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The danger of wearing amulets and purchasing antique mystical objects

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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by LUXUS
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There are stories about keris that rattle in the scabbard to warn the owners of danger and also people who bought old keris which only brought them bad luck so that they had to have the keris removed from the house. There are similar story’s about Tibetan daggers (phurba) also like keris sometimes made from meteorite metal.

BTW what is the Indonesian name for those stones?


You can search merah delima(mirah delima) stones or wulung stones (batu wulung).
Both have power of healing and defends in fighting, also attack. For merah delima(red ruby) there are some grade, 6 grades from what i know and in every grade there are some class too.




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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So basically, If I read this right, is that Any object can be used as an object of evil or good intention depending on how or what energy I put into it ??

I can be some Evil dude and enchant some "spell" or "carnation" on any given object ?

So ... I can read up on the book of the dead .. put some charmy thingy on a silver spoon ..then donate it. .. Then the unlucky one who buys this spoon has some bad luck .. or evil djin with him/her now ??

Are you saying that only Silver or gold or quartz is the best way to transfer these Energies ?

What about a Big Mac ... or a Quarter P. with cheese ?? can I invoke them with some energy .. or is the density of said sandwitches too thin to actually get a spirit in there ?

They need a body of some kind of Amulet ?.. or very dense form of "mystic" crystals ?

Only can an Amulet of some incarnation be some "mystical" detriment to someone else ?

""Anall nathrach, oorfas bethud, dorhiel dienvay"." .. Merlin Charm or Making ..

IMHO .. Nothing can affect you unless you Want or Accept it.

NO amulet can .. no chain with a crystal can .. Only YOU can let it in.

Thats the way Energy works !!

You have a choice ... affect you or not ..its YOUR choice..

There is no energy that can move you unless you accept it ..

Fear is your pasture ..live without Fear and your pasture is green ...you have control..

JG.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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"So, I suppose we could test this and prove it to be real? I wonder why none of these people take James Randi on his offer? He will award 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove the supernatural to be real. No one has been able to do so."


I guess you or James Randi has never heard of Savantism or Prodigies. I have watched several interviews with these exceptional individuals. When asked how they know something, how they acquired such gifts, or how gigantic mathematical equations can be solved mentally.... time and time again these people say that they do not know. The skills... the information... the numbers... and the answers "just come to them." If pulling information, numbers, answers, and skillful talents "out of thin air" isn't hard proof of the Ethereal... then I don't know what is.



"How does a demon consume energy again? What does it gain by doing this?"


When we eat fruits, vegetables, or any other good food, what happens? The food ---> compounds ---> chemicals ---> elements ---> atoms ---> energy is processed by our bodies (Energy converted into Energy). What would happen if we could bypass the conversion of substances in this chain? This concept is illustrated by chemosynthesis. What would happen if we could bypass the conversion of 'physical' matter into energy, and just go straight to energy consumption? This concept is illustrated in photosynthesis. There are also many man-made devices which can 'capture' intangible energy for use or conversion. The human body is packed full of bio-electrical and chemical energy. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted into other states.


"If the slave is greater than his master, why is he a slave? "


Many reasons. Fear, trickery, deception, brute force, the slave not knowing he is a slave, and even the herd mentality of accepting what one's peers accepts.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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In Islam, it is said that humans are made from mud and clay. Angels are made from light. Jinn are made of smokeless fire. Jinn have the ability to shape-shift into animals, remain invisible, or show their true form. They are said to whisper ideas of sin and back-sliding into the ears and hearts of mankind.

Best explanation so far for what their origin, their form, and the "rules" they abide by. This man gets a cookie. (well a star anyway) Is any one listening?


edit on 15-12-2011 by intrptr because: clarification...



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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One without fear is one without demons.

Thats a hoot. Men "without fear" are either liars or on adrenalin. Fear is a heathy emotion. Thats why we have it.
Fear of demons is proper as well. We are either protected from or bothered by them. Humans have very little real authority over good or evil (because we're human). Depending on our bent, one or the other may operate thru us or deliver us. People can't turn one hair white or black, what power can we possibly have over demons? Best we an hope to do is recognize (thru fear) that we are being afflicted and humbly pray for intervention and deliverance.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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I couldn't make it through the video.

To those who give these objects; you really shouldn't intrude upon someone with your mystical or religious beliefs that you think are "gifts" of luck and or healing. You could be doing more harm than good and it's interfering.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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I'm a bit impressed by reading the interest regarding the matter from non believer and non Muslim members.
I didnt watch the video yet but I think i know the "symptoms"

My addidition is : Its TRUE. Consider reading maung response to educate yourself.

I have my own "encounter" with one of them, brief seconds but last forever.

Due to older Abrahamic religion doesnt touch the subject deeply, Jews, Christians are in the dark about it. Seculars and others are in the dark too.
Simple: If you believe prophet Solomon, then you should know who build his castle.

I highly support searching these jinn through science, please do, it weigh equal or more than searching the UFO/aliens. They are here before us and still with us and we have more UFO pic than them.

Check the links below on what they can do, and do it easily, and they do not do it through technology like the aliens or us.
On Muslim perspective, even though they have superpower, humans will and already override them, so no panic, they are destined to be the lower race even though with the magic they have.
2 bomoh/shaman capture 9 jinn
News collection of the event

The trap the jinn in bottle and throw it to the sea - common method



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Thanks for your replies. Could you tell me what Jinn are exactly? Where they come from? How they got here? What their purpose is? Same thing with demons...?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Thanks for the info. I'm gonna try to get more information on this.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Hydroman
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Thanks for your replies. Could you tell me what Jinn are exactly? Where they come from? How they got here? What their purpose is? Same thing with demons...?


It is my understanding that Jinn are demons.

What is the human purpose? Where did consciousness or sentience come from? What happened to cause subatomic particles to form atoms... to come together into elements... to form compounds... to form organic proteins... to self-replicate... to reproduce... to form life? What caused pure energy to spread into the frequencies, spectrums, wave-lengths, or densities? Where did gravity come from? Where did all energy and matter come from? If the Big Bang or Universal Singularity is a truth, what caused it and what happened before it?

Science can only speculate, conceptualize, and theorize about the existence that we can directly see and experience. So asking me the origins of any thing at all is out of my direct knowledge.

Can you see the entire spectrum of light? Can you hear the complete spectrum of sound vibrations? Can you see gravity? Can you see dark matter or dark energy? You can not perceive these but you accept them as real. The energy outside of human perceptions was not even measurable until the advent of scientific technology, yet it always existed.

Do your eyes see reality, or is your brain merely deciphering photonic information? Does this mean that without Light nothing exists?

You are beginning to ask tremendous questions about this topic that you can't even answer about mankind or perceivable reality.

Understand as you wish, and I shall understand as I wish. Peace be unto you.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

So, I suppose we could test this and prove it to be real? I wonder why none of these people take James Randi on his offer? He will award 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove the supernatural to be real. No one has been able to do so.



James Randi? Really? Randi's publicity stunt now constitutes an absolute arbiter of reality? Randi pulls the MDC out when he's looking for donations to JREF.. There are problems with the MDC, primarily that it would never be accepted as scientific proof of anything. That sort of proof requires replication, something the MDC cannot provide. Randi is also a known liar, misrepresenting evidence to the media, and apparently fabricating nonsense to promote his "skeptical" viewpoint.

dailygrail.com...

www.dailygrail.com...

www.dailygrail.com...

Pay particular attention to the last link:




Upon seeing the phony announcement, and apparently without properly checking things out, Randi decided to give one of his annual psi-mocking "Uri Awards" to this receipt of a phony grant. Thus, on April 1, 1983, Randi's Discover news release gave a "Uri" in the funding category: 'To the Medtronics Corporation of Minneapolis, who gave $250,000 to a Mr. Stillings of that city to fund the Archaeus Project, devoted to observing people who bend spoons at parties. Mr. Stillings then offered financial assistance to a prominent young spoon-bender who turned out to be one of the masquerading magicians of Project Alpha -- a confessed fake." In this incredible award statement, Randi managed to falsely identify a major corporation as the funding source (when no source was ever mentioned in the original announcement), escalated the award from $217,000 to $250,000, misdescribed the purpose of the phony award, and falsely claimed one of his associates had been offered funds!


Invoking the name of a disreputable huckster like James Randi and his MDC red herring is poor skepticism. Randi's questionable antics have left him a rather uncredible source of reason. Don't defend Randi by claiming he has outed frauds, while this is true, it's akin to defending a corrupt cop because he locks up gang bangers, drug dealers and muggers. Question everything, but practice caution and don't be afraid to question the basis for your own skepticism and that of others.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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The imam in the OP's video is doing a very good job.

This woman needs to be exorcised. Coercing spirits (invoking them and getting them to do what you want) is a worldwide phenomenon. Virtually every religion has to deal with it in one way or another. Spirit infestations are not always as noticeable as with the woman on the telephone line. The phenomenon is much more widespread than people generally believe and can ruin one's life.

Malicious spirits are fundamentally nostalgic for life in a body, like they used to have. They also like to facilitate a lot of mischief that they couldn't do themselves when in a body. It's like teenagers stealing a car and going on a joyride and crashing it into the ditch.

People should not fool around with spirits or diminish their natural (electrical, auric) resistance to spirit infestation by abusing drink, drugs or sex. All manner of trouble can result.

Many crazed criminals will say they don't remember committing the crimes or say that they were gripped by a kind of daze when they committed the crimes. Those are signs of spirit infestation.

The following video clip is a superb portrayal by an actor of a criminal in the grip of spirit infestation.

Warning: It is very frightening.




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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regardless of what you want to call this entity, it is just a lower vibration, put there or placed there by someone or something.

the universe has a law of free will, if you are open to attack by a vibration such as this, it will occur. simple as that. if you ask it to leave you alone, it will. if not, there are ways to remove such things.

when buying or receiving anything that is old or used, it is best to perform a smudge and cleanse it. that should be standard practice.

its all just energy, it can be moved, removed, heightened or diminished. when you feed more fear and negativity (low dense energy) into a person or object already filled with that, or an entity feeding off that, you make it stronger. just take that energy away, they have nothing to feed on....

Much Peace!



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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A jinn can be attached to an amulet by knowing the name of the spirit, to know its name is to have power over it. The one who made the amulet would have summoned a jinn and then bound it to the object by writing its name on it along with its task. Only when it completes its task will it be free.
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What if it never completes it's appointed task? Is it then forever bound to the artifact? Or will it simply wait for the next generation to try again?
If you listen when the Imam (I am assuming) questions the djinn; he asks who its creator is. It tells him several times " Baaaad or is it Baaaal? Could also be Baird" Might be the name of the Magician or the one who bound it in the first place. Very interesting post nonetheless.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Thanks for the response and the info. I was not aware of that.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Sahabi

The energy outside of human perceptions was not even measurable until the advent of scientific technology, yet it always existed.
And isn't that why many things were attributed to the works of gods, because they didn't realize or understand that it was natural phenomena?


Originally posted by Sahabi
Do your eyes see reality, or is your brain merely deciphering photonic information? Does this mean that without Light nothing exists?
We have five senses, not just one. We can use the other senses as well to detect things, or other scientific/technological means. In the future, who knows what we'll be able to understand with newer technology and knowledge that we don't understand today?


Now, couldn't much of this Jinn/Demon stuff be due to brain malfunction? I knew a girl who said that her electrical outlets were telling her to kill her child. It was a medical condition, not a demon.

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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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All this mystical mumbo jumbo is simply people wanting to claim something is at fault beyond themselves and simple randomness of life.


No Saturn, it isn't coincidence or random, it happens to happen to often the positive and the negative.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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the closer we get to creating intelligent AI that can learn from its mistakes, the more i realize that we are engineered organisms, fitted with various devices, such as sound, touch, smell, and light sensors, with memory storage units (brain), anti-virus programs (immune system), high impact cases (bones) with shock absorption (fatty tissues, muscles, tendons, ligaments), periphereal hardware for exploring environments (feet, hands, eyes, ears, etc) and software to use it efficiently (brain functions related to gathering data and storing it such as walking thru the woods, or swimming in a lake, taking a test, and so on), power cords (food goes in, gets translated into energy and distributed through out the mechanism). and on and on.

the more science understands about nature and hypernature (artificiality in this example), the more it sounds like we are simply very advanced machines, running very advanced programs, having a data collection experience of massive proportions.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Your questions cracked me up throughout this thread, dude! Just had to say it


Why are you so interested in learning about all that though? You obviously don't believe much of it.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Arsenalwa
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Your questions cracked me up throughout this thread, dude! Just had to say it


Why are you so interested in learning about all that though? You obviously don't believe much of it.


he/she believes that if he/she can convince everyone that 6000 years of history were mostly false, and that gods, demons and angels don't exist, that the world will suddenly be good and stuff.



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