My problem with sex ed, aids, stds and other fear mongering

First std's, public schools teach that STD's are caused by casual sex with multiple partners and that even one time can give you a sexually transmitted disease. Why married couples are immune from this "just once" phenomenon is not explained.

It is also not explained why porn stars are not all dead of sexual diseases. The schools don't talk about porn so this too is not addressed, but if the pc police relaxed a bit schools might explain it by saying that sone do get diseases. Okay, some, but not all. They might say that it's because they get tested, but if casual sex causes the disease to be spread, getting tested before you have sex won't do anything. Either they say sex causes the disease or it is so rare only a few actually have it. Or, a simple test erases the fear.

Aids is another weird one. First of all it was transmitted from a monkey to a man. How? We can only speculate. And it's not pretty. Sort of reminds me of the man bear pig swine flu disease. Then we have aids and HIV, two different but sort of similar things, kind of like al qaeda and the taliban. So if you get HIV you die, unless you are magic johnson. Then they swy aids is a gay disease. So are heterosexuals safe? Well of course not, if aids can travel from a monkey to a man surely it can travel from a gay man to a straight man, right? Lol.

I was in a fraternity, with lots of promiscuous guys and none of them got aids or an std. Neither did I although my experiences were not as frequent. So I can't say I have been personally affected.

I'm not denying aids exists, after all I now know that swine flu was created in a lab so i'm sure the military probably invented it. I just don't believe it is as bad as other things.

Here is something posibly worse: latex infection. Sex ed teaches that condoms can prevent stds, but not aids. Okay but what if you are allergic or sensitive to latex? That's why they teach abstinence as the only prevention. But then what about the married couples? No one would be here if our parents practiced abstinence. Or the nonmarried parents.

I guess I must be missing your point.

Are you saying STD's are blown out of proportion?

Or what?


Plus condoms are made out of other materials too, if one is allergic to latex.

Married people can get STD's just like anyone else. Whether it is by a disease brought to the relationship by one or both, blood contamination, or cheating during the relationship.


I seriously don't get what you are trying to say with your OP.

reply to post by filosophia

First std's, public schools teach that STD's are caused by casual sex with multiple partners and that even one time can give you a sexually transmitted disease.

You can get an STD from having sex just one.

Why married couples are immune from this "just once" phenomenon is not explained.

If you're marrying someone with an STD chances are you're going to be OK with contracting the disease.

I was in a fraternity, with lots of promiscuous guys and none of them got aids or an std. Neither did I although my experiences were not as frequent. So I can't say I have been personally affected.

I'm sure some did and decided not to advertise it. Maybe not though, I've been rather cavalier in my personal life and have yet to get the nasties.

I just don't believe it is as bad as other things.

You might change your mind if you ever get it and start wasting away with a long and painful death.

Here is something posibly worse: latex infection. Sex ed teaches that condoms can prevent stds, but not aids. Okay but what if you are allergic or sensitive to latex?

They make condoms for people that are allergic to latex.

But then what about the married couples? No one would be here if our parents practiced abstinence.

I don't think anyone anywhere preaches that married couples can't have sex.

Ive been through both public and private school and neither one pushed abstinence.

They sold the idea by saying it's better than having a kid and it's better than it burning when you pee but they didnt push it as some absolute must do or you'll burn in hell or anything like that.

They did both really oversell the fear factor of STD transmission. Granted I went though around the time that AIDS was the big scary epidemic coming to kill us all and the topic of every newscast.

I thought it was pretty ridiculous how they made STD's out to be some bed-ridden writhing in pain ordeal that will leave you unclean and unwanted like a leper for the rest of your life. Both the public and private schools.

Fear-mongering for your own good I guess. Not unlike government.

reply to post by filosophia

Then they swy aids is a gay disease. So are heterosexuals safe? Well of course not, if aids can travel from a monkey to a man surely it can travel from a gay man to a straight man, right? Lol.

You know that women can get AIDS too, right?

Ever heard of AIDS babies?

Where do you think the babies got it from?...

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

I thought it was pretty ridiculous how they made STD's out to be some bed-ridden writhing in pain ordeal that will leave you unclean and unwanted like a leper for the rest of your life.

Well I'm certainly not going to continue romancing a young lady if I find out she has bed bugs.

Originally posted by Domo1

Well I'm certainly not going to continue romancing a young lady if I find out she has bed bugs.

Nor should you. But it's not the end of the world if you contracted scabies in one way or another. My brother got it from Salvation Army clothes. He was not sexually active at the time. Just a kid.

There are very few things that if contracted are of the "end of the world" concern.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

There are very few things that if contracted are of the "end of the world" concern.

Very true. There are a few women in the world whose little monsters I would gladly share if I got to know them (the women not the monsters).

Could it be that you may not have been focusing on the points they were actually trying to make during the classes?

Being in a married mutually monogamous relationship gives you a much greater likelihood of NOT contracting a sexually transmitted infection (STI), but it also depends on whether each of the partners was uninfected prior to the start of the relationship. It also makes a difference whether or not they remain faithful to each other.

You mentioned about all the guys in the fraternity not having contracted any STIs, but it is possible that they might have picked up infections that they were not aware of. For example, Human Papilloma Virus is strongly associated with cervical cancer in women. For guys, there are no symptoms and no associated cancers, but they can transmit the virus from one infected woman to another if protection is not used. That's why doctors have women go through so many Pap smears.

Condoms are heavily promoted for blocking the transmission of STIs. They are not 100% effective because not everyone uses them properly -- they might come off, they might break, they might not be put on right, etc. Abstinence (not engaging in sex) is much more effective when actually practiced.

I think that the instructors at the schools where you took the classes were probably doing the best they could within the constraints of the school system that they were in. I suspect that they might have been under heavy pressure to not try to espouse any particular value system. I know, there's always the argument about what to do about the ones who aren't going to listen and have extra-marital sex anyways without being able to just come out and saying that it might not be such a good idea. But it's sort of like telling "little Johnnie" to make sure he has his helmet on and his reflective vest and uses traffic cones just in case he happens to be outside playing in the middle of traffic ("we can't tell him not to play in traffic because that would be imposing our moral values on him -- we musn't have any of that").

reply to post by filosophia

First std's, public schools teach that STD's are caused by casual sex with multiple partners and that even one time can give you a sexually transmitted disease. Why married couples are immune from this "just once" phenomenon is not explained.

Because if none of the partners has an STD the other won't get it. And if a married couple doesn't sleep around they can't pick up a virus/bacteria.

It is also not explained why porn stars are not all dead of sexual diseases. The schools don't talk about porn so this too is not addressed, but if the pc police relaxed a bit schools might explain it by saying that sone do get diseases. Okay, some, but not all. They might say that it's because they get tested, but if casual sex causes the disease to be spread, getting tested before you have sex won't do anything. Either they say sex causes the disease or it is so rare only a few actually have it. Or, a simple test erases the fear.

A TON of porn stars died of AIDS. But since awareness of the virus increased, the screening is tougher, and protection is sometimes used too. So of course the cases dropped, just like they dropped wherever they introduced condoms and education about the STD.

Aids is another weird one. First of all it was transmitted from a monkey to a man. How? We can only speculate. And it's not pretty. Sort of reminds me of the man bear pig swine flu disease. Then we have aids and HIV, two different but sort of similar things, kind of like al qaeda and the taliban. So if you get HIV you die, unless you are magic johnson. Then they swy aids is a gay disease. So are heterosexuals safe? Well of course not, if aids can travel from a monkey to a man surely it can travel from a gay man to a straight man, right? Lol.

I suggest you read up on AIDS, at least read the Wiki article. The virus can lay dormant for years, and with modern medicine, you can keep the virus count low for a long time nowadays. It's still a death sentence, but life expectancy of someone with HIV isn't all that bad. Also, HIV and AIDS isn't the same. You can carry the HI virus, and the disease (AIDS) hasn't broken out (yet). And as I said, with medication you can keep the virus count low enough to draw out the time when the disease breaks out.

Anyway, read the article...because you don't seem to understand how the disease works.

I'm not denying aids exists, after all I now know that swine flu was created in a lab so i'm sure the military probably invented it. I just don't believe it is as bad as other things.

Well, it's still a death sentence...so not sure what you mean with "not as bad". There's viruses that act way quicker and that show waaaaay worse symptoms a lot earlier. Ebola for example. But in the end, death is death.

Here is something posibly worse: latex infection. Sex ed teaches that condoms can prevent stds, but not aids. Okay but what if you are allergic or sensitive to latex? That's why they teach abstinence as the only prevention. But then what about the married couples? No one would be here if our parents practiced abstinence. Or the nonmarried parents.

The percentage of the population with a latex allergy is tiny. And condoms decrease the chances of infection drastically...not only for HIV, but a ton of other STDs. The numbers don't lie, and in places where condoms are now common place, the rate of infection has gone down drastically. The same can't be said for preaching abstinence...you know, human nature and all

But I can calm you down, you won't have to be scared about STDs if you and your partner don't have one, and if you both don't sleep around with someone who could potentially carry a virus/bacteria.

reply to post by filosophia

What I find scary is that with all of the info out there on all kinds of STDs, you haven't seemed to absorb any of it. Yes it happens in the porn industry (google Marc Wallice). Yes there are options to latex condoms, and yes, nice people get STDs.

If you are sexually active, you'd better get educated right quick or you, too, can become a statistic!

As a Teacher who has taught Personal Development classes - I did push the issue of sexually transmitted diseases. Answered every question and informed the Students that for some people - they have sex once and they have a sexually transmitted disease for the rest of their life.

Explained the difference between the two types of herpes. Explained that chlamydia can render a person sterile and for the women - no discernible symptoms and women can end up in hospital with a drip in their arm - this was explained to me by a doctor.

In essence I drummed it in and several weeks later I asked - when discussing life issues - whether I had scared them with regard to sexually transmitted diseases - they told me no Miss but you did make us think. At an entirely different school Students started to talk about the contraceptive pill and the conversation opened up and we discussed pregnancy and sexually related diseases - the last question was - so Miss what do condoms do? I told them it really only catches the fluid - because there are skin contact diseases - not just the sexual variety.

I am pleased the Students feel comfortable enough to ask me questions because I want them to be empowered and not ignorant. It was during these lessons that I learned that there are fifteen year olds who have already decided to not have Children - the same age I was when I made the same decision. There are also Students who have decided they want to start families and I am pleased that they now have information that can assist them with their personal life decisions.

Much Peace...