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Originally posted by mikemck1976
When I saw this photo and story I knew I had to bring it to my fellow A.T.S.er’s…
My first reaction, unlike the MSM‘s, was not one of shock, but one of wonder.
Not “Why did they do that!?”
But, “I wonder what that means?”
Is it that they are sick of the war?
Is it just saying “We are counting ourselves lucky that we are not leaving Iraq in one of these caskets.”?
I my opinion, it means something, and I want to know what that something is.
(visit the link for the full news article)
This week, after The Post pressed for information contained in the Dover mortuary’s electronic database, the Air Force produced a tally based on those records. It showed that 976 fragments from 274 military personnel were cremated, incinerated and taken to the landfill between 2004 and 2008. An additional group of 1,762 unidentified remains were collected from the battlefield and disposed of in the same manner, the Air Force said. Those fragments could not undergo DNA testing because they had been badly burned or damaged in explosions. The total number of incinerated fragments dumped in the landfill exceeded 2,700.
By Travis Waldron on Dec 8, 2011 at 9:32 am
Last month, the Washington Post reported that the United States Air Force, while overseeing the Dover Air Force Base mortuary that receives the bodies of troops killed overseas, had cremated and disposed some remains and sent them to a landfill in King George County, Virginia. At the time, neither military officials nor Post reporters could verify the number of body parts that had been handled in such a way.
Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Originally posted by 46ACE
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
These are soldiers who have been up to their eyeballs in blood, guts and dying friends for who knows how many deployments each.
They're not soldiers, they're airmen. If they're up to their eyeballs in anything, it's not blood, guts, and dying friends. Probably beer.
Hey: air force pararescue,forward air controllers,and security folks eat as much mud as the next spec "operators". Granted Not everybody serves at f.o.b. "restrepo"! I take offense to you diminishing Serving Airmen.
Let see YOUR"dd 214"!
Whoa, settle down, eh? Having been in the USAF in my youth, it can be said that the grunts and jug-heads get more 'mud' and 'blood' but SURELY we had the higher intelligence level on them.
Sorry grunts and jugs, but why shoot for the ground when you can aim HIGH to the SKY.edit on 16-12-2011 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)
here is a link: www.patheos.com...
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by whyamIhere
These guys are bored out of their minds.
I just think it's kind of a souvenir.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
Ummmm...It's an official photo from the unit and they have some senior enlisted in the photo. This photo was published in the Air Force times and there is a large investigation underway...
The photo was reportedly taken in August but only recently published in the Air Force Times. An investigation is now underway. “I don’t know whether any rules have been violated,” says David E. Smith, spokesman for the unit. And therein is the problem.
I have to agree with you as well, when I was in, we would do some crazy stuff that was probably questionable to civilians sense of humor, but your right about blowing off steam, and the stresses of being a troop.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by mikemck1976
Military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy.
Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by 46ACE
This is what I found inregards to there crossed arms..
Most of the Airmen in the photo, among them at least one technical sergeant and one staff sergeant, have their arms in front of them, their wrists crossed and held just below their neck – a hand signal used by aerial port squadron Airmen to mean “stop” or “cargo load secured.”
The 345th TS at Fort Lee is the Air Force’s air transport and transportation schoolhouse. While Airmen in training there are not schooled on dignified transfer of remains, a spokesman for the unit told Air Force Times that transfer cases such as the one that appears in the photo are kept at the base.
An Army staff sergeant who sent the photo to the paper told Air Force Times the image was uploaded to a Facebook page in October and spotted by a former soldier after a friend was tagged in it.
Staff Sgt. Elias Bonilla told the paper that when the person in the photo was contacted about it, he laughed it off. The former soldier began sending the image to other friends, until Bonilla got hold of it and emailed it to the paper.
“I cannot help but picture the faces of my dead [soldiers] that we drug out of burning vehicles, dug out from collapsed buildings,” Bonilla told the paper in an email.
The Air Force’s Air Education and Training Command at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas, which oversees all training units in the Air Force, ordered an investigation after being contacted by the paper.
AETC spokesman David Smith said it would take about two weeks to wrap up the investigation.
I guess in 2 weeks we may find out the results of the investigation.