Generals confront Obama on NDAA : Bin Ladin has won

I told my family they need to be wary. Stay home and stay out of sight and be as brief in public as possible. The internet already has some boiling spots and I have seen several places where people are discussing taking up arms and armed revolution. When I bring up reason and common sense and lawful procedure they turn me into the enemy so im done discussing it. We have a legal path and the people as a whole merely have to demand it. This insurrection lunacy is not right. I suspect its being pushed by communists. Much like what has been happening in Greece. Socialists get the protests rolling and communists introduce the anarchists and the violence. Its pure insanity. Educated responsible people dont choose violence when there are other paths.

It looks like we are ever closer to armed revolution by the day. There is a large element getting ready to act up.

reply to post by Vitchilo

Those generals should team up, take some troops and put the whole federal government under arrest.

You do realize you are calling for a military coup, don't you?

reply to post by Shadowalker


I don't want an armed revolution, but you honestly think the corruption isn't systemic, and the law can undo the mass of pathology that has become the government.



That actually seems to be insanity, imo.

reply to post by Dukesy


After it passes, there won't be any more amendments until next year.

reply to post by Henley


What did you see when you read through the provisions? I think if you read it you'll change your mind.

The Military Commissions Act passed in 06' made it possible to for US citizens to be designated unlawful enemy combatants.

THIS bill, even IF it does exempt American citizens (which according to lawmakers, judges, senators, human rights activists, generals, etc,. it does NOT exempt US citizens) makes it legal to detain unlawful enemy combatants indefinitely.

You do the math.

Originally posted by Unvarnished
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Obama needs to be impeached for what he is doing to the American people.

Dont give him all the credit, after all it passed with 93 to 7.

Originally posted by Throwback
Can someone please quote the specific text that allows for indefinite detention of American citizens? I'm looking at the revised bill that passed and I all I see is language that excludes Americans citizens.

From H.R. 1450, section 1032:

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND
18 LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
19 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement
20 to detain a person in military custody under this sec-
21 tion does not extend to citizens of the United States.
22 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require-
23 ment to detain a person in military custody under
24 this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien
25 of the United States on the basis of conduct taking 422
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1 place within the United States, except to the extent
2 permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

And this, also from H.R. 1450, found in section 1031:

(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
20 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
21 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
22 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
23 captured or arrested in the United States.

Also there is this provision that, if I am reading correctly, will make sure that a system of checks and balances will be in place, making sure that the executive branch doesn't act unilaterally:

(f) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
25 The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress re-420
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1 garding the application of the authority described in this
2 section, including the organizations, entities, and individ-
3 uals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of sub-
4 section (b)(2).

This is what I found looking through the bill. Unless someone provides text from the bill that proves this is an evil bill, I think that the only people who should be scared of it are terrorists.

This guy spells it out pretty well.
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