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HOLD UP! Who said Lucifer is evil?

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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Yes Lucifer is logically convincing, which makes him all the more dangerous. I'm not going to waste my time reasoning with him or his pawns. Eve made the mistake of giving him the time of day and were paying for it now.

I am pretty sure all the people screaming up from hell are trying to warn anyone who follows him of their error, if only you could hear their cries.




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Logically convincing is more dangerous than Believing without proof?


If I was to tell you that if you did no work for a week you would still get your paycheck, and I had no proof of this, except the fact that I was the boss and I hired you, would you actually don't work for a whole week?

Same with religion. You can say you will dedicate your life to God (not working) but in the end, you must except the fact that you will and you HAVE to succumb to Satan's temptations (working to get pay), or you won't live. Period. That's the end of the story.

I've read it numerous times by the way. Satan rebelled only because he was jealous that he was not involved in man's creation. He was jealous of the relationship of Jesus and God. It is like the brother that is jealous of his brother for dating the girl they both love. They may still resent eachother, but it does not mean they do not love the girl. Satan never wanted anyone to go to hell. He only wanted to have an opportunity to shape man the way he wanted, which is the whole point in free will -- so man may choose wether to resist temptation, or succumb to it.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by CREAM
 


Yes Lucifer is logically convincing, which makes him all the more dangerous. I'm not going to waste my time reasoning with him or his pawns. Eve made the mistake of giving him the time of day and were paying for it now.

I am pretty sure all the people screaming up from hell are trying to warn anyone who follows him of their error, if only you could hear their cries.


Read my posts on page two. K, thanks.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 


Logically convincing is more dangerous than Believing without proof?


If I was to tell you that if you did no work for a week you would still get your paycheck, and I had no proof of this, except the fact that I was the boss and I hired you, would you actually don't work for a whole week?

Same with religion. You can say you will dedicate your life to God (not working) but in the end, you must except the fact that you will and you HAVE to succumb to Satan's temptations (working to get pay), or you won't live. Period. That's the end of the story.

I've read it numerous times by the way. Satan rebelled only because he was jealous that he was not involved in man's creation. He was jealous of the relationship of Jesus and God. It is like the brother that is jealous of his brother for dating the girl they both love. They may still resent eachother, but it does not mean they do not love the girl. Satan never wanted anyone to go to hell. He only wanted to have an opportunity to shape man the way he wanted, which is the whole point in free will -- so man may choose wether to resist temptation, or succumb to it.


Do you mind explaining what you're talking about in more detail and what your point is?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 


Logically convincing is more dangerous than Believing without proof?


If I was to tell you that if you did no work for a week you would still get your paycheck, and I had no proof of this, except the fact that I was the boss and I hired you, would you actually don't work for a whole week?

Same with religion. You can say you will dedicate your life to God (not working) but in the end, you must except the fact that you will and you HAVE to succumb to Satan's temptations (working to get pay), or you won't live. Period. That's the end of the story.

I've read it numerous times by the way. Satan rebelled only because he was jealous that he was not involved in man's creation. He was jealous of the relationship of Jesus and God. It is like the brother that is jealous of his brother for dating the girl they both love. They may still resent eachother, but it does not mean they do not love the girl. Satan never wanted anyone to go to hell. He only wanted to have an opportunity to shape man the way he wanted, which is the whole point in free will -- so man may choose wether to resist temptation, or succumb to it.


Lucifer rebelled because he coveted the mercy seat and because God commanded the angels love man like he was God because we were God's greatest creation and it made Lucifer jealous. He was jealous because God made the whole universe and all the stars therein and the moon and the sun to light the earth, and all the life on the earth for one reason...to bring about the fruition of his master plan to create his greatest creation...Man. That is why Satan was jealous.

Whatever you read is a ton of lies. Satan never wanted anyone to go to hell? Where have you been finding the garbage youre reading? Take a look around at the world today, the murder,abortion, thiever, adultery, pornography, wars, diseases, famine etc. God told Adam and Eve explicitly not to even touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or they would surely die. Satan came right around and twisted God's words and Eve played the part of the fool who listened while Adam played the part of the other fool who listened to the fool who was decieved and wanted company in her misery. You trying to play the card where Lucifer didn't know what he was doing is baloney, he knew exactly what he was doing. He is no bringer of light, he is the bringer of death. He took the form of a serpent and that is a deception and a lie because it was not his true form. From the very beginning he was lying.

Satan didn't give man free will, Yah did because he wanted man to love him of man's own free will. He told Man not to eat of the forbidden tree because he wanted man to make the right choice and Man would have made the right choice if left alone. Because of Satan our glorified bodies were tainted and we lost our immortality. Is that the kind of "beneficial" being you want to serve? Well good luck with that. I'll take Jesus over a thrice damned liar any day.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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The lunatics say lucifer is evil....



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by AliensLoveLemons
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The lunatics say lucifer is evil....


Everything is One anyway. Light is to darkness as darkness is to light, one does not exist without the other and in the end are literally one. Fanatics dont phase me, in fact I like to look at things through all types of perspectives, it gives a person an advantage over those who can only see through one.




posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by AliensLoveLemons
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The lunatics say lucifer is evil....


Funny how no one has come on here yet to explain why he's not and what his purpose is/was.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by CREAM

Everything is One anyway. Light is to darkness as darkness is to light, one does not exist without the other and in the end are literally one. Fanatics dont phase me, in fact I like to look at things through all types of perspectives, it gives a person an advantage over those who can only see through one.


No, light helps you to recognize darkness and vice versa, it does not mean it is one. It helps to prove the difference between the two. This is one of the great lies that I posted earlier. The reason good and evil exist together is to be able to recognize the difference. Nothing more. What you'll realize is that there will never be peace until evil is eliminated. Do you think that the world was created to live in constant disharmony? No, it's a life lesson to be able to recognize the difference,so you'll truly appreciate good and light when it comes and evil is destroyed. Without knowing the difference, you would never appreciate it for what it really is.

It's hard to take you seriously after reading your "Helping Hands" link. Love how this person makes statements such as, "I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail" and " I have no need to prove anything to you." When he does go out on a limb to make a couple of predictions, he fails. Of course you'll state that he also said, "Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement." This is all crap.

As for your Bible verses that you did manage to post earlier, you need to read the preceding verses to understand what it meant. God was talking to the people of Israel about having no foreign or alien gods, but they didn't listen. He is trying to tell them that he rules over everything including these "gods" that they worshiped and that they themselves were more like "gods" than that which they worshiped because they were the children of the one true God. He reminds them that they will die like mere men because they never listened to Him. He tells them that they walk around in darkness because they won't listen to Him.

Seek the light, avoid the darkness. They are not one. God is light. Satan is darkness. Lucifer used to be a light bearer, but then he turned against God and was cast down to earth to become the darkness and was given the name Satan.

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Now let's listen a little more to what your "Helping Hands" have to say about the Great Harvest and what happens when the "New Age" begins...


And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, the vibrational Density of Love.

During this Ascension, there will be a three way split for those Souls inhabiting Earth.

Those of the predominantly Negative Polarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service to Self) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on the Negative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the Negative Karmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as Sixth Density Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.

Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon your learning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your True Powers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus" promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for you.

For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.


As you will notice, Helping Hands clearly identifies himself as being one of the "Negative Polarity" by using the words US and WE. Based on the description of what he's telling you here, why would you want to be in the "Negative Polarity" group versus the "Positive Polarity" group? Do you really think that description sounds better? He says you have to "graduate through the Negative Harvest". Why would you want to identify with something so negative in which you'll have to work so hard to graduate from in order to progress?



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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The biggest lessons in life are learned expereincing the negative. The positive moments are memorable, but something that quickly escapes the mind when the cards are down. The knowledge that is gained from a negative expereince is something to be desired. It often baffles me why unfortunate incidents often lead to the biggest life lessons. The negative is needed in order to give status to the positive, just as the positive is needed to show how truly wretched the negative can be. It is all based on the philosophy of the individual, and how they regard the incident. No major life event happens just because, it was intended.

PLPL



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Minori
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The biggest lessons in life are learned expereincing the negative. The positive moments are memorable, but something that quickly escapes the mind when the cards are down. The knowledge that is gained from a negative expereince is something to be desired. It often baffles me why unfortunate incidents often lead to the biggest life lessons. The negative is needed in order to give status to the positive, just as the positive is needed to show how truly wretched the negative can be. It is all based on the philosophy of the individual, and how they regard the incident. No major life event happens just because, it was intended.

PLPL


I totally agree that this is needed for this life on earth.

Except the information I posted from "Helping Hands" was referring to the afterlife.

Why would someone choose to enter an eternal afterlife into the "Negative Polarity"?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Because those people choose to live the negative life, not learn from their mistakes and keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Where you end up in the afterlife depends on how you live the life you have now.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Not only are these memes humorous, they are actually logical and convincing.


Satan, created from fire... believed he was better than man who was created from clay. This happened even before the scene in the garden.

So how "logical and convincing" is it now to think Satan is a "good guy" or a "friend" to any man, who satan sees as inferior?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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As you will notice, Helping Hands clearly identifies himself as being one of the "Negative Polarity" by using the words US and WE. Based on the description of what he's telling you here, why would you want to be in the "Negative Polarity" group versus the "Positive Polarity" group? Do you really think that description sounds better? He says you have to "graduate through the Negative Harvest". Why would you want to identify with something so negative in which you'll have to work so hard to graduate from in order to progress?


Don't forget the part posted by Cream:



For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator


I couldn't believe i read this. In the book i read Jesus explicitly said he'd spit out the lukewarm as if he never knew them. He wants you hot or cold for him, but he does not accept fence sitters.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 


Logically convincing is more dangerous than Believing without proof?


If I was to tell you that if you did no work for a week you would still get your paycheck, and I had no proof of this, except the fact that I was the boss and I hired you, would you actually don't work for a whole week?

Same with religion. You can say you will dedicate your life to God (not working) but in the end, you must except the fact that you will and you HAVE to succumb to Satan's temptations (working to get pay), or you won't live. Period. That's the end of the story.

I've read it numerous times by the way. Satan rebelled only because he was jealous that he was not involved in man's creation. He was jealous of the relationship of Jesus and God. It is like the brother that is jealous of his brother for dating the girl they both love. They may still resent eachother, but it does not mean they do not love the girl. Satan never wanted anyone to go to hell. He only wanted to have an opportunity to shape man the way he wanted, which is the whole point in free will -- so man may choose wether to resist temptation, or succumb to it.


Where is it written that being paid to do a job was a sin? Jesus was a carpenter, alot of the apostles were fishermen. Jesus understands the world very well, he was here for 33 years and that was one of his purposes for coming. He wants us to have a giving heart and to share what we have with others, which was a part of his teaching. He has a beef with people who are selfish and who care only about them and what they can get, this is evident in his parable of the "rich man and Lazarus". Temptation has nothing to do with making money and getting paid an honest days wage, it has to do with "the love of money". You love money more than doing the wishes of your creator.


"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament
About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

So as you can see, the two greatest commanments (and they still stand, Jesus did not abolish these) are Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind and the second is to love your neighbor (or enemy) as you love your self. These 2 laws symbolize your "works" or actions towards others and will be evident in your faith as your practise it.

1 Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows"

So as you can see if you love money then you are breaking one of the 2 greatest commandments as described by Jesus.

Making money has nothing to do with loving it. God recognizes that we have to make a living while were here and he does not begrudge us of it, but it is his will to share what you have as much and as often as you possibly can. If you hoard wealth and riches then you love money and are out of bounds with his will.
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posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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@Cream.
Are you a Hit-n-Run troll?
You knew exactly the sort of response this posting was going to get even before you posted it.

Lucifer is a pure, back-stabbing trecherous evil employee of YHWH.

Maybe you should have a 10 minute trip to Tartarus and meet some of Satan's 8ft tall workmates. I am sure you will have a great laugh whilst they rip you to shreds; literally.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Great memes Cream. I found all of them very funny and appreciate the laugh. Unfortunately a few people are taking offense at this and are rallying to the aid of their lord and master. So...I feel I should counter their claims with some claims of my own.

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To think Satan is smarter or more logical or offering you anything more is to be complety ignorant of the obvious truth that is in front of you.


I know you believe deeply in what your bible says. It is wise to cultivate spirituality. However...your claims about ignorant people and obvious truth is not obvious and is in fact steeped in ignorance. You cannot use the bible as your only source for spiritual knowledge. I know...that sounds fundamentally wrong to you...the fact is that most of the bible is filled with inaccurate information. Satan, Lucifer, Ahriman --- whatever your religion tells you about this figure is wrong. These names were given to this entity long after he made himself known to men.

This creature was not divine in any way and his goal was to free humans from spiritual enslavement. The Snake--or Serpent--is the symbol for what you call Satan. He also used this symbol to spread knowledge to humanity. It is for this reason that some organizations have a Serpent incorporated into their logos. An example of this would be the American Medical Association.

In your Adam & Eve story of the bible it was the Serpent that was attempting to free humans from the bondage forced upon mankind by the entity you call Yahuwah. Do you ever wonder why Yahuwah forbade Adam & Eve from partaking in the "fruit"? It is because eating that fruit would bestow upon humanity the power of Knowledge(Tree of Knowledge) and the gift of Spiritual life(Tree of life). The serpent fought to provide humans with the wonders of both Trees. He, however, failed. Yahuwah interceded and destroyed the Serpent before he liberated the Tree of Life but only after humanity had received the power of Knowledge. The Serpent was reviled from then on and lies were spread about the creature right down to the present day.

It is for this reason that you know of the Serpent by such damning epithets as Prince of Darkness, Evil Incarnate, Satan, Lucifer,King of Liars and so on. Association with anything at all to do with the Serpent was made into such an unfathomable heresy that the overwhelming majority of humans would be terrified of damnation and would thus ignore and forget about the poor creature.

This is why Satan is demonized today. Sadly...I am fairly certain that you will think I am brainwashed by Satan or that I want something from that creature. That is not the case at all. Everyone of us is a part of the spirit of God and as such you need only look inward for spiritual salvation. Beware of entities that demand your obedience.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 05:30 AM
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Although I did find that pretty amusing, it is very misleading. And not well-researched.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Err actually, no, he didn't. I don't know what version of the Temptation in the Garden of Eden you know, but Lucifer most definately did not tempt Eve. A talking snake did. God was testing his human creations - having just told them that eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden, was forbidden.




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