Affirmitive Action Scam?

I think that a lot of people misunderstand what AA is really about.

It isn't about hiring unqualified people or firms, as most here assert, over qualified whites...which is pretty blatantly racist in and of itself, i.e. minorities are automatically less qualified and capable than whites.

It is about rectifying consistently not hiring qualified minorities when there is a choice between two equally qualified candidates, one white and one minority. Time and again, I've witnessed the more qualified minority rejected over a less-qualified white firm: that is what AA tried to end.

As a practicing Native American, I've endured tons of covert and overt discrimination in my lifetime, from having to have white girl friends rent apartments for me when I was refused due to "none available" to people speaking slowly and loudly to me as if I didn't understand English. I've had jobs and positions refused because I choose to wear my hair in the traditional manner, because I follow the old ways, and because I'm not Christian.

I worked construction for years and have seen plenty of shoddy work by white crews, as well as minorities. I've also seen far more meth-heads among the whites. Doing speed helps keep production up and most supers turn a blind eye to it unless the mistakes and injuries exceed acceptable levels. I've seen a lot more drinking by them too.

AA isn't about forcing employers to hire unqualified people, it is about sharing the wealth and not hogging it exclusively to one group.

One of the ironic things is that AA originally was meant to help white women, not minorities. But once the gate was opened, it was hard to argue to restrict it to just white women without being obviously and blatantly racist.

reply to post by apacheman


First of all, welcome back Apacheman.

I think that a lot of people misunderstand what AA is really about.

Including the people that say they understand it.

It isn't about hiring unqualified people or firms, as most here assert, over qualified whites...which is pretty blatantly racist in and of itself, i.e. minorities are automatically less qualified and capable than whites.

I don't think anyone has said that the minorities are "unqualified people", just that there are more qualified people of the majority.

It is about rectifying consistently not hiring qualified minorities when there is a choice between two equally qualified candidates, one white and one minority. Time and again, I've witnessed the more qualified minority rejected over a less-qualified white firm: that is what AA tried to end.

Unfortunately all AA is doing is causing people to think that minorities are lazy or not quite smart enough.

As a practicing Native American, I've endured tons of covert and overt discrimination in my lifetime, from having to have white girl friends rent apartments for me when I was refused due to "none available" to people speaking slowly and loudly to me as if I didn't understand English. I've had jobs and positions refused because I choose to wear my hair in the traditional manner, because I follow the old ways, and because I'm not Christian.

These people are bigots, this has nothing to do with AA though unless you can prove you were more qualified for the jobs you applied for.

I worked construction for years and have seen plenty of shoddy work by white crews, as well as minorities. I've also seen far more meth-heads among the whites. Doing speed helps keep production up and most supers turn a blind eye to it unless the mistakes and injuries exceed acceptable levels. I've seen a lot more drinking by them too.

I too have worked construction, in particular roofing, and I have seen shoddy work as well, by whites and minorities. Does this mean that the whole trade is "white meth-heads"? No. I worked with blacks that smoked dope and Indians that drank and gambled. Does this mean they all do? No. You are lumping people into categories...careful, you don't want to be labeled a bigot.

AA isn't about forcing employers to hire unqualified people, it is about sharing the wealth and not hogging it exclusively to one group.

In theory yes, but what it is doing is dividing races and causing bad feelings towards minorities.

Definition:

Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin" into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination.


This is discriminatory by itself. The best person should get hired. Not the best of a particular group. Having a quota is horribly irresponsible.

One of the ironic things is that AA originally was meant to help white women, not minorities. But once the gate was opened, it was hard to argue to restrict it to just white women without being obviously and blatantly racist.

No it wasn't.
The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States. It first appeared in Executive Order 10925, which was signed by President John F. Kennedy on March 6, 1961, and it was used to refer to measures to achieve non-discrimination. In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order 11246 which required federal contractors to take "affirmative action" to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin. In 1968, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.[2] Matching procedures in other countries are also known as reservation in India, positive discrimination in the United Kingdom, and employment equity in Canada.

I am all for equality, but, it must be equal for everyone, not just minorities.

I'll let Chris Rock cover this because he does so in a funny manner.

But if you're too lazy to listen to good stand-up bit, the bottom line is that African-American blacks were bred to be big, strong, and ignorant. That's right, the dumber a slave was the better, and it was even illegal for them to read.

I grew up poor in a tough situation, so I couldn't care less about helping blacks because they're financially disadvantaged, but this is about how the white man seriously changed a genetic line with breeding.

Other ethnic groups can go jump in a lake, or rob the white man with casinos, but African-American blacks got the rawest deal on earth.
African-Africans, though, should get no special treatment.

There is not a race on Earth that hasn't been take as a slave. In the past it was common practice. Rome had slavery, Greece, the world over there was slavery. It is just a matter of how recent is it. In Britain there was a endentured servant, a person forced into being a slave, if they left, they were drought back: they were slaves. Can anyone really say that in the world now there will not be slaves.

reply to post by s12345


Wait a minute!

Are you saying that people being treated negativly because of race doesnt happen anymore? If so, you have lost your mind!

It still happens and all the time!

Make the behavior go away, and racism will become a non- issue. Until then it is what it is.

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
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Wait a minute!

Are you saying that people being treated negativly because of race doesnt happen anymore? If so, you have lost your mind!

It still happens and all the time!

Make the behavior go away, and racism will become a non- issue. Until then it is what it is.

I hope that isn't what he/she meant. However, AA is also a cause of minorities being treated unfairly. If I was benefiting from AA I would feel like I was inferior, like a child almost. You would get mad if a 19 year old man took a pee in your living room, but, a 2 year old would be forgiven. Isn't it time no one race got benefits that other races are not entitled to?

The only way for the behavior to go away is for silliness like AA to go away as well.

Why always concentrate on the same groups. People care very little for certain groups in this world and as race is a hot potato different races aren't any of them. It is a strange situations where people do not care about abuse amputees, bigotry of other groups fat people disabled, disability, those dying, homelessness, orphans,those without medical insurance.

As quoted by Martin Luthor king, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
-- "I Have a Dream" speech, August 28, 1963
He wanted equality, and equality is people being treated the same. Affirmitive action and racial quotas is about people being treated differently. Positive discrimination is just normal discrimination against more people. Some people do not like discrimination, and that is why I hate preferential treatment, to me it is unjust, and you cannot cure one injustice with another. Also affirmitive action is about people being judged by the colour of their skin and so I do not approve.

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Affirmative Action does not have Authority outside of businesses.

However as MLK said about a dream that people wont be treated different because of skin color. That still hasnt happaned, and his dream has not happaned.

Sooooo.

Sure get rid of affirmative action, and america goes back to how it was, minus slavery.

So many other racial issues in america. This AA is a non issue.

Except to white people.

It is wrong, it is disgusting and an affront to humanity.

It is nothing more than a shakedown operation and legitimises, via the state, the difference in treatment of people according to the colour of their ski- it reinforces division and group think

Anyone involved in it is utter scum, vermin

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
So many other racial issues in america. This AA is a non issue.

Except to white people.

ridiculous comment, I know black and asian people who oppose it, seems you are guilty of racism

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
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Affirmative Action does not have Authority outside of businesses.

However as MLK said about a dream that people wont be treated different because of skin color. That still hasnt happaned, and his dream has not happaned.

Sooooo.

Sure get rid of affirmative action, and america goes back to how it was, minus slavery.

So many other racial issues in america. This AA is a non issue.

Except to white people.

Not just business but government as well. MLK's dream hasn't happened and won't until AA is done away with. You can't have one or more race given preferential treatment and then scream about equality. AA is an issue, and yes, it is also to white people, but, all it is succeeding in doing is causing another chasm between races. Why should an individual of a particular race, who doesn't do as well as another individual from another race, be given a job that they are less qualified for? Until someone explains that to me so that it makes sense, I will always still believe in TRUE equality.

the bottom line is that certain individuals will always have racist views however it is fundamentally different for the STATE to enact legislation treating people differently according to race- I mean that should be friggin obvious and is just state sponsored racism

Pathetic

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Ohhhhhh ok i get it!

Your saying if AA is eliminated, racism will be too!

How much you willing to bet on that!!!! Lol

Im sure there are plenty of racist on here that will gladly point out to you that there racism comes not becaus of AA, rather because they genuinly have a hate for blacks.

But, i will except that bet. Shyt there are people rightmnow as we speak in america teaching their children how to hate blacks.

Lol

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
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Ohhhhhh ok i get it!

Your saying if AA is eliminated, racism will be too!

How much you willing to bet on that!!!! Lol

Im sure there are plenty of racist on here that will gladly point out to you that there racism comes not becaus of AA, rather because they genuinly have a hate for blacks.

But, i will except that bet. Shyt there are people rightmnow as we speak in america teaching their children how to hate blacks.

Lol

yet another racist who limits their frame of reference in racist matters to it being purely a white thing.


Utterly woeful

reply to post by blueorder


Your right state and federal agencies should have the right to discriminate by race.

And doing so is pathetic, wait! Oh and NOT doing so is pathetic.

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Uhhhhh..... How am i racist.

reply to post by blueorder


Ummmm where in there did i mention anything about the color white?!

Hmmmmmm???!!!! where?

You said it not me!

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
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Uhhhhh..... How am i racist.

Isnt it obvious? Affirmative action is racism.

The only non-discriminatory policy is based on merit. Affirmative action is institutionalised racism. How can you justify to a racist (of any color) that his ideas are wrong, when racist policy is openly practiced by the government?

If it were about bigotry then any minority in any part of the world would be included, a white person in Africa, or in a coloured neighbourhood etc..... not just particular groups, it would be based upon where you were, how could a person in a neighbourhood full of their race be discriminated against on race in tat area.