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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:01 PM
Good. Maybe they can shut down forever.

Federal Budget (Payroll Tax Extension Debate)

Senate Democrats said that unless the Keystone and other environmental provisions were dropped from the payroll tax plan, they would block action on a separate omnibus spending bill to finance much of the government for the remainder of the current fiscal year. The current continuing resolution was set to expire on Dec. 16.

So if the payroll tax plan ain't passed, the democrats are saying they will block any government funding bill. And the money ends on December 16.

Government shutdown preparations begin as funding talks stall

The Obama administration is alerting employees to the possibility of a partial government shutdown if talks on bills to fund the government and extend the payroll tax cut collapse later this week.

With Congress facing a midnight Friday deadline to either pass a short-term or final measure to fund government operations for the remainder of the fiscal year, Cabinet secretaries and agency heads planned to send an e-mail message to workers by close of business Wednesday informing them that a shutdown could occur, according to multiple administration officials familiar with the plans.

A shutdown would not apply to a wide swath of agencies and departments that already have full-year funding in place thanks to a partial spending bill that passed in November, including the departments of Agriculture, Commerce, House and Urban Development, Justice, State, and Transportation, NASA, and other smaller agencies covered by separate appropriations measures.

So basically shutdown but no real shutdown.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:04 PM
I don't like the idea of the Government shutting down for good. I like getting paid and supporting my family.

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Hydroman
I don't like the idea of the Government shutting down for good. I like getting paid and supporting my family.

What is it that you do?

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Hydroman
I don't like the idea of the Government shutting down for good. I like getting paid and supporting my family.

Eat your peas!

I'm guessing you work in the defense (war) industry?
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by Hydroman
I don't like the idea of the Government shutting down for good. I like getting paid and supporting my family.

Eat your peas!

I'm guessing you work in the defense (war) industry?

I do work for the DoD, but not in the war industry. I work for the USACE, civilian.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:09 PM
What a bunch of sociopathic spendthrifts. I can't watch anymore. Look at em ... putting the entire budget in gridlock because someone didn't get it their way. And look at us, not giving a shiz.

Republican vs Democrat = Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, we lose.

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by Hydroman
I don't like the idea of the Government shutting down for good. I like getting paid and supporting my family.

Eat your peas!

I'm guessing you work in the defense (war) industry?

I do work for the DoD, but not in the war industry. I work for the USACE, civilian.
edit on 14-12-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

Well even if the government were to shutdown tomorrow, you wouldn't be furloughed, bet on that.

USACE is very important and are doing a good job.

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well even if the government were to shutdown tomorrow, you wouldn't be furloughed, bet on that.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. Yet, the last time this happened, it was determined who was essential and who wasn't so that if the budget wasn't passed we'd know who was going home and who wasn't. Those who weren't essential had to decide whether or not they were going to use their stored up leave for the time they would be off or just take the time off without pay and hope to be back-paid.

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:19 PM

Originally posted by followtheevidence

Republican vs Democrat = Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, we lose.

lol sorry had me rollin great anology !

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:48 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo


perfect time for a tax revolt
during the great depression there was a massive one

did the authorities throw them in jail?

they hired people to go door to door and beg people to pay their taxes, yes for real, they begged people to allow the government to rob them, think about that.

you get what you pay for and don't waste my time with schools and highways
very little of your taxes actually go to pay for such.

but most will continue to feed leviathan, the same who will surprised when leviathan devours them.

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:07 PM
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

Good reminder !

When thousands of Chicago property owners went on a tax strike, the mayor threatened to cut off their water.

Depression-era taxpayers had perhaps even greater reason to be angry than their modern counterparts. Property values plummeted after 1929 but tax reassessments lagged. Overall, taxes nearly doubled to 21.1% of national income in 1932 from 11.6% in 1929, according to a 1940 Tax Policy Institute report.

Meanwhile, unemployment skyrocketed. Local property tax delinquency rose to a record (still standing) of 26.3% in 1933, from 10.1% in 1930. In many places, the tax system broke down and payment became almost voluntary. Throughout the country, Americans formed "taxpayers' leagues" to demand spending cuts, arguing that since they had tightened their belts, politicians should too. According to an article in the National Municipal Review, at least 3,000 such groups had emerged by 1933 compared to only 47 in 1927. Because of tax league pressure, 19 states and numerous localities brought property levies under control by capping mill rates or limiting overall property taxes to a percentage of assessed value.

The Forgotten Tax Revolt of the 1930s

sounds familiar !

posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:12 PM
reply to post by xuenchen

thank you for the new link

had to extemporize a bit but i managed to find my sources and a bit more

During the American Revolution, only 15% of the colonists supported independence, and only 5%
actually participated. Extrapolated to today's population, and those numbers represent 45 million
and 15 million, respectively. I submit that an even greater percentage are awake and would be
willing to participate in a new revolution. But must it be armed?
The police state control grid has been under construction for decades, and is near complete, if not
already finished. They are ready to deal swiftly and cruelly with your “revolution”, and they're
fully comfortable and unworried that you're prepared to take up arms against them. Our police are
fully militarized, their ranks swelled with military veterans trained to destroy the enemy – which,
whether anyone realizes it or not, is now you. Recruitment policies have favored those of lower
IQ, those who are not smart enough to question immoral orders – such as torturing for noncompliance,
also known as tasering, ten year old children or octogenarians who pose no physical
threat to them; not smart enough to understand the Constitution or their oath to uphold it, and
who are more likely to get off on pushing other people around.
Foreign national police and military forces infest us, and Posse Comitatus – the law forbidding
military presence on American soil – has been reversed. A web of FEMA detention camps spans
the entire country to imprison the millions who will not comply. One need only examine the
police and military response to Hurricane Katrina, where summary judgment – often involving
execution – was handed out on the spot, and the military went door to door confiscating weapons
from law abiding homeowners, leaving them defenseless against the criminals roaming the streets,
to know that these chemically lobotomized, brainwashed thugs will have no problem stamping
your face into the dirt, fellow American or not. And if you are unaware of what went on during
the G20 summit in Pittsburgh, 2009, you will want to acquaint yourself with it.

Leaderless Resistance

And the taxpayer, not content with thus ruining political science, added insult to injury by
damning all its chief ornaments as thieves, and by swearing that he would never let them
rook him again. His bellow was now for the most rigid economy, and he swore that he
would have it if the heavens fell. There was no holding him while the fit was on him. In
many American cities public expenditures were actually reduced. – H.L. Mencken, What is
Going on in the World, Vol. 30, No. 119 (November 1933) pp. 259-260

Where does the State draw its support and funding from to pay for our own enslavement, to
prepare for our inevitable rebellion? Funding and support comes from you. From me. From anyone
who voluntarily supports Leviathan. You are conditioned to think that death and taxes are certain,
but, while you can't escape death, taxes are indeed voluntary and the State is powerless to enforce
their illegal theft so long as enough people refuse to cooperate with it.
During the Great Depression there was such a tax revolt. Not everyone participated in it but it was
sufficient enough in numbers that the government was powerless to do anything about it. They
could only hire people to go door to door begging – begging – people to pay their taxes. What a
glorious example of the real power we, the People, have over even such a grotesque, power-bloated
government. They begged them to pay their taxes. They didn't SWAT team their houses, shoot
their dog, and throw them in jail. They begged them to allow the State to rob them. Let that sink in.

The biggest problem we have now, particularly since the Great Depression, is that spirit of self
sovereignty has been gradually eroded away, so that most Americans not only feel that they must
pay their taxes, even if such taxes are illegal, but that it is their lawful, patriotic duty to do so, and
they are more than happy to do it – anyone who does not is a cheat and a scoundrel and un-
American. Would that I had a dime for every person who got angry at me for telling them that not
only was the State robbing them and their children of their wealth and prosperity, that this theft
was an example of their slavery, but that none of it was legal in the first place.
The only real revolution that will deliver true liberty is a revolution of consciousness. This
revolution demands that you stop looking outward for leaders and saviors, and be your own leader,
your own savior. Within your own mind lies simultaneously the problem and the solution to all
your problems.
You must lead, but you must not allow anyone to follow you, except to encourage them to be their
own leaders. And we must recognize the innate power we as a collective have, that no matter how
powerful the State becomes, it can only function if the people grabs it by the heel and places it
upon their own necks. This is the genius behind the scam, but also the beauty behind the solution:
stop empowering it. Do not vote. Do not pay taxes. Do not join or allow anyone you know to join
the military. Do not invest or spend your money in the mega-corporations, particularly the banks,
which control our government. Become self-sufficient: save your money. Buy gold and silver. Get
off the grid. Produce your own food, water, heat, and electricity. Arm yourself. Educate yourself.
Turn your attention inward. Only you can save you.
Movements and groupthink are nothing but avenues for us to relinquish responsibility for our own
actions, or inactions; for us to play the victim. We stand outside their buildings waxing hysterical
about truth and justice, and they laugh at us as their hired thugs – the militarized police – tear gas
us and assault us with batons, attack dogs and sound cannons. Face it, folks: the game is rigged.
They've very carefully and meticulously created this matrix over generations with nothing but
their own aggrandizement and perpetuation in mind. They haven't come this far to let a mob of
people clamoring for justice stop them.
It is difficult to wrap your head around, because it is part of your programming. Fighting tyranny
and injustice is the American way. The Matrix we live under does not have at its source some
external influence. The global power elite are not aliens (well, maybe they are...), they're not gods
or supervillains. They are a manifestation of the diseased egoic mindset of the collective. They are
you. They are me. If you want justice for these crimes you just as well might wrap the noose
around your own neck.
The only justice to be had in this world is to accept responsibility for your actions, or inactions, and
do what must be done to change. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Take responsibility.
It is ridiculously simple yet staggeringly difficult. We hate them, and yet we think we need them,
or at least someone who will serve us better. For as long as the current egoic malaise exists in the
collective psyche, you can hang all the David Rockefellers and Donald Rumsfelds you like, and
more will simply take their place. Take it to the bank.
This state of the world will change when you change. If you feel like change cannot take place
until enough other people change, then change will never take place. Change only takes place
when you step into your own power, and jealously guard that power and let no one have it. You
are part of the collective, and your own personal awakening evolves the collective towards
consciousness and freedom. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That is all
you can do, and it is enough.
My solution is the eradication of society and the State that inevitably accompanies it. That entails,
and would be brought about by, taking a great measure of responsibility for one's own life and
health that, unfortunately, most people are just not willing to shoulder. This is why they deny the
severity of the crisis. This is why they willfully accept lies. Rational acceptance of current reality
requires responsibility and hard work. Television, fashion trends, pop culture and corporate mega
sporting obsessions just don't fit into this equation.
Because of this, there will be a great deal of suffering, including Americans turning on each other
knowing nothing about how to fend for themselves except to beat another over the head and steal
what the other has. Not knowing how to grow food, they will starve, or suffer from malnutrition
and disease, once the currency can no longer buy it, if there's any on the shelves at that point
anyway. This seems extraordinary and extreme, I realize, but when the above scenarios play
themselves out, as is impossible to avoid, what do you think will be the result? Life as you know it,
more or less, continuing as it is?
Surely someone more important and smarter than we are will figure it all out. Never mind that
they are the same “smarter” and “more important” thieves and murderers who created the crisis in
the first place; they have told us they have it all under control, so we should just continue basking
in stupidity, continue reveling in ignorance. This is about as intelligent as employing an arsonist as
a firefighter. For many, blindly hoping or assuming everything will work itself out for the better is
the only solution they're capable of or willing to accept. Get away and shield and protect yourself
from these people with extreme prejudice.


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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 10:22 PM
Dems Drop Millionaires Tax in Year-End Dispute

Democrats backed away from their demand for higher taxes on millionaires as part of legislation to extend Social Security tax cuts for most Americans on Wednesday as Congress struggled to clear critical year-end bills without triggering a partial government shutdown.

Jettisoning the tax could also require Democrats to agree to politically painful savings elsewhere in the budget to replace the estimated $140 billion the tax would have raised over a decade.

So 14 billion a year more in deficit. No biggie.

posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:01 PM
Aw the government MIGHT NOT shutdown... but we'll see tomorrow.

Congress Agrees on Spending Deal Likely to Avert Government Shutdown

Republicans and Democrats in Congress found a compromise way Thursday night out of a deeply partisan standoff that threatened millions of Americans with a big New Year's tax increase, the unemployed with loss of government benefits and the whole federal government with a shutdown.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said congressional bargainers were preparing a two-month extension of the payroll tax cut and expiring jobless benefits as a fallback plan in case negotiations on a yearlong package do not succeed.

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