All Men Are NOT Created Equal, page 1
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reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 02:20 PM by TDawgRex
reply to post by zarp3333



Right out of Animal Farm.

All are created equal....just some moreso than others.


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 02:41 PM by Viking9019
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No one is created equal! life depends on it.

And its all about brain development so you probably would get a thug from a black guy who lives in mansion and a banker form a white guy who lives on the streets in India........If not,the white guy would probably be the most intelligent anyway.
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reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 02:52 PM by beezzer
Originally posted by zarp3333
Given the chance to govern themselves, the dirty, unwashed, ill-bred and uneducated "citizens" shall murder, steal, pollute and destroy their own communities. They are neither deserving nor capable of handling freedom.

Natural Law dictates the enslavement of the weak and ignorant by the strong and intelligent for the good of all.

AboveTopSecret, Facebook, YouTube and America Idol have been designed as meaningless exercises to afford imaginary power to those who may believe themselves capable of participation.

I hope this got your attention because this is precisely what your government believes. It is an inescapable conclusion based simply on their actions. Any belief to the contrary is a measure of the degree to which you fit the descriptions above.


Who cares what the government thinks of me.
Really. Who gives a rats butt?
Governments job is to protect from invading armies, build roads, and deliver the mail.
Anything else they do is because we, as a people, have gotten too damned lazy to do ourselves.

If on the other hand you do believe all men were created equal and have been endowed with the ability to discern Truth, it is impossible to conclude anything other than any given group of men and women are naturally better at governing themselves than is any sub-set.


who defines the "sub-set"? You? Me? All men are created equal. Other men just like to think themselves better than others.

It makes no sense that given access to modern tools of communication, tools that most of use many times per day, we are satisfied with our government telling us that the group of us must wait TWO AND FOUR YEARS to express our inherently superior collective ideas!

Wake up. ATS is a



Anarchy much? Seriously, you have every right to vent, but when you've identified a "problem" what would be the "solution"?


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 03:07 PM by ZeroKnowledge

Natural Law dictates the enslavement of the weak and ignorant by the strong and intelligent for the good of all.

Really? Where in nature you see slavery? Natural law dictates survival of the fittest,that's it. Roaches are not smart as and their strength is unremarkable but their survived the dinosaurs.
And even in the same species there is no slavery. Strength is important only in species that need it. The same for intelligence. There are species that go for loudest croak, shiniest feathers, endurance and numerous other parameters.
In any way - people do enslave but it is only because humanity creates our own natural laws.Abstract power (not as strength but as social status) is really important. Not strength or intelligence.
As for

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

this is the ideal that people who wrote the constitution wanted to stress. It was not reality then,nor it is now. But it is getting better with time - for example you cannot legally treat those who you consider "the dirty, unwashed, ill-bred and uneducated "citizens" worse then others , and you could at the time when the lines above were written. So we move in right direction.


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 03:30 PM by zarp3333
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Zeroknowledge you could not be more aptly named or more foolish. I believe the principles in the Declaration of Independence were absolute, Natural Laws. They were not "ideals" as you refer to them.

Now go take a bath


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 03:39 PM by zarp3333
Originally posted by Viking9019
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post by BohemianBrim



No one is created equal! life depends on it.

And its all about brain development so you probably would get a thug from a black guy who lives in mansion and a banker form a white guy who lives on the streets in India........If not,the white guy would probably be the most intelligent anyway.
edit on 16/12/11 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)


I'm stunned anybody would write that. It's sad and an indictment on our society's level of education. Plato, the philosopher, not the dough, came to the conclusion that every human being has the capacity to tap into all the knowledge in the universe giving each man the capacity to recognize Truth or "Forms" as he called them.

Regardless of skin color, country of origin, it was a Human trait. Thomas Jefferson read all of Plato's work and referred to Plato's philosophy in the D of I and Constitution.


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 04:14 PM by Golden Rule
Originally posted by zarp3333
Originally posted by Viking9019
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post by BohemianBrim



No one is created equal! life depends on it.

And its all about brain development so you probably would get a thug from a black guy who lives in mansion and a banker form a white guy who lives on the streets in India........If not,the white guy would probably be the most intelligent anyway.
edit on 16/12/11 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)


I'm stunned anybody would write that. It's sad and an indictment on our society's level of education.


Really? Are you also stunned when in response to any criticism of Jewish identity, Jews and non-Jews alike begin listing Jewish accomplishments in the fields of scientific discovery and entertainment, then go on to quote statistics as to how they possess the highest I.Q. 's comparatively?

When this is done, I seldom see any of you "everyone is born equal" types arguing against it.


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 04:59 PM by Reptius
Originally posted by Viking9019
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post by BohemianBrim



No one is created equal! life depends on it.

And its all about brain development so you probably would get a thug from a black guy who lives in mansion and a banker form a white guy who lives on the streets in India........If not,the white guy would probably be the most intelligent anyway.
edit on 16/12/11 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)




Why would he be more the intelligent? Please explain why without saying "Because the other guy's black , silly."



reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 09:40 PM by zarp3333
Originally posted by Golden Rule
Originally posted by zarp3333
Originally posted by Viking9019
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post by BohemianBrim



No one is created equal! life depends on it.

And its all about brain development so you probably would get a thug from a black guy who lives in mansion and a banker form a white guy who lives on the streets in India........If not,the white guy would probably be the most intelligent anyway.
edit on 16/12/11 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)


I'm stunned anybody would write that. It's sad and an indictment on our society's level of education.


Really? Are you also stunned when in response to any criticism of Jewish identity, Jews and non-Jews alike begin listing Jewish accomplishments in the fields of scientific discovery and entertainment, then go on to quote statistics as to how they possess the highest I.Q. 's comparatively?

When this is done, I seldom see any of you "everyone is born equal" types arguing against it.


That's where You Are Wrong. You cannot argue with statistics that prove Jews have disproportionately higher levels of achievements in many fields. That is simply a fact. It should be lauded and made evident to all.

It's how one interprets the facts that is skewed. The fact that many of the best scientists in history does not prove people of Jewish ancestry have superior genes. As a matter of FACT most Jews in Germany came from mixed marriages. It's neither a genetic nor God given trait but the result of the cultural importance placed on education.

I am eternally grateful that I went to GWU, a school with a very high percentage of Jewish students. The competition forced me to be a better student. Half my frat bros were Jews and helped me to be a much better student.

There was also at that time very many Iranians and the very same trait was also true of them. To my lab partner organic lab partner Fareed, I say thanks. Without Ali Bilali, I never would have got a B in physical chemistry.

The problem lies in the misguided religious fanaticism of a small fraction of pyschos who believe not only are they divinely superior but must force the coming of Armageddon to call down the Messaih. Ironically, the same view is held by a small but powerful faction of Iranians.

Fact is that all men have the capacity for greatness. It's incumbent upon all of us to recognize our collective endowments, take back our right to govern ourselves and lock up the pyschos in Israel, the United States and Iran so the rest of us may get to work fixing the planet and live in harmony.


reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 10:28 PM by OmegaLogos
Explanation: S&F!

Here is where the concept of "All men are created equal" as used in the US Declaration of Independence comes from: John Locke ...



... and it SPECIFICALLY refers to the ability to determine ones OWN CHARACTER and has nothing to do with any other inherent human ability!

This philosophy is called EMPIRICISM!

Empiricism states that all men are born in the state of Tabular Rasa = Blank Slate ie all men are the authors of themselves, and therefor "All men are created equal".

Perosnal Disclosure: And it all starts with Descartes 'Cogito Ergo Sum' or more commonly known as "I Think, therefor I AM!".
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