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Originally posted by Biigs
crazy thing just occured to me: if the run away health care and family financal support, they tend to be good ONLY ofr that family.
What if you got MORE tax relief from the goverment for having just a few kids, rather than more money from more kids like we got now.
This is more focused on the UK mind.
Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms
This isn't a third world country so your comparison doesn't work.
The "poor" in this nation have, as a set of basic amenities, the things people kill each other for in other nations.
People have every right to complain because they have put in their part into adding to this countries' wealth.
No, no - that's not the case at all.
People have a right to honest business and banking practices. To do that, a number of things must happen (dissolving the Federal Reserve, getting rid of Social Security, creating an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that forever bans relationships between business and government like the case of Fannie and Freddie, a return to a backed standard of currency, etc).
However - the problem is that people are stupid. They took out loans they couldn't afford, pay into credit cards before their savings account, etc.
You'll find that success and financial stability in this nation share a direct link between income and average annual credits to the savings account.
You cannot be rich in this country without the help of your fellow man's blood, sweat and tears.
Ah, the humanist approach.
Do you understand the free market? It is the idea that anyone can take his or her talents, abilities, knowledge, and/or skills and apply them to the needs and wants of others in exchange for goods, services, or a standard medium of exchange (money - capital).
Wealth is the value one has in society. A doctor with rare knowledge and expertise in diagnosing and treating illness is going to be more highly valued than a janitor. Or, I should say, his/her services will be valued above those of a janitor. Just about anyone can be a janitor - including the doctor.
Thus, in order to be wealthy, one must contribute value to society. This value will persist through changes in the economic trends (although market trends will influence the value of services, as will education and employment trends).
That doesn't mean: "I work my ass off and deserve the same as some computer programmer who sits behind a desk" - it may be true that you (and others) work very hard. The problem is that physically demanding jobs are not always the highest value. Skills, trades, and the like are always beneficial.
I would say a college education is worth something - but it is really a poor example. You have a bunch of idiots with no career history getting a Master's in business or a bachelor's in performing arts - then expecting to make a living using that degree. Trades are far more valuable and practical. Welding tends to be in fairly high demand, along with machinists. Granted, that does depend upon what field you are looking in - but so many people simply waste their years of schooling on degrees that have little application to starting a career.
Originally posted by joyride0187
There is a very simple solution to all of this. People need to STOP having kids if they cannot afford to raise them.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
That's Step one.
Step two: Would be stop buying every Goddamn thing under the sun [All Made in China] if you don't need it and save some money for a rainy day.
Step Three: There is nothing wrong, Taboo or Politically incorrect about supporting American made products, businesses and Industry which employs Americans.
The only problem is we cost more than a communist countries workers, so instead of coming up off their own fortunes or taking time to start new (I say "new", but these industries were mostly originally here in the US) enterprises. The people that run these corporations would simply charge more for their products and boom, inflation goes through the roof and tomorrow we are in the next widespread national depression while the few that are already rich live comfortably through it.
I don't see how that is a skewed view when American's turn against other American's for the benefit of their own prosperity, I see that as treason.
American households in the top income quintile have almost five times more family members working on average than the lowest quintile, and … are far more likely … to be well-educated, married, and working full-time in their prime earning years. In contrast, individuals in low-income households are far more likely to be less-educated, working part-time, either very young or very old, and living in single-parent households.
Currently we are hearing a lot in the media and in politics about the “top one percent” of income earners who are supposedly getting an ever-increasing share of the nation’s income. That is absolutely true if you are talking about income brackets. It is totally untrue if you are talking about actual flesh and blood people.
The Internal Revenue Service can follow individual people over the years because they can identify individuals from their Social Security numbers. During recent years, when “the top one percent” as an income category has been getting a growing share of the nation’s income, IRS data show that actual flesh and blood people who were in the top one percent in 1996 had their incomes go down — repeat, DOWN — by a whopping 26 percent by 2005.
How can both sets of statistics be true at the same time? Because most people who are in the top one percent in a given year do not stay in that bracket over the years.
If we are being serious — as distinguished from being political — then our concern should be with what is happening to actual flesh and blood human beings, not what is happening to abstract income brackets.
There is the same statistical problem when talking about “the poor” as there is when talking about “the rich.”
A University of Michigan study showed that most of the working people who were in the bottom 20 percent of income earners in 1975 were also in the top 40 percent at some point by 1991. Only 5 percent of those in the bottom quintile in 1975 were still there in 1991, while 29 percent of them were now in the top quintile.
People in the media and in politics choose statistics that seem to prove what they want to prove. But the rest of us should become aware of what games are being played with numbers.