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Official Debate Thread for Dec. 15th!!!!!

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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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The Fact that WAR is the LAST RESORT in Deciding who Wins a Conflict between Nations after All other Options are exhausted including Diplomacy and Compromise . In other words , when Logic and Reason do not Work , Might Makes Right ........
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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Did you forget all of the Iraqi lives lost in the 90's from US intervention?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Im watching bits and pieces of the post-debate stuff, both on FOX and MSNBC, but I dont see anyone attacking Paul over his fight between Bachmann over Iran. Yes, of course there's the "he's wacky" and all that, but still nothing over the Bachmann fight.

Also, Newt is on Hannity right now and he's saying Paul hit him the hardest....and he cant really say anything bad about Paul...yes. those are Newts words.

ETA - And there's Ron Paul 2012 signs behind Newt haha
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ETA 2 - Just flipped over to MSNBC (very left leaning IMO) and someone on there is saying Paul is the only sane candidate in the debate, because he dosent want another war.
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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by knightrider078
Here are some numbers and sources to check

WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian death
January 2004 to December 2009

Iraq Body Count project 103,536 — 113,125 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 150,726 civilian and combatant death
March 2003 to October 2011

Associated Press 110,600 deaths
March 2003 to April 2009

No where near a million. So Ron Paul Lied
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Did you check the numbers for the entire Gulf War including Desert Storm?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Those numbers represent documented body counts. But lets not get off topic here.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by hadriana
Well funny but as soon as the debate was over, all my social media magically started working again.

I had hoped Ron Paul would have brought up Saudi Arabia - their version of Islam is really crazy - they beheaded a woman for sorcery this week- have a visitor from another country in jail for it too that they might kill - for 'sorcery' in his home country! (Not even in SA)

But funny they can be our biggest allies! And they have their hand in Fanny and Freddie too - but oh, that's ok, but that Iran....KWIM?



Weird isn't it?

When you actually see some of the effects of orders being handed down the chain of treason.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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And you still try to be smart even after Ron made a perfect example of USA vs USSR and the cuban missile crisis.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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This show is unreal. Literally. Two of them bugging out looking at the numbers while the producers attempt to spin the results and the numbers themselves. LITERALLY. this is... insane.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Social Security was always solvent until they repeatedly looted it - another thing Ron Paul voted against.

The real cost of the war is much larger than anyone can fathom... even this multi trillion estimate from 2010 does not take into account care for the vets, the cost of our economy falling appart due to the policies driving these wars...

And the dollar figures pale in relation to the human cost... vets like me our killing ourselves faster and faster... we come home shattered and the VA system, while I'm thankful it's there it is beyond frustrating. I gave up going for shrinks because i could only get in once every 90 days for 2o minutes... and it consisted of them telling me "your broke, you'll be like this for the rest of your life, learn to live with it" (direct quote).

I could go on but it's to painful.

Instead of keeping to ourselves and being nice to other nations we have a system of spending trillions on bribing other nations... and trillions on "intelligence services" which are even more war to tell the truth, destroying sovereign nations and propping up dictators to do our will...

Then the trillions on "combatting terrorism" aka destroying our liberty at home with "homeland security", TSA, etc...

So the numbers are much much higher than anything being reported.

And how many trillions did we just give the Globalist Banksers???

No it's not the social programs bankrupting us...



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Bill Mahler was tweeting positively about Ron Paul too.
Where Ron Paul won tonight was with anti-war independants and Democrats, I think.
They are only about half the nation, I guess they don't matter.

I found a poll here: radio.foxnews.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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just finished watching the debate,and i think ron paul is the only one that i would vote for and jon huntsman would make a good vp,i would not vote any of the other ones even if they put a gun to my head
and can anyone explain 2 me why states like iowa an nh more importent than all the other states?imust have skipped school that day



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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If Ron Paul looses and one of these fools becomes president, we will have WW3 and an American revolution.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by blasphemusbudda
just finished watching the debate,and i think ron paul is the only one that i would vote for and jon huntsman would make a good vp,i would not vote any of the other ones even if they put a gun to my head
and can anyone explain 2 me why states like iowa an nh more importent than all the other states?imust have skipped school that day

Huntsman isn't too bad but his polling sucks in every state but new hampshire.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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Freedom Watch used the term "A-Paul-colypse now"..I like that catch phrase!



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Another weird thing I am seeing is a TON of negative Ron Paul tweets. That's not ...normal.
I mean, it's NOT normal.

Anyone else?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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What is the Twitter addy you are referring to?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Not surprising, I don't have a twitter or facebook account, but frankly this is to be expected.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Where Ron Paul won tonight was with anti-war independants and Democrats, I think.


This is a major strength for Paul. People that usually dont go vote in primaries will go out and vote for Paul this time. (Even Dems may register Republican this year just to vote for Paul) That's exactly what I am doing.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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twitter.com...#!/search/Ron%20Paul

Normally all of us 'so called' Ron Paul Bearers are online tweeting good things.
Well I couldn't tweet for the whole debate - and now I can get on twitter, and I'm just seeing negative stuff - a LOT of it- NOT anything positive !

Can't get the link to work right - but just go to regular twitter and search ron space paul

It looks to me like the water army is out, but it might be the GOP or the PTBs. lol
I've never seen it look like this after any of these debates.
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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by hadriana
Bill Mahler was tweeting positively about Ron Paul too.
Where Ron Paul won tonight was with anti-war independants and Democrats, I think.
They are only about half the nation, I guess they don't matter.

I found a poll here: radio.foxnews.com...


That poll shows Ron Paul winning at 85%!!






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