victim, sir.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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When did we take action against the former USSR? What kind of action did we take against the former USSR?


Have you ever heard of the Cold War?


We had a thing back then called mutually assured destruction. Unfortunately that only works with rational people, not religious nut jobs who aspire to be martyrs.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Yeah, the Swiss have really had a hard time with remaining neutral...Who said anything about pacifism?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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We need to get our fiscal house in order before we can even worry about other countries.Simply put we will be forced to abandon all of the issues with our foreign policy when we break ourselves trying to sustain the "status quot" of our current foreign policy.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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MAD means madness, otherwise known as insanity...rational people do not go around making ways to kill people...Frankly, I wish we could place the fighters, warriors, and war mongerers in some kind of big box, and do away with the whole bloody lot of you..



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
Ron Paul picked up yet another Tea Party endorsement today. In an article for American Thinker, Russ Paladino, co-founder of the grassroots group Staten Island LiberTEA and a former staff member of the Staten Island Tea Party, has openly endorsed Ron Paul. He lays out a very good argument for Paul and hits on one of the main things that worry me most about him – his foreign policy.


Why are we are so willing to dismiss the one candidate in this race who dares to highlight the undeniable truths about our foreign policy failures? How could it be that we are terrified to consider the concept of pulling back, regrouping, and retooling that which is demonstrably failing? It's not that our soldiers have not gone above and beyond everything we've asked them to do, and done it with heroism and honor. It's that we've seen fit to keep them deployed indefinitely in an ill-defined mission, where the concept of victory is far from clear. It is less patriotic to keep the status quo than to acknowledge our foreign policy failures and correct them. Don't we owe that much to the troops? Perhaps this is why Ron Paul is far and away the choice of active duty military in terms of campaign contributions?
American thinker.com

OK all of you Paul-ites out there! I’m open to what’s best for America so lay it on me!!!

Why should I not be so concerned about Ron Paul’s foreign policy? Why should I not be scared that he is totally cool with allowing the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East (Iran) acquire nuclear weapons? Why is it OK that Iran, the country that has threatened to destroy the US and our ally Israel, be allowed to have such a weapon? What is his policy toward China and their aggressive trade practices? Put me at ease!! I know there are enough of you on here!!


You're absolutely correct, sir. They don't have a single weapon yet, but in a year they might. And compared to Israel's 300, they *clearly* need our help or they wont survive.

Just because they don't have it yet doesn't mean we shouldn't invade and wipe them off the earth. Striking first is the only way to ensure there is peace. You are correct! War is peace, I'm glad you see this!

Didn't these people see Star Wars episode 3? The emperor makes it clear that if he destroys all opposition and controls the galaxy that we can finally have peace. So we just need to continue to bomb the world in order to HAVE PEACE!!!

I'm sure you also agree that its imperative we pass the bill that allows Americans to be detained indefinitely. Having people against the war, against world domination, against going after a country that might have a nuke in a year are people who are AGAINST PEACE and they need to be locked up until terror is defeated!

However there are people on this board who say the bill wont affect Americans. Even though former judges, active and former military, active senators, and even Jon Stewart all agree that it DOES affect us - we should ignore them and believe the random people on here who say it will not affect us. WHY? So we can start a petition to make sure that it *does* get put in there. Getting rid of all opponents to this attack on Iran is vital for peace, and as the great George Bush and Lord Vader said, "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." That's not an exact quote but they have the same idea, and that's the important thing to remember here.

We are with you buddy! Lets stop all who oppose us so we can continue our WAR ON PEACE! I MEAN OUR WAR FOR PEACE!!!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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with the current state of things in our country the last thing on any voters mind should be foreign policy. I understand that it is an issue, but seriously, we have glaringly larger issues right here at home.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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I don’t have that type of distain for my country…sorry! And the men and women who serve in our military don’t deserve to be called terrorists.

No wait you misunderstood me! I wasn't calling your troops terrorists.
What I meant is that previous US foreign policy caused the environment in which the so-called "terrorism" could thrive.
More of the same will not help to keep America safe.



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