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Originally posted by Joecroft
Points for unbelievers to consider and think about….
Originally posted by Joecroft
(1) Jesus was sentenced to death; the Roman soldiers had probably carried out hundreds of such executions. It just doesn’t seem likely, that they would not have known, if Jesus were still alive.
(2) Why would the disciples go to so much trouble, involving persecution, torture and death, during which time they never once renounced the fact that Jesus, rose from the dead?
(3) How were the disciples even able to convert thousands of followers to this truth, if Jesus had not indeed risen and appeared to large crowds of people?
(4) How could only 12 disciples pull of such an amazing hoax?
(5) How can you explain the empty tomb?
(6) How could the disciples possibly steal the body of Christ, when it was heavily guarded by Roman soldiers, who were trained to kill?
(8) Could the accounts of large crowds be mass hallucinations? multiple hallucinations, just doesn’t appear to be a credible explanationin, in light of how we currently understand this type of experience..
Ask 500 Catholics after Mass if they have received the real body and blood of Jesus and they will say yes. Are they hallucinating? No. Does this mean a non-Catholic would have seen the real body and blood of Jesus during Mass? No. What people say they have seen is conditioned by what they want to say they have seen. Talk of 'hallucinations' is beside the point.
(9) Many of the disciples did not believe the woman’s testimonies, but only came to believe much later, after they claimed to have witnessed Jesus resurrection for themselves.
Originally posted by AxlJones
You're assuming the story of Jesus really happened without any historical fact attached to it.
What's your point again?
Originally posted by novastrike81
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Josephus was born in 37 AD, Jesus died in 33 AD respectively. How can he be a witness to an event when he wasn't born yet?
Originally posted by novastrike81
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Josephus was born in 37 AD, Jesus died in 33 AD respectively. How can he be a witness to an event when he wasn't born yet?
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Exactly! The Jewish leadership of the day was smart and influential. If the death and resurrection of Jesus had not gone down as the Gospels stated, it would have been quickly debunked, the Gospels would likely never have been written, and the whole affair would at best be a footnote in history. That Christianity survived and prospered proves the truth, along with the other points made by the OP.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
Why didn't any of the historians at the time Jesus lived write about his execution if it really happened?
Originally posted by Novastrike81
Since I assume your argument is "why would the desciples go through such heartache to die for a lie?" I guess that makes Islam true for what they did on 9/11.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
There is a difference between one person claiming there were 500+ witness' and 500+ witness' claiming they saw the resurrection. Can you please identify any of these witness' outside the desciples and Jesus' family?
Originally posted by Joecroft
(4) How could only 12 disciples pull of such an amazing hoax?
Originally posted by Novastrike81
Because people are gullbile and will believe anything you tell them.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
Most Christians of the day didn't believe in a literal resurrection, so the empty tomb point is moot.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
You're aware that if a Roman soldier fell asleep during those days, he'd be executed right? I find it very unlikely that this guard was put to sleep and a few people rolled a big boulder out of the way to steal Jesus' body.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
It's not necessary for people to have actually seen the resurrection, only that they believe it.
Originally posted by Novastrike81
Jesus only appeared to his desciples, how convenient.
Jesus only appeared to his desciples, how convenient.
There is a number of accounts in the New Testament for this, go look and see. The main point behind this, is how could they convince a large number of people, who also later became disciples and taught the same teachings. You can’t just make people believe something, unless they witness it for themselves; the disciple’s early disbelief is proof of that fact.
This is also proof of the great deception God is supposed to send in the tribulation which also proves were in the tribulation.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The best proof for the resurrection is the explosion of Christianity in Jerusalem immediately after Christ's ascension. It would be really funny trying to get people to convert to Christianity in Jerusalem in the first century when all the people had to do was walk to the tomb and they could if it were empty of not.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
The Roman legionaries were that worlds version of special forces or green berets, if they wanted you dead, they new how to make you that way. The Romans soldiers knew where your heart was located, it was common practice when holding field executions they would force you down on your knees and them drive their gladius downward into your back and through your heart.
When they stabbed you with a spear or javlin, they twisted the spear so that the speartip would sever veins and arteries so that you died quickly.