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Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals

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posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


I don't know, you would have to ask him/her.

Either way, I have taught my children, be very clear with your intentions. Be very clear with the other parties intentions. If you have to guess, don't do it.

I wish that the women around me had been far more clear while I was growing up. Would have made certain periods (high school for one
) much less confusing and contentious.
edit on 16-12-2011 by peck420 because: Emoticon booboo




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
When I say NO I mean NO.


You can speak for yourself but you can't speak for all women.

That's the problem with feminists. They think they speak for all women. In fact they only speak for themselves.

Most women actually like men.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You apparently didn't read the whole thing. Kanin never tried to contact them himself--he simply took the police at their word.


Do we have any reason to believe the police made up the figure of 41% of women expressly admitting to making a false rape allegation?

False Rape Accusations

In his study, Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University found that 41% of women who had made rape allegations subsequently admitted to police that they had lied.


Quit quoting the same study over and over again. If that's the only one you have and it hasn't been verified, it's worthless.

That's called peer review. Results must be replicated or they don't count.

Having no reason (in Kanin's mind) that the police made it up doesn't mean you don't try to verify any of THEIR accounts. That's a very seriously flawed methodology and has been pointed out by more than one critic.

I wonder if he'd done what he was supposed to do and independently verify their assertion and found that the police were either lying or didn't tell the whole truth, if he'd still have published that study. It would paint the police in a very bad light and corroborate what rape victims have known for a long time: that law enforcement doesn't like to deal with it.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
When I say NO I mean NO.


You can speak for yourself but you can't speak for all women.

That's the problem with feminists. They think they speak for all women. In fact they only speak for themselves.

Most women actually like men.


Who's a feminist? Do you even know what a feminist is? I point out the flaws in the study you posted and that makes me a man-hating person?


Yes, most women like men. Even feminists.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


Actually, you should be careful. You are crossing a line by accusing me of probably being a rapist.

But doesn't that just show the paucity of your argument?

How else can you hope to win this argument against a man unless you try to demonise him?

Isn't this what this thread was always about?

Having a go at men?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
That's called peer review. Results must be replicated or they don't count.


This stick should swing both ways.

The vast majority of 'x number of woman out of 100 are raped every year' type of studies are not peer reviewed either.

Unfortunately, this is one of those topics that has become a public 'hot potatoe' and as such has just as much, if not more, bs floating around than actual scientific study.

And this is for both sides.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


I don't know, you would have to ask him/her.

Either way, I have taught my children, be very clear with your intentions. Be very clear with the other parties intentions. If you have to guess, don't do it.

I wish that the women around me had been far more clear while I was growing up. Would have made certain periods (high school for one
) much less confusing and contentious.
edit on 16-12-2011 by peck420 because: Emoticon booboo


It would really help if we knew how old he was.

I've taught my kids the same--never say something you don't mean. If you say no, that means no. If you say yes, that means yes. Simple and easy to understand.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Gosh you guys,





Ask any man (not a feminist). Sometimes (not usually, not often, sometimes) women say no but mean yes.


Are you adept at distinguishing which yes really means yes, and which no honestly means no?

How does that work exactly?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by HappyBunny
That's called peer review. Results must be replicated or they don't count.


This stick should swing both ways.

The vast majority of 'x number of woman out of 100 are raped every year' type of studies are not peer reviewed either.

Unfortunately, this is one of those topics that has become a public 'hot potatoe' and as such has just as much, if not more, bs floating around than actual scientific study.

And this is for both sides.


Just a simple 10 second search at Google Scholar brought up 714,000 hits. But rape studies aren't peer-reviewed, okay.

I didn't say Kanin's study wasn't peer reviewed. I said it hadn't been verified or his results replicated.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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Gosh you guys,





Ask any man (not a feminist). Sometimes (not usually, not often, sometimes) women say no but mean yes.


Are you adept at distinguishing which yes really means yes, and which no honestly means no?

How does that work exactly?


I was wondering the same thing. I suspect it is whatever he wants it to mean.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
I point out the flaws in the study you posted and that makes me a man-hating person?



Yet the 'flaws' you drag up don't hold water.

Naturally any study by a man that finds that 41% of rape allegations made had been false and that this 41% figure is almost certainly understated (41% of women admitted to the police that they had made false rape allegations) is going to be attacked by feminists.

False Rape Study

Yet the weaknesses of the attacks merely serve to confirm the strength of the study's findings.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


Actually, you should be careful. You are crossing a line by accusing me of probably being a rapist.

But doesn't that just show the paucity of your argument?

How else can you hope to win this argument against a man unless you try to demonise him?

Isn't this what this thread was always about?

Having a go at men?


I like you casino and don't for a moment think you are a rapist and love men, hell I married two.

The guys are now playing the victim card?



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


Actually, you should be careful. You are crossing a line by accusing me of probably being a rapist.


Read over what you've written and see how your responses show the way you think. I qualified what I said with "if", by the way.


But doesn't that just show the paucity of your argument?

How else can you hope to win this argument against a man unless you try to demonise him?


While you go ahead and demonize women by calling us all liars.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
I point out the flaws in the study you posted and that makes me a man-hating person?



Yet the 'flaws' you drag up don't hold water.

Naturally any study by a man that finds that 41% of rape allegations made had been false and that this 41% figure is almost certainly understated (41% of women admitted to the police that they had made false rape allegations) is going to be attacked by feminists.

False Rape Study

Yet the weaknesses of the attacks merely serve to confirm the strength of the study's findings.


There you go again. Same study.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Are you adept at distinguishing which yes really means yes, and which no honestly means no?

How does that work exactly?


To be honest, if a women said no, I would, on the face of it, take that as meaning no.

On the other hand, most communication is non verbal (at least 70%) and I have been in one situation where the body language was clearly saying yes (in an extreme sense) while the voice was saying no.

Subsequently the girl was extremely happy that I had acted on the overall message rather than the 15 to 30% that is verbal. She complained that her previous boyfriend had always stopped when she said 'stop' - much to her frustration.

My point is, to claim that 'no' always means 'no' is just feminist claptrap.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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I'm am unsure if that was sarcasm or not?

The 'study' that sparked this thread has not been peer reviewed and will not be for some time.

This was a preliminary report on year one of a multi-year study. They haven't even sorted out their citations yet (as noted on page 2 of the report (pdf pg #2 not report page #2).

I have found very few actual peer reviewed studies on either side of the issue, and maybe that is why there is a constant problem with the studies that get presented.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.


Actually, you should be careful. You are crossing a line by accusing me of probably being a rapist.

But doesn't that just show the paucity of your argument?

How else can you hope to win this argument against a man unless you try to demonise him?

Isn't this what this thread was always about?

Having a go at men?


So I wanted to be intimate with my wife, she said "no", I said "aww cmon" a few times to which she finally relented and said "sigh..fine". Was that coercion? It happens in the reverse as well, is she also guilty of coercion? No can lead to yes without the need to label it a malicious act.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Are you adept at distinguishing which yes really means yes, and which no honestly means no?

How does that work exactly?


To be honest, if a women said no, I would, on the face of it, take that as meaning no.

On the other hand, most communication is non verbal (at least 70%) and I have been in one situation where the body language was clearly saying yes (in an extreme sense) while the voice was saying no.

Subsequently the girl was extremely happy that I had acted on the overall message rather than the 15 to 30% that is verbal. She complained that her previous boyfriend had always stopped when she said 'stop' - much to her frustration.

My point is, to claim that 'no' always means 'no' is just feminist claptrap.



I understand what you are saying, better to be safe than sorry, but if a women says no, or wants to but deciding is a struggle, perhaps she is wrestling with her own inner demons, better to let the no mean no,



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by primus2012
So I wanted to be intimate with my wife, she said "no", I said "aww cmon" a few times to which she finally relented and said "sigh..fine". Was that coercion? It happens in the reverse as well, is she also guilty of coercion? No can lead to yes without the need to label it a malicious act.


Well...that would depend.

If fear was ever part of the equation, ie: I am afraid that if I don't do this, she/he will do y, than you would have been committing sexual abuse and or rape.

And please note that the law does not define fear, the cause of fear, or protect anybody from irrational fears.

Of course, this would all depend on her/him charging with the police.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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So I wanted to be intimate with my wife, she said "no", I said "aww cmon" a few times to which she finally relented and said "sigh..fine". Was that coercion? It happens in the reverse as well, is she also guilty of coercion? No can lead to yes without the need to label it a malicious act.


OH this is something I know a lot about, lol,



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