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Originally posted by Curling1
This seems to be more of a question of faith rather than religeon.
If you focus your faith on GOD through Jesus the Christ and find that still small voice, answers will come.
As a Zoroastrian we are told to renew our faith daily to GOD through His son Jesus the Christ.
(then I open my eyes to start my day)
I went through 6 months of depression when I became disabled and when I decided to turn to GOD I was asked not to return to one church and bullied out of another from people that dont know the facts or what or why .
I am in no place to judge another as others judge me.
Your expierence has happened to several people and they are the ones that need to decide what to do with the information.
I pray that you will feel GOD's love through his son.
May your worst tribulation be past and peace in your furure.
Originally posted by MugenShinzoku
reply to post by cloudyday
Nobody can accurately tell you what your dream or vision means. There are a ton of factors involved, like the state of mind you were in when it happened or what your feelings about Christianity were at that specific time... How did you feel in his presence? Your interpretation of the message is dead on with the message I received awhile back when I was meditating. Whether we like it or not, dualities make up this universe. To put it simply, Light does not contradict the darkness or vice versa. They compliment each other. Light implies darkness and vice versa. So in a way, it is necessary to have evil because it implies or compliments good. Just like death is necessary for life. If you look at the world in this way you will feel a oneness with the universe. Just separate parts of the same whole. A whole, which we tend to call "god". Think of yourself as only but one face of god. The reason you may feel as though you must ditch your old values is because Christianity, along with most other religions, are based on authority, punishment, or reward. In essence, it is ran by the fear of the unknown. Please don't get me wrong, there are some really good Christian's out there and I applaud them, but lets be honest with ourselves. How many Christian's follow the bible to the T 24/7? No one... Thats why they added that little nifty "ask Jesus for forgiveness" spill. But how many ask for forgiveness and go back to the same ways in a matter of weeks if not hours. Not to bash the good Christian's on here but seriously think about it. But to answer your question as to which religion goes along the lines of your vision, I'd say it'd be worth checking out Hinduism or Zen Buddhism.
Originally posted by MugenShinzoku
reply to post by cloudyday
To put it simply, Light does not contradict the darkness or vice versa. They compliment each other. Light implies darkness and vice versa. So in a way, it is necessary to have evil because it implies or compliments good. Just like death is necessary for life. If you look at the world in this way you will feel a oneness with the universe. Just separate parts of the same whole. A whole, which we tend to call "god".
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by MugenShinzoku
reply to post by cloudyday
To put it simply, Light does not contradict the darkness or vice versa. They compliment each other. Light implies darkness and vice versa. So in a way, it is necessary to have evil because it implies or compliments good. Just like death is necessary for life. If you look at the world in this way you will feel a oneness with the universe. Just separate parts of the same whole. A whole, which we tend to call "god".
This was brought up in another thread and I'm going to copy my same response:
No, light helps you to recognize darkness and vice versa, it does not mean it is one. It helps to prove the difference between the two. This is one of the great lies that I posted earlier. The reason good and evil (light and darkness) exist together is to be able to recognize the difference. Nothing more. What you'll realize is that there will never be peace until evil (darkness) is eliminated. Do you think that the world was created to live in constant disharmony? No, it's a life lesson to be able to recognize the difference, so you'll truly appreciate good and light when it comes and evil (darkness) is destroyed. Without knowing the difference, you would never appreciate it for what it really is.
The reason there is death in the first place is because of darkness and evil. It's not to compliment life. We weren't created to die, but we will because of evil and darkness. Unfortunately, the truth doesn't make itself known to those who live in darkness until after death.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by cloudyday
It shouldn't be just a traditional Christian perspective. Any one should be able recognize that good and evil don't balance out each other. Common sense should tell you that it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole barrel and it will eventually turn out that way. Look around you. Does good and evil appear balanced to you? Does one appear to be taking over and winning the battle? Do you think greed and power is going to give up and roll over some day? Is that what history has taught you? No, history tells us that greed and power reaches it's peak and then there's a war where someone else takes over to perpetuate more greed and power. Now that man has nukes, do you think the vicious cycle is always going to be capable of continuing?? Both can't exist together forever.
The Bhagavad Gita begins before the start of the climactic battle at Kurukshetra, with the Pandava prince Arjuna becoming filled with doubt on the battlefield. Realizing that his enemies are his own relatives, beloved friends, and revered teachers, he turns to his charioteer and guide, Krishna, for advice.
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Krishna counsels Arjuna on the greater idea of dharma, or universal harmony and duty. He begins with the tenet that the soul (Atman) is eternal and immortal.[35] Any 'death' on the battlefield would involve only the shedding of the body, whereas the soul is permanent. Arjuna's hesitation stems from a lack of accurate understanding of the 'nature of things,' the privileging of the unreal over the real. His fear and hesitance become impediments to the proper balancing of the universal dharmic order.
To demonstrate his divine nature, Krishna grants Arjuna the boon of cosmic vision (albeit temporary) and allows the prince to see his 'Universal Form' (this occurs in the eleventh chapter).[41] He reveals that he is fundamentally both the ultimate essence of Being in the universe and also its material body, called the Vishvarupa ('Universal Form').
Originally posted by cloudyday
What is good and evil - who knows which is which? Maybe every event serves some ultimate purpose but when we view events in an ego-centric way we inevitably see good and evil. We call the things we like "good" and the things we don't like "evil", but maybe we should accept that everything is God's will.
The feeling I got from my experience was that the world is like a book and it would be a really boring book without some conflict between "good" and "evil".
But ultimately none of it matters because we are really not here in this world. The real world is outside time and space and causality.
I don't understand or remember much of it, but when I was in that state it was like I understood everything and I didn't want to return to this state. It was like somebody was trying to change the way I live this phony life by showing me it doesn't really matter what I do as long as I start taking some risks to make the story more interesting.
Originally posted by cloudyday
Originally posted by MugenShinzoku
reply to post by cloudyday
In other words, free will doesn't exist. I haven't been able to think of any religion with that kind of belief. Also the idea that this life is just a form of amusement for another life. I have seen some people posting about life being a dream and that is the closest I have seen.
If a person believes these things, life seems to be pointless. In the back of my mind I do believe this, and I need to find a way to turn it around into something positive?edit on 17-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by MugenShinzoku
reply to post by cloudyday
This was brought up in another thread and I'm going to copy my same response:
No, light helps you to recognize darkness and vice versa, it does not mean it is one. It helps to prove the difference between the two. This is one of the great lies that I posted earlier. The reason good and evil (light and darkness) exist together is to be able to recognize the difference. Nothing more. What you'll realize is that there will never be peace until evil (darkness) is eliminated. Do you think that the world was created to live in constant disharmony? No, it's a life lesson to be able to recognize the difference, so you'll truly appreciate good and light when it comes and evil (darkness) is destroyed. Without knowing the difference, you would never appreciate it for what it really is.
The reason there is death in the first place is because of darkness and evil. It's not to compliment life. We weren't created to die, but we will because of evil and darkness. Unfortunately, the truth doesn't make itself known to those who live in darkness until after death.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by cloudyday
What is good and evil - who knows which is which? Maybe every event serves some ultimate purpose but when we view events in an ego-centric way we inevitably see good and evil. We call the things we like "good" and the things we don't like "evil", but maybe we should accept that everything is God's will.
Everything is God's will. But it's all being done to show you the difference between the two. He gave you free will to choose between the two.
The feeling I got from my experience was that the world is like a book and it would be a really boring book without some conflict between "good" and "evil".
Really? Just to keep life from being boring? You might want to do more research on that one.
But ultimately none of it matters because we are really not here in this world. The real world is outside time and space and causality.
Yes, we are really here in this world. The world outside time and space is eternity. That is the world that all of us will enter into after THIS life is over, but it is all equally real.
I don't understand or remember much of it, but when I was in that state it was like I understood everything and I didn't want to return to this state. It was like somebody was trying to change the way I live this phony life by showing me it doesn't really matter what I do as long as I start taking some risks to make the story more interesting.
This life does matter and it will affect your next one in the eternal world. I would love to know what you think the "risks" are that you need to take to in order to make it more interesting. What would be the purpose of that if none of it is "real" anyway? How does an interesting fake life affect the eternal world?
I've been wondering if there is a religion that matches those ideas.
Everything is God's will. But it's all being done to show you the difference between the two. He gave you free will to choose between the two.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by cloudyday
Really? Just to keep life from being boring? You might want to do more research on that one.
Yes, we are really here in this world. The world outside time and space is eternity. That is the world that all of us will enter into after THIS life is over, but it is all equally real.