NDAA/S.1867 passes the house

US House OKs defense bill with Iran sanctions and new rules for handling terrorism suspects - Reuters

Rollcall coming up for the traitors.

Ackerman
Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Amodei
Andrews
Austria
Baca
Bachus
Barletta
Barrow
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Berkley
Berman
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Boswell
Boustany
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Brown (FL)
Buchanan
Buerkle
Butterfield
Calvert
Camp
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carter
Cassidy
Castor (FL)
Chabot
Chandler
Cicilline
Cole
Conaway
Connolly (VA)
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Cravaack
Crawford
Crenshaw
Critz
Crowley
Cuellar
Culberson
Davis (CA)
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dold
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Duffy
Ellmers
Emerson
Engel
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garamendi
Gardner
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Gonzalez
Granger
Graves (MO)
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Griffin (AR)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanabusa
Hanna
Harper
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Hensarling
Herger
Herrera Beutler
Higgins
Himes
Hirono
Hochul
Holden
Hoyer
Hultgren
Hunter
Inslee
Israel
Issa
Jackson Lee (TX)
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
Keating
Kelly
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Lamborn
Lance
Landry
Langevin
Lankford
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latham
Latta
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Long
Lowey
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lungren, Daniel E.
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCarthy (NY)
McCaul
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
McNerney
Meehan
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Owens
Palazzo
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Paulsen
Pearce
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peterson
Petri
Platts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Price (GA)
Quayle
Rahall
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Reyes
Richardson
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Rothman (NJ)
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Scalise
Schiff
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Scott, David
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Sewell
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Sires
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Sullivan
Sutton
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tsongas
Turner (NY)
Turner (OH)
Upton
Visclosky
Walden
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waxman
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (FL)
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Yoder
Young (AK)
Young (IN)

All of these people need to be arrested and then tried for their crime against the American constitution and the American people.

If they start using that law for real, it will be time to occupy Washington DC with armed protesters. Block all the roads. Everything. Till they resign or start shooting. Either way, they will be OVER.

And if you want to complain or spread the truth about this bill don't worry, they are covering their butts...
MPAA head Chris Dodd : for the internet censorship bill, China is our model
Coming right up.

Also...
FEMA Camps Going Live in All 50 States
All for your freedom.

It seems that America is not too much different than the Countries they invade after all.

Their leaders are never brought to justice. America invades for peace, humanitarian agendas and to oust dictators that are never brought to justice by their people.

And now we have a list of traitors doing the same.

Will they ever pay for their crimes against the American people? No. The next question is...Why?

Peace

reply to post by Vitchilo


Thanks for posting this along with those who voted for it.

Now, the question is how do we demonstrate our distain for this without becoming its first victims and detained indefinitely?

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Thanks for posting this along with those who voted for it.

Now, the question is how do we demonstrate our distain for this without becoming its first victims and detained indefinitely?

Detention and sodomy. Merry Christmas. The American people are going to get their stockings stuffed.

reply to post by jude11


They may be held accountable, but maybe not in the formal manner. I'm not saying they will be killed on the street. I am saying that if this bill leads to serious civil unrest, and the form of government as we know it collapses, then they in some way will be held accountable. I'm saying, it is early in the game. Shame on these representatives, and our current american political system.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Is there a tally on the votes yet? Just curious how many voted against it..

I am speechless and embarrassed for the sake of our founding constituents. How dare TPTB coax those political actors into signing both NDAA and SOPA? Rest in peace American democracy (1776-2011)

Originally posted by rstregooski
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Is there a tally on the votes yet? Just curious how many voted against it..

283 for 136 against. 14 not voting.(cowards)

67.5% voted for it. In the senate it was 93% for it.

Time to break out the:

Tar and Feathers

This is fight or flight for most people in this country.
Most of them don't even know it was legislation in CONgress.
I bet 75% of Americans have no idea about this bill.

Almost identical to the 1973 War Powers Resolution.
It passed without a fight and that started indiscriminate power for them.






Scary times ahead.

reply to post by Vitchilo


no need for violence
just stop paying your taxes

During the American Revolution, only 15% of the colonists supported independence, and only 5%
actually participated. Extrapolated to today's population, and those numbers represent 45 million
and 15 million, respectively. I submit that an even greater percentage are awake and would be
willing to participate in a new revolution. But must it be armed?
The police state control grid has been under construction for decades, and is near complete, if not
already finished. They are ready to deal swiftly and cruelly with your “revolution”, and they're
fully comfortable and unworried that you're prepared to take up arms against them. Our police are
fully militarized, their ranks swelled with military veterans trained to destroy the enemy – which,
whether anyone realizes it or not, is now you. Recruitment policies have favored those of lower
IQ, those who are not smart enough to question immoral orders – such as torturing for noncompliance,
also known as tasering, ten year old children or octogenarians who pose no physical
threat to them; not smart enough to understand the Constitution or their oath to uphold it, and
who are more likely to get off on pushing other people around.
Foreign national police and military forces infest us, and Posse Comitatus – the law forbidding
military presence on American soil – has been reversed. A web of FEMA detention camps spans
the entire country to imprison the millions who will not comply. One need only examine the
police and military response to Hurricane Katrina, where summary judgment – often involving
execution – was handed out on the spot, and the military went door to door confiscating weapons
from law abiding homeowners, leaving them defenseless against the criminals roaming the streets,
to know that these chemically lobotomized, brainwashed thugs will have no problem stamping
your face into the dirt, fellow American or not. And if you are unaware of what went on during
the G20 summit in Pittsburgh, 2009, you will want to acquaint yourself with it.

Leaderless Resistance

And the taxpayer, not content with thus ruining political science, added insult to injury by
damning all its chief ornaments as thieves, and by swearing that he would never let them
rook him again. His bellow was now for the most rigid economy, and he swore that he
would have it if the heavens fell. There was no holding him while the fit was on him. In
many American cities public expenditures were actually reduced. – H.L. Mencken, What is
Going on in the World, Vol. 30, No. 119 (November 1933) pp. 259-260

Where does the State draw its support and funding from to pay for our own enslavement, to
prepare for our inevitable rebellion? Funding and support comes from you. From me. From anyone
who voluntarily supports Leviathan. You are conditioned to think that death and taxes are certain,
but, while you can't escape death, taxes are indeed voluntary and the State is powerless to enforce
their illegal theft so long as enough people refuse to cooperate with it.
During the Great Depression there was such a tax revolt. Not everyone participated in it but it was
sufficient enough in numbers that the government was powerless to do anything about it. They
could only hire people to go door to door begging – begging – people to pay their taxes. What a
glorious example of the real power we, the People, have over even such a grotesque, power-bloated
government. They begged them to pay their taxes. They didn't SWAT team their houses, shoot
their dog, and throw them in jail. They begged them to allow the State to rob them. Let that sink in.

The biggest problem we have now, particularly since the Great Depression, is that spirit of self
sovereignty has been gradually eroded away, so that most Americans not only feel that they must
pay their taxes, even if such taxes are illegal, but that it is their lawful, patriotic duty to do so, and
they are more than happy to do it – anyone who does not is a cheat and a scoundrel and un-
American. Would that I had a dime for every person who got angry at me for telling them that not
only was the State robbing them and their children of their wealth and prosperity, that this theft
was an example of their slavery, but that none of it was legal in the first place.
The only real revolution that will deliver true liberty is a revolution of consciousness. This
revolution demands that you stop looking outward for leaders and saviors, and be your own leader,
your own savior. Within your own mind lies simultaneously the problem and the solution to all
your problems.
You must lead, but you must not allow anyone to follow you, except to encourage them to be their
own leaders. And we must recognize the innate power we as a collective have, that no matter how
powerful the State becomes, it can only function if the people grabs it by the heel and places it
upon their own necks. This is the genius behind the scam, but also the beauty behind the solution:
stop empowering it. Do not vote. Do not pay taxes. Do not join or allow anyone you know to join
the military. Do not invest or spend your money in the mega-corporations, particularly the banks,
which control our government. Become self-sufficient: save your money. Buy gold and silver. Get
off the grid. Produce your own food, water, heat, and electricity. Arm yourself. Educate yourself.
Turn your attention inward. Only you can save you.
Movements and groupthink are nothing but avenues for us to relinquish responsibility for our own
actions, or inactions; for us to play the victim. We stand outside their buildings waxing hysterical
about truth and justice, and they laugh at us as their hired thugs – the militarized police – tear gas
us and assault us with batons, attack dogs and sound cannons. Face it, folks: the game is rigged.
They've very carefully and meticulously created this matrix over generations with nothing but
their own aggrandizement and perpetuation in mind. They haven't come this far to let a mob of
people clamoring for justice stop them.
It is difficult to wrap your head around, because it is part of your programming. Fighting tyranny
and injustice is the American way. The Matrix we live under does not have at its source some
external influence. The global power elite are not aliens (well, maybe they are...), they're not gods
or supervillains. They are a manifestation of the diseased egoic mindset of the collective. They are
you. They are me. If you want justice for these crimes you just as well might wrap the noose
around your own neck.
The only justice to be had in this world is to accept responsibility for your actions, or inactions, and
do what must be done to change. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Take responsibility.
It is ridiculously simple yet staggeringly difficult. We hate them, and yet we think we need them,
or at least someone who will serve us better. For as long as the current egoic malaise exists in the
collective psyche, you can hang all the David Rockefellers and Donald Rumsfelds you like, and
more will simply take their place. Take it to the bank.
This state of the world will change when you change. If you feel like change cannot take place
until enough other people change, then change will never take place. Change only takes place
when you step into your own power, and jealously guard that power and let no one have it. You
are part of the collective, and your own personal awakening evolves the collective towards
consciousness and freedom. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That is all
you can do, and it is enough.
***
My solution is the eradication of society and the State that inevitably accompanies it. That entails,
and would be brought about by, taking a great measure of responsibility for one's own life and
health that, unfortunately, most people are just not willing to shoulder. This is why they deny the
severity of the crisis. This is why they willfully accept lies. Rational acceptance of current reality
requires responsibility and hard work. Television, fashion trends, pop culture and corporate mega
sporting obsessions just don't fit into this equation.
Because of this, there will be a great deal of suffering, including Americans turning on each other
knowing nothing about how to fend for themselves except to beat another over the head and steal
what the other has. Not knowing how to grow food, they will starve, or suffer from malnutrition
and disease, once the currency can no longer buy it, if there's any on the shelves at that point
anyway. This seems extraordinary and extreme, I realize, but when the above scenarios play
themselves out, as is impossible to avoid, what do you think will be the result? Life as you know it,
more or less, continuing as it is?
Surely someone more important and smarter than we are will figure it all out. Never mind that
they are the same “smarter” and “more important” thieves and murderers who created the crisis in
the first place; they have told us they have it all under control, so we should just continue basking
in stupidity, continue reveling in ignorance. This is about as intelligent as employing an arsonist as
a firefighter. For many, blindly hoping or assuming everything will work itself out for the better is
the only solution they're capable of or willing to accept. Get away and shield and protect yourself
from these people with extreme prejudice.

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Can Tea Party and OWS join forces now? Have we realized that those racist, ignorant rednecks and them dirty, lazy hippies are fighting basically for the same thing? Both are against this draconian bill I am sure. Disgusting.

I`m surprised:the American public didn`t take to the streets as soon as this Bill was made public.
Even if Obama doesn`t give the go-ahead just yet.......It`s in place for the future.

America will never have peace, at home or abroad while they keep allowing these criminals the right to run their country.

I am speechless.
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Originally posted by lambros56
I`m surprised:the American public didn`t take to the streets as soon as this Bill was made public.
Even if Obama doesn`t give the go-ahead just yet.......It`s in place for the future.

America will never have peace, at home or abroad while they keep allowing these criminals the right to run their country.

90% of the public are in the dark, not saying I excuse them but most are too busy trying put food on their tables or enjoying their wealth (very few are in between). The bill wasn't made public at least not from the main channels (MSM) and even if it was made public it would be spun with important parts omitted. Most are in a zombie trance (not a figure of speech, basically in a literal sense) and completely oblivious to what is happening.

I guess our last hope is if Obama vetoes this right? Not that I'll hold my breath, but maybe enough people bombard the white house phones and email with the demand to veto this AT ONCE, maybe we'll make a dent. It is campaign year after all.

Oh and to the OP, thank you for posting this. Is there a way you can modify the title (not sure if it's within the rules) or put parenthesis (indefinite detention bill passed) to get more views? Most don't know about this bill existence let alone that it passed. Good work by the way.

And to the posters reading this thread, please flag it for more exposure.

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Hey, thanks for the post. I observe that has just passed the house, but I am shaky on understanding what happens from this point on. What next steps will be taken, and when? How many more chances do we have for this to get turned down?? What is the remaining process before this becomes law? Anybody please help and fill me in.

If it just passed in the house it goes to the senate next. After that the president must sign it.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


Thanks..so does anybody have any opinions on what our chances are of knocking this down. I mean its scary. Who is supporting it? I am willing to bet that the majority of american citizens would oppose this type of litigation. Its such a blatant attempt at destroying our few remaining rights. They are staring American citizens in the eye and basically saying, "This is not your country. It is ours and we will do what we like." I realize that this has been happening in Washington for an untold amount of years, but this appears to be a more blatant reproach on our basic civil rights. The final puzzle seems to be just about in place. Its times like this I wish I believed in a God.

Interesting that gun sales have been unusually high this year. History may be getting ready to repeat itself. I can't imagine how great it would be to live in a free country. I hope I actually get to experience that someday....SOON.

any

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

Originally posted by lambros56
I`m surprised:the American public didn`t take to the streets as soon as this Bill was made public.
Even if Obama doesn`t give the go-ahead just yet.......It`s in place for the future.

America will never have peace, at home or abroad while they keep allowing these criminals the right to run their country.

90% of the public are in the dark, not saying I excuse them but most are too busy trying put food on their tables or enjoying their wealth (very few are in between). The bill wasn't made public at least not from the main channels (MSM) and even if it was made public it would be spun with important parts omitted. Most are in a zombie trance (not a figure of speech, basically in a literal sense) and completely oblivious to what is happening.

I guess our last hope is if Obama vetoes this right? Not that I'll hold my breath, but maybe enough people bombard the white house phones and email with the demand to veto this AT ONCE, maybe we'll make a dent. It is campaign year after all.

Oh and to the OP, thank you for posting this. Is there a way you can modify the title (not sure if it's within the rules) or put parenthesis (indefinite detention bill passed) to get more views? Most don't know about this bill existence let alone that it passed. Good work by the way.

And to the posters reading this thread, please flag it for more exposure.

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I totally agree with you on the Media and 90 per cent of the public not being informed but there didn`t seem to be anyone taking to the streets except for the Occupy movement who i don`t think made any show on it.
I`m just saying, those who knew could have kicked up some kind of fuss which i`m sure would have brought some kind of attention to it.