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The Most Precious Thing They Take From Us

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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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It’s not the fruits of our labour, it’s not liberty – although those things are vitally important – no, the most precious thing that the powers-that-be steal from us is:

TIME



Remember when it was common for middle-class, and many working-class families to be formed by a husband who works and a wife who has the (arguably more difficult) job of keeping the house and taking care of the children? Well that’s a thing of the past, as most of us are painfully aware.

Effect: Children are raised by ‘teachers’, nannies, facebook and television; healthy, home-made meals are more difficult to find time to prepare; organic, home-grown vegetables cannot be tended to; relaxation time for both parents is spent cleaning and organizing.

But I digress… I believe there’s been a slow, incremental increase in demands on our time over the last half-century at least. Some of that increase is our own fault – we MUST check internet, we MUST watch a certain amount of TV – but much of it is due to slow-rising income tax rates which cause a greater demand on our working time, on long-commutes due to the lack of naturally-available local jobs, traffic due to population increases.

And whilst we’re pre-occupied by long-working hours, long commutes, attempting to bond with our families in those spare couple of hours we have a day, it means we have little-to-no time to spend truly and fully researching the truths about our society and government. We also have little-to-no time to get involved in activism (that privilege seems to be reserved for the perpetually unemployed who, living on benefits, tend to get active in favour of Socialism). We have no time to keep a close eye on bills and legislations that our elected leaders pass. And on another note, we have no time for hobbies, art, proper socalisation and general joy and merriment. In short, our lack of time means we can’t properly defend our liberty, prosperity and happiness.

I know some people manage to find plenty of free time, but before you accuse me or others of not organizing our time well, be aware that this is the reality for many people – no matter how well organized we are. You wake up, travel an hour to work, get home at 6-7pm, do your shopping, chores and cooking, sit down and relax for an hour with the family and then head off to bed. And that’s if you’re lucky enough not to have to work a 2nd job.




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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I totally agree!

It's a modern form of (economic) slavery. Unless you are willing to give everything up, you will have no choice.

Here in the Netherlands we have a lot of taxes, property tax, medical obliged (monthly around 100 dollars (for the most simple insurance)

We have robots and computers... less work? No, More! work..

Why? because the robots did not help the worker, it replaced the workers.

Robots should be the property of the people who's job it replaces.

Robots are an example, but every innovation for humanity gets kidnapped by the rich who use it to either enslave more people, or dispose them.


In the Netherlands you can not be independent. Either you have a job, and pay all your taxes, or... You get a welfare sum from the government (And then you can give half of it back for taxes)

So it is OK to deliver money and it is OK to cost money, but it is not OK to be independent

Why? Because they want to be able to pull your strings.



edit on 16-12-2011 by EartOccupant because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Overall I agree with your statement about time. I have been on both sides of the work vs home situation and I can say that even when I stayed at home with my kids, I still never had time to do so many things that I intended to.

When I worked jobs my time was even more squeezed, and I constantly felt the guilt of not being home with my kids. I wasn't a very productive worker either because I had a hard time separating home from work. I admire people who can do it, but I struggled with it.

And I consider myself a lucky person because I had my husband to help me. How single parents do what they do just blows my mind.

I think that we have simply over extended ourselves on many levels. We juggle so much and multitasking is simply not healthy. It's like, we can do 10 things a day kinda good, or we can do 6 things a day somewhat better, or we can do 3 things a day, really really well. Our quality of life is increased when we are able to focus and dedicate our time to meaningful things in a meaningful way.

I will say this, go out into the country and watch how everything slows down. I originally come from a very rural area and everytime I go back to visit, it is like a weight is lifted off me. The majority of people in my home area would be considered "poor" by most standards, but they seem happier than a lot of the insanity that I see in the metropolitan areas. They also drive really slow down country lanes and have time to fish and hunt and get together for fish frys and barbecues...it is a different mindset.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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Absolutely Spot On !

When I read the title of your post, I was wondering if wisdom would shine trough.

It did ! S&F

TIME is the most valuable thing we possess.

When we lose and/or waste our time it is the only thing we can Never get back.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by EartOccupant
We have robots and computers... less work? No, More! work..

Imagine if computers had lightened our load for us, halving our working time but providing the same economic prosperity...

We'd all be growing our own food, socialising and discussing the state of things, imparting wisdom carried down from father to son - mother to daughter, reading up on who controls what in society and whether it is right or not, philosophising, getting active in the community, raising our kids instead of letting the propaganda-machines called schools to it, walking and cycling more places (not using fuel - one of the most lucrative control methods around)...

For those who own and control the World, the above MUST be avoided at all costs in order for them to maintain their dominance. So when computers came to help work and produce... taxes go up, economy becomes unstable, property taxes and prices increase, company taxes go up forcing the ratio between salaries paid and working living costs to increase... basically anything that can be done to force the average person (and his wife) to work the longest hours possible.


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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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My wife used to be a stay at home mother for years which was nice because all the odds and end would be cleared up daily. This gave us time to spend with our children and me and the wife has plenty of time to tend to the relationship.

Recently with the rising costs of just about everything my wife was forced to go and work full time. We put our youngest boy in day care which was an extra kid to get ready in the morning, not to mention an extra stop on the way to work. After she got home she gad to go collect our kids from daycares and babysitters. This required we get a second car. So now we have the extra cost of daycare and a second car which ate up 3/4 of her new found income. This meant I had to start working extra hours at work to offset these costs and cutting back on leisure money.
now keeping the house clean is an uphill battle in itself. We spend the first few hours after we get home both preparing dinner and cleaning up after it. The next few hours are spent getting the kids homework prepared and baths and bedtime. Once the kids are in bed we do laundry and prepare lunches for the next day. On a week night our job ends at about 10:30 to 11:00. Tired we end up going to bed only to start over the next day.

Weekends are no longer about leisure or spending time with the kids. We take care of the loose ends we neglected during the week. We end up doing things like groceries and other running around. I finish side projects or fix the vehicles as I cannot afford going to the mechanic.

Basically we feel as though we work all the time. It never stops and I'm always exhausted, so is she. Now our kids are getting bad attitudes because they get less attention and aren't as cooperative. This adds to the frustration and usually prolongs our regular tasks.

I don't know the last time we had family time, relationship time etc. We even stopped visiting family due to lack of time. We don't have time for friends anymore, I don't remember the last time I had someone at the house either.

My wife broke down the other night crying. She is depressed and stressed out. I'm a little more used to this as I've been doing it for a few years but still find it tough. We can't go back to one income because it would cripple us financially but I don't know how much longer she can deal with this. Its driving her to drink and she is no longer herself. The kids are getting worse and I cannot address their problems anymore. I simply don't have time. There are days I don't sit down longer than five minutes.

Its absolutely insane. And all because we needed a second income.

Great points OP. You hit the nail on the head.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Sorry to hear that, and as sad as your circumstances is, it’s exactly the sort I was referring to in my OP because it’s the standard state of affairs for most Western families nowadays. My situation would be near identical to yours if I had kids. I have dogs, and walking, training and feeding them is time-consuming but not nearly as much I know. To be honest, time constraints are what put me off having kids – something I desperately want.

One would be forgiven for thinking that all of this is, as much as anything, designed to undermine the traditional family. We barely have the time to raise our own kids anymore – having been forced into debt and taxation slavery (ultimately due to land ownership) – and our familial relationships are suffering. It’s not good. It distracts us from the things that matter – none more so than liberty and knowledge.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by EartOccupant
We have robots and computers... less work? No, More! work..

Imagine if computers had lightened our load for us, halving our working time but providing the same economic prosperity...

We'd all be growing our own food, socialising and discussing the state of things, imparting wisdom carried down from father to son - mother to daughter, reading up on who controls what in society and whether it is right or not, philosophising, getting active in the community, raising our kids instead of letting the propaganda-machines called schools to it, walking and cycling more places (not using fuel - one of the most lucrative control methods around)...

For those who own and control the World, the above MUST be avoided at all costs in order for them to maintain their dominance. So when computers came to help work and produce... taxes go up, economy becomes
unstable, property taxes and prices increase, company taxes go up forcing the ratio between salaries paid and
working living costs to increase... basically anything that can be done to force the average person (and his wife) to work the longest hours possible.


We can turn the tables on them. We can use OUR computers to point at them! Imagine 200,000,000 computers focused on Congress. For instance, what if 200 of us on ATS agreed to split the defense bill up and read it? What if we used our computers to find out which congressmen proposed which amendment? What if we then used the ATS model of starting sub threads for discussions?

Simply uncovering the information and bringing attention to it has an effect in the real world. Focusing intent will cause effects. Let our computers and the Law of Attraction turn the tables.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by zarp3333

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by EartOccupant
We have robots and computers... less work? No, More! work..

Imagine if computers had lightened our load for us, halving our working time but providing the same economic prosperity...

We'd all be growing our own food, socialising and discussing the state of things, imparting wisdom carried down from father to son - mother to daughter, reading up on who controls what in society and whether it is right or not, philosophising, getting active in the community, raising our kids instead of letting the propaganda-machines called schools to it, walking and cycling more places (not using fuel - one of the most lucrative control methods around)...

For those who own and control the World, the above MUST be avoided at all costs in order for them to maintain their dominance. So when computers came to help work and produce... taxes go up, economy becomes
unstable, property taxes and prices increase, company taxes go up forcing the ratio between salaries paid and
working living costs to increase... basically anything that can be done to force the average person (and his wife) to work the longest hours possible.


We can turn the tables on them. We can use OUR computers to point at them! Imagine 200,000,000 computers focused on Congress. For instance, what if 200 of us on ATS agreed to split the defense bill up and read it? What if we used our computers to find out which congressmen proposed which amendment? What if we then used the ATS model of starting sub threads for discussions?

Simply uncovering the information and bringing attention to it has an effect in the real world. Focusing intent will cause effects. Let our computers and the Law of Attraction turn the tables.


Won't happen. People too busy twittering and playing Facebook and farmville. And trust me if you seen the state of mostnpeoples computers like I get to they are nothing for the govt to be afraid of.

The problem with organizing a nation for a cause is waking 90% of them up out of their koolaid induced trance.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
reply to post by metaldemon2000
 

Sorry to hear that, and as sad as your circumstances is, it’s exactly the sort I was referring to in my OP because it’s the standard state of affairs for most Western families nowadays. My situation would be near identical to yours if I had kids. I have dogs, and walking, training and feeding them is time-consuming but not nearly as much I know. To be honest, time constraints are what put me off having kids – something I desperately want.

One would be forgiven for thinking that all of this is, as much as anything, designed to undermine the traditional family. We barely have the time to raise our own kids anymore – having been forced into debt and taxation slavery (ultimately due to land ownership) – and our familial relationships are suffering. It’s not good. It distracts us from the things that matter – none more so than liberty and knowledge.



Tell me about it. The problem is most people are beginning to neglect their families and responsibilities in pursuit of a social life. Social lives have been portrayed by the MSM of being of the utmost importance. This is so wrong its not even funny. At least my family life suffers because I attempt to take care of my responsibility. I know alot of folks who have given up though. No wonder there is so much child neglect and heavy drug use in society. In a way I kind of don't blame people. There is so many high expectations in the society now. One can only take so much.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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hi op
i agree with 99% of what u say
but wen it comes to benefits
ive been claiming them for 4 yrs (im in the uk)
i had to give up work to look after my daughter 3-5 times a week in hospital (heart surgerys)
now she is well and im looking for work...
my goodness what a shock..there is next to bugger all work and ive been trying hard

in 1989 i was 13 yr old and fosterd by elderly people
foster mum was in her 50s and foster dad 70s
foster dad was a rear gunner in a hallifax bomber during ww2
he seen a lot of action
after leaving the raf he worked at crona pops (soda)
and in them days he worked his way up to a regional manager
and the company bought him a house which he payed back with no interest
they raised 12 kids (no telly lol)

basically its like what i was told
1 mans job was enough to support a mortgage a wife and a couple of kids and still have money left
nowadays its the man and wife have to work to keep the house afloat

sorry if ive gone of topic but
yeh the government bring up our children through the education system
im svery suprised at a few of the things my daughter comes out with
and it all comes from what shes learning at school

cheers op i was going to delete this but i thought...sod it

regards
dave



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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(CAVEAT:This guys east coast "style" is a bit tough to listen to for too long; and he started rich:
but alot of his entrepreneurial message rings true:
YOU have so many technical advantages; folks even 10 years ago didn't have! stop whining and get busy!



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Time is definitely the worst thing taken from us, just about everything else is secondary. Money, take it as I can print more. Hurt me, I'll heal and you're going to feel and KNOW my wrath.

Time... they got you, me and everyone.

Derek



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Do you think the Frontiers people had spare time? I mean, ANY? at all. No, they didn't. They were always working.

It's nothing new.
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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Yes it's a major problem but to many of us ignore it. The people in charge tell us this is the way our lives have to be . that we have to work ourselves to the bone just to survive and many of us follow it. All so we can buy their products and give them our money. It's good to see some people are waking up to this epidemic though.
Hopefully we can soon have a solution.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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I agree with everything in your post except for the first part about facebook, nannies, etc. I think good parents are good parents and wives went to work because they wanted to and not out of necessity. Good parents still exist and manage to raise their children the right way whilst leading successful careers. Like I said I do agree with everything else though. There isn't much time for hobbies and there isn't much time to pay close attention to what congress is doing outside of the couple things the MSM distracts us with every now and then.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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We're overburdened to the breaking point. For most of us, to barely break even and live for another day.

We somehow got to the point where we could only relax and take in the sun for a satisfying amount of time while on vacation.

Now we don't even get that.

Beautiful situation we've gotten ourselves into. No time for ourselves. No time for our families. Only time for our manmade indentured servitude.
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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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I think we should all move to a 4 day work week TOMORROW. 4 days on and 3 days off is far more conducive to a healthy life. Are you suggesting that a majority would not favor this change?

Are we not a democracy then?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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I couldn't agree more. We have worked very hard and raised 3 children. For about the first 15 years my wife was a stay at home mom, but at some point it became necessary to be a 2 income household. The truth is what we needed was benefits. When medical insurance became so pricey it infringed on what I could generate through my business. Eventually between the medical insurance and taxes we are in the same boat as others who have posted here. Busy days and weekends full of chores that we don't have time or energy for during the week. Not much time for socializing left over.

You have to wonder if this is all by design. I mean if you wanted to completely dominate a population, for any number of reasons, politics, slavery or fill in the blank, you need to keep them blind. One way is to occupy their time. Working long hours and watching reality shows and tending farms on facebook does a pretty good job of that. Keep them sedated. Do you for a second believe that there is actually a war on drugs? The legal drug companies have been putting out enough mind numbing drugs to sedate half the country for the last 20 years.

Just in case there is anybody left who is actually paying attention, make sure that any important legislation is muddled in 1500 pages of gibberish that no sane person could get through. Then for kick release a constant stream of conflicting misinforamtion to keep people off balance.

I could go on, but you probably get the point.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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The master of time is the master of life.

But when a person gets caught-up in, trapped in, an endless time-sucking lifestyle - not of their choice - here's what happens:

They lose the time for self-study, self-improvement, exploration and creation.

They lose the time to cultivate their health.

This OP touches on the key conspiracy of our modern age.



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