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Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by Shirak
Hmm. That looks entirely different from what you posted before. Are we on to a different argument now? Just a reminder, here is what you posted
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof on US soil or Against US force's or it allies anywhere, or commits the following: in aid of or comfort too hostile or the Belligerent shall, by the above listed acts, Give up US citizenship and will be held until time of trial, or until the US and its Allies say the hostility's(war) has ended. is this clear enough?? now do you see how it could be interpreted? Not just by the TSA DHS FBI but by the National Guard (ARNG), MP Mil police or CID, Criminal Intel Div, CIC,Counter Intelligence Corps DOJ, Dep of Justice DoD, Dep of Defense CIA NSA and the Secret Service not to mention the State and Local PD. edit on 15-12-2011 by bekod because: editting Ah thanks. I believe you have answered my above question. Looking into the definition of belligerent. Being belligerent is now cause to have your US citizenship revoked. All you natural born Americans can have your citizenship taken away by being belligerent to whoever the current administration is. As a non citizen imagine what they can do to you. This bill is a treasonous act.
My question was, what text in the bill supports this quote? What you have provided does not.
Another little hint, when posting on ATS it is very helpful to use paragraphs.
Of course they can't choose to detain who ever they want, that would be absurd. After everything you said, we are back to square one. You have clearly admitted that they have the ability to detain US citizens indefinitely if those citizens are considered to be terrorists. And that's a rather easy thing to accuse a person of if they don't have the right to a trial.
It's the same as the State of Texas "requiring" the County Sheriff to maintain custody of persons charged with crimes against the state, until their trial. It doesn't mean that the Sheriff can choose to detain whoever he wants to, it only specifies what the law requires of him.
Originally posted by Erasurehead
"I solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
This is the first line of the oath I took when I entered the military way back in the late 80's. The Constitution was sacred to us. It was untouchable and could never be taken away. Today I shed a tear for my country, the right to a fair and speedy trial has been ripped away from us by traitors in Washington. National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is set to get though congress.
Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial
Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.
Human rights groups accused the president of deserting his principles and disregarding the long-established principle that the military is not used in domestic policing. The legislation has also been strongly criticised by libertarians on the right angered at the stripping of individual rights for the duration of "a war that appears to have no end".
8th article of the Bill of Rights (Ratified as the Sixth Amendment on Dec. 15, 1791)
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
If Obama doesn't veto this bill then he is a traitor and should be removed from office for violating his oath of office. I recall him saying these words back in 2008, did he not?
"I, Barack Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Have Americans become so insecure and afraid of the big bad terrorists that we are willing to let those in Washington throw our rights away? I am not willing to accept this and no American should unless we have all become a bunch of cowards.
OWS and Tea Party need something to protest about? THIS IS IT. A couple of million of us in front of the White House is what needs to happen. I pray America wakes up. I will be there.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty"
edit on 12/15/2011 by Erasurehead because: fit title
Originally posted by wlord
oh please, people said the same thing about the patriot act and nothing happened. you all are all talk