Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals

Some "well endowed" women show off their bodies in public no matter what clothes they wear not to mention that of the ones I've known that were raped, very few of them were wearing clothes that would qualify as them showing off their bodies. Should women all wear robes and cover their faces like they do in other countries? Should women with big breasts all get breast reductions so they don't get raped? I'd bet you women would still get raped if we did these things in this country.

This isn't about what clothes they wear and it's not even about being drunk. Why does being drunk and/or having a nice body have to mean they are somehow responsible for being raped *at all*? Why is that taken as some kind of invitation for aggressive, horny men and more importantly, why is this accepted by even one person? What if it's a woman's face that turns the guy on? Her hair? Her eyes? Maybe it's just that this guy likes this woman, but she doesn't like him back and he can't accept that?

This is a self control issue for men and no amount of wardrobe changes will change that. What if the woman is wearing baggy clothes and gets raped? Does she still hold some responsibility for being raped or is it only women who decided they wanted to show off their legs or a little cleavage? What kind of sense does that make? One "deserves" it more than the other? Again, it's excusing and minimizing the actions of the rapist and putting that responsibility where it doesn't belong; on the victim. If a rich man gets robbed, does he hold some responsibility for the robbery because he's rich and has nice things other people want? I can't wrap my head around the idea of transferring blame from the victimizer to the victim.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by Cascadian

I've already said multiple times that people are not responsible for criminal actions of others. What they ARE responsible for is their own reckless decisions that they knew were likely to land them in a certain situation. Just grow up and accept it.

I'm getting really tired of saying this: SURE people are responsible for their reckless decisions. But that does NOT entitle someone else to victimize them. What is it that you are not getting, here? Use even smaller words on my part?

(I believe women are forced to marry their rapists or are thrown into jail for their obvious baiting, what with breathing and showing their ankles and all).

You'd have to be an idiot to compare those women to women who get drunk out of their mind and/or advertise their bodies in public.

It's all a matter of perspective. It was used as an illustrative example, not an absolute one. Once again, you're completely missing the boat on this argument. I'm done.

Well I don't want to get involved in the 'stats are inflated' debate, but I have known girls to say someone raped them when it never did in fact happen. They do it basically to get a rise out of people. Nothing more, nothing less. But I'll say this to any lady out there that may find herself in a rape situation. All you gotta do is grab the perpetrator by the balls, really hard, squeeze for about 4 seconds. Then run. I've never understood why women just sit and take it.

reply to post by MisterFister103


Have you ever thought that it's hard to do anything when something like that is happening to you? My ex that raped me was over 90lbs heavier than I am. I'm a measily 100lbs and could not have possibly done anything to get a man that weighs nearly double off of me.
It's easy to say what people /should/ do until you're in their situation and realize nothing can be done to stop it.

For all the men who are caught, charged and put in prison for brutal sexual assaults how many are ever safe to put back into the community? And yet they end up right back there. I think pedophiles and serial rapists should be castrated.

When I did my teaching rounds they had a "Code Blue" alert. The teachers instructed the students to come inside from play time, close and lock the doors and windows. I asked a teacher what Code Blue was and she replied that a known pedophile was hanging around the perimeter of the school watching the children. The protocol in these situations was to call the cops and each school has a 'buddy school' in the area to call and warn to set up a Code Blue alert.

The principal said that Code Blue happens all the time and that several alerts happen each month (some higher frequencies in Summer) and that there were at least a dozen different men who stalked he kids at that school.

I'm sorry to digress.

from what i've heard, it's an under - estimate.

at least 1 in three women get sexually assaulted.

in a lot of countries it's probably more like 100% when you look at countries like Saudia arabia etc with forced marriages, child brides etc.

anyone read the book 'princess'?

just terrible the crimes that go on against women. even in supposedly first world countries.

not long ago here too women were chattles to be bought and sold.

even more pathetic are the posters on here who can't cope with reality invading their picture perfect world, and question widely known statistics so they can sleep better at night being in denial about the world.

face the world. face reality. it's the only way it's ever gonna change, is if people - everyone - acknowledges we have a problem.

and to the poster commenting about women falling about in skimpy clothes after clubbing, i don't care if they're all naked on the street.

there's no excuse for rape. it's violence, and it's utterly disgusting.

Originally posted by Kratos1220
Some "well endowed" women show off their bodies in public no matter what clothes they wear not to mention that of the ones I've known that were raped, very few of them were wearing clothes that would qualify as them showing off their bodies. Should women all wear robes and cover their faces like they do in other countries? Should women with big breasts all get breast reductions so they don't get raped? I'd bet you women would still get raped if we did these things in this country.

This isn't about what clothes they wear and it's not even about being drunk. Why does being drunk and/or having a nice body have to mean they are somehow responsible for being raped *at all*? Why is that taken as some kind of invitation for aggressive, horny men and more importantly, why is this accepted by even one person? What if it's a woman's face that turns the guy on? Her hair? Her eyes? Maybe it's just that this guy likes this woman, but she doesn't like him back and he can't accept that?

This is a self control issue for men and no amount of wardrobe changes will change that. What if the woman is wearing baggy clothes and gets raped? Does she still hold some responsibility for being raped or is it only women who decided they wanted to show off their legs or a little cleavage? What kind of sense does that make? One "deserves" it more than the other? Again, it's excusing and minimizing the actions of the rapist and putting that responsibility where it doesn't belong; on the victim. If a rich man gets robbed, does he hold some responsibility for the robbery because he's rich and has nice things other people want? I can't wrap my head around the idea of transferring blame from the victimizer to the victim.

you are right. the people who posted stuff like that are pretty damn sad.

it's sick when we have to put the blame on the victim because people can't cope with the truth about their actions.

Even if the OP's stats were inflated, it's NOT ok for ANY woman to be raped. It's not surprising, to me anyway, that people can't or won't acknowledge that it's a serious problem not only in the U.S. but worldwide. I suspect there's a tie to the porn industry, and I would imagine I'll get slammed for that statement. Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry in the U.S. and some (not all) guys really do think that because 'those women' look like they're enjoying it on the video that all women harbor a secret desire to be raped, or at minimum really do enjoy rough or even violent sex.

Originally posted by Charmed707


Unlike some people, I would never act so blatantly irresponsibly and put myself in such a vulnerable position. Being unwittingly victimized is a completely different situation than throwing yourself in the shark's tank.

Ahhhh the "just world hypothesis" is where you are still at. Look it up for a more in depth study of why you are in the category of blaming the victim and living in a "just world hypothesis". But here is a small sample.

The just world hypothesis describes the phenomenon that people believe that the world is one in which actions have appropriate and predictable consequences

ie: if I don't wear a mini skirt, if I don't drink... etc. I am not like "those other people" and so I won't get raped, so I am smarter and safer than anyone who becomes.... a victim, ill etc.

the belief in a just world is crucially important for people to maintain for their own well-being

en.wikipedia.org...

You are the one imo who is not helping by spreading the just world hypothesis and being a victim blamer. Just because you feel safer in this world by saying "I wouldn't put myself in that situation..... so therefore I will never be a victim" has been proven to NOT be true. It just helps people emotionally feel safer when they can blame the victim. It is a psychological result of living in a world where outcomes and actions do not always have a relationship.

LOL fantasy world? I am well aware that this world is full of crime, please stop putting words into my mouth. The fantasy world is the one which you seem to be ie: the just world hypothesis.

Harm None
Peace

I don't mean to get off track with this thread but there probably is sometimes a tie between the large amount of rapes and sexual abuse of women and the porn industry. Jersey Jaxin is an ex-porn star who was sexually abused by her father and then got involved with porn. She has now left the industry but she agreed to be interviewed about her experiences in the industry.

Shelley: “You told me some pretty scary things about the porn industry.”

Jersey: “Guys punching you in the face. You have semen… Twenty or thirty guys all over your face, in your eyes. You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It’s never ending. Your viewed as an object not as a human with a spirit. People don’t care. People do drugs because they can’t deal with the way they’re being treated.”

Shelley: “What percentage of porn people use drugs?”

Jersey: “Seventy five percent and rising. Have to numb themselves… There are specific doctors in this industry if you go in for a common cold, they’ll give you vicodin, viagra, anything you want because all they care about is money. You are a number. You’re bruised. You have black eyes. You’re ripped. You’re torn. You have your insides coming out of you. It’s not pretty and foofoo on set. You get hurt.”

“The main thing going around now is crystal meth, coc aine and heroin. …You have to numb yourself to go on set. The more you work, the more you have to numb yourself. The more you become addicted, the more your personal life is nothing but drugs… Your whole life becomes nothing but porn.”

“I was a drinker. I drank a lot. Vodka was my drug. Vodka was my numbing toy. Before sets, after sets, and if it was a set where people didn’t care, they’d have it there waiting.”

Shelley: “Do pornographers provide drugs?”

Jersey: “Some of them do. Some of them do it in front of you. I used to have a problem with coc aine that I overcame. It’s hard when they’re putting it in front of you and saying, ‘Do this.’”

Shelley: “Talk about some of the degradation the women have to go through.”

Jersey: “You may see a 45-minute set that took us 13 hours. …We’re ripped, we’re tired, we’re sored, we’re bleeding, we’re cut up, we have dried semen all over our faces from numerous guys and we can’t wash it off because they want to take pictures. You have this stuff all over you and they’re telling you, ‘Hold it!’”

“You can say anything you want [stop or pain etc] and they don’t listen. There’s the ultimate thing where you squeeze their leg to ease up and most of them don’t care. They have another scene to go to. It’s all about the money. They’ve forgotten who they are and they don’t care who they’re hurting.”

“I’m on the road right now heading to a different life. I’m going to try to make it as a normal person because I’m done.”

“You have no soul in the porn industry.”
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forgot to post the link antipornography.wordpress.com...

reply to post by Billmeister

I have to wonder what the OP is up to but I have a beautiful young daughter so, what I now say is not from ignorance or lack of empathy BUT many women create the situations where they suddenly saying NO is not going to work. This of course does not apply to a woman who does not know their attacker or played no part in creating an opportunity for being raped but You Women who dress like harlots, act like harlots, tease and tease and take every advantage of the attentions of a man or men, are not utter victims. If you let a man buy you things and treat you like a some kind of princess and think a little kiss here and there and your company is going to be enough and the man is going to accept NO, you are asking for trouble. Women use their sex, always have and always will and there will always be women who think they don't owe the men they use/take advantage of, anything. Well, this 20% rape number the OP used proves otherwise. I know women very well and they use what they have to get what they want and their sex is always on the table because frankly, men don't want you for your brains. Welcome to the real world.

Originally posted by MajorKarma
reply to post by Billmeister

 

I know women very well and they use what they have to get what they want and their sex is always on the table because frankly, men don't want you for your brains. Welcome to the real world.

edit on 19-12-2011 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)

Actually, no, you're very wrong with that statement. My last three exes over the past two years have only been interested in me because I'm actually smart, unlike most girls they come in contact with.
My most recent ex didn't even want sex until I asked him if we could have sex. It never even crossed his mind until I brought it up.
So, yes, men do want women with brains. I'm the perfect example.
Just because /you/ may like the dumb bimbo doesn't mean all men do.

reply to post by batgirl


I don't doubt that the porn industry, and the incredibly easy access to it thanks to the internet, may have some sort of causal relationship to incidents of rape, due to the degrading fashion it treats women.

However, rape is a violent crime. Yes, it obviously involves sex, but at its core, it is an extremely violent attack against another human being. That is why I contend that one needs to have the traits of a psychopath to be able to commit such a heinous act.

There are a number of very interesting threads dealing with pyschopathy on ATS... here are a few:
I Psychopath. The Documentary
Snakes In Suits
Psychopathocracy

I have come to believe that psychopathic behavior (much more prevalent in society than we may think) is responsible for many of the woes we must deal with as a society. Especially since it has been shown that people with psychopathic traits are, statistically, greatly overrepresented in positions of power.

the Billmeister

There is a line of reasoning that has been highlighted by many posters which I simply do not understand, and I believe it overlooks the extreme violence inherent in rape.

OK, let's say the victim dressed provocatively, accepted a gift and had a few drinks with someone... is it now OK for that person to turn around and repeatedly punch the victim in the face??? (And yes, the consequences of rape are far more serious than being punched in the face!)

Seriously, what kind of mental state must exist in a human being to be capable of violently attacking another... and in most cases, someone this person knows and has an established relationship with.

By this same logic, because your granny has baked some goodies, and the kitchen smells oh so sweat, if she refuses to give you a piece of pie, it may just be her fault if you smack her down?!? (And continuing to beat on her once she is down and out?!?!)

Totally perplexed,

the Billmeister

reply to post by Billmeister


I agree with you, rape is a very violent offence. I can think of few things short of murder and attempted murder that are as despicable as using a body part as a weapon to stab into another person's body part in a violent fashion, against their will. I think many people underestimate the trauma caused by having your most personal own body insides invaded against your will. There is simply no amount of reasoning that can or will ever justify that. How people are able to justify it in their own minds for any reason boggles my mind.

I also agree with you that psychopathy is a large part of the problem and that there are alot more psychopaths in western society than has been admitted too. I have had my own unfortunate dealings with them and I have read extensively on the subject, after having almost lost my life to more than one of them. One of the problems though is that many of the people downplaying the trauma of rape or denying how often it happens or blaming the victims ARE NOT PSYCHOPATHS. Look at quite a few of the comments on this thread. This is partially why most rape victims do not come forward

I'm sure the psychopaths love all the people who justify their actions and put the blame on their victims. Psychopaths, themselves, blame their victims, but so many other people are ever so willing to go along with that. As far as porn goes, I think their is some correlation because I happen to believe that their are alot of conscienceless people in the porn industry. Not every person who watches porn is a rapist (far from it) but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most rapists watch porn.Why encourage an industry that de-humanizes people.

I so agree with what you said concerning "would you punch someone in the face". It's good that you made this thread because it hits on alot of important issues. It startles me though the amount of comments that seem to justify rape depending on how the woman dresses etc..., and this in a culture that encourages women to sexualize themselves. It seems that many people see rape as only being a 'real rape' if it is done by a stranger. The reality is most rapes are done by people you know or are aquainted with. Does that mean it is 'not a real rape'. Well when you are being raped by someone you might have thought you knew, you do not think of it as 'not a real rape'.It is a conscious, violent, degrading attack on another person. There is NO EXCUSE and the person who makes this abhorrent decision is 100% responsible, like it or not.

Great Post, even if it is painful, or maybe because it is painful. I appreciate your thoughts on the issue.

Originally posted by brokedown
www.fbi.gov...

Overview
There were an estimated at 84,767 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2010. This estimate was 5.0 percent lower than the 2009 estimate and 10.3 percent and 6.7 percent lower than the 2006 and 2001 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
The rate of forcible rapes in 2010 was estimated at 54.2 per 100,000 female inhabitants.
Rapes by force comprised 93.0 percent of reported rape offenses in 2010, and attempts or assaults to commit rape accounted for 7.0 percent of reported rapes. (Based on Table 19.)

FBI statistic is 54 women in every 100,000 women are raped.

That is a far, far cry from the OP statistic of 20,000 of 100,000

FBI reported statistic is .054 percent of women in the US are rape victims

I think the FBI has a better handle on crime than most anyone else

edit on 15-12-2011 by brokedown because: (no reason given)

It's been a truism for years among law enforcement that MOST forcible rapes are NEVER reported to the police.
The estimate is that only 16% to 20% of forcible rapes are reported to the police. Statutory rapes are not included in these figures.

Originally posted by Billmeister
reply to post by haarvik

 

Here is a link to the CDC website where the study is posted and reviewed in detail: National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey

And a quick summary of the methodology:

The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey is a national random digit dial (RDD) telephone survey of the non-institutionalized English and/or Spanish-speaking U.S. population aged 18 or older. NISVS uses a dual-frame sampling strategy that includes both landline and cell phones. The survey was conducted in 50 states and the District of Columbia and was administered from January 22, 2010 through December 31, 2010. In 2010, a total of 18,049 interviews were conducted (9,970 women and 8,079 men) in the U.S. general population. This includes 16,507 completed and 1,542 partially completed interviews. A total of 9,086 females and 7,421 males completed the survey. Approximately 45.2% of interviews
were conducted by landline telephone and 54.8% of interviews were conducted using a respondent’s
cell phone.

Now can we discuss the root cause of such a high level of violence, and potential means of countering it?

the Billmeister

People should be aware, especially young girls. Apparently, there are a lot of men (& teenage boys) who cannot control themselves when it comes to sex. They enjoy violence with their sex; no doubt rape makes these pinheads feel powerful. There's an alarming amount of misogyny in this world.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by Billmeister
reply to post by haarvik

 

Here is a link to the CDC website where the study is posted and reviewed in detail: National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey

And a quick summary of the methodology:

The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey is a national random digit dial (RDD) telephone survey of the non-institutionalized English and/or Spanish-speaking U.S. population aged 18 or older. NISVS uses a dual-frame sampling strategy that includes both landline and cell phones. The survey was conducted in 50 states and the District of Columbia and was administered from January 22, 2010 through December 31, 2010. In 2010, a total of 18,049 interviews were conducted (9,970 women and 8,079 men) in the U.S. general population. This includes 16,507 completed and 1,542 partially completed interviews. A total of 9,086 females and 7,421 males completed the survey. Approximately 45.2% of interviews
were conducted by landline telephone and 54.8% of interviews were conducted using a respondent’s
cell phone.

Now can we discuss the root cause of such a high level of violence, and potential means of countering it?

the Billmeister

People should be aware, especially young girls. Apparently, there are a lot of men (& teenage boys) who cannot control themselves when it comes to sex. They enjoy violence with their sex; no doubt rape makes these pinheads feel powerful. There's an alarming amount of misogyny in this world.

As far as countering it, i highly recommend giving loved ones a book that helped me and has alot of common sense in it to help keep yourself safe. I don't usually recommend books over the net but this one can actually save people's lives. "The Gift of Fear' by Gavin De Becker http//worldsstrongestlibrarian.com/10528/the-gift-of-fear-by-gavin-de-becker/

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