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White House will not veto defense bill

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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No it is just 2012, and you all thought it was the end of the world, no just they way we live , how things use to be and how one had seen things, it is a whole new order the Birth of the NWO, just how painful it will be???




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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I used to be in your shoes as well. And I'm sorry you feel this way. In regards to your stand in politics there's one man you can count on that won't betray you or any other American and his name is Ron Paul. Vote for him instead of these money whores and immediate flip-flopper, and war mongers. Give him a chance. If you don't like what he puts on the table you can do what you wish. Just merely giving my suggestion.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Allow me to be blunt.

Government is the prison bully who gets to marry anyone he wants.
Now that prison bully can be GOP, DNC, progressive, or a damned alien!

What we need to do is weaken that prison bully. Through votes, elections of the right people, shrinking government, we can make the prison bully OUR b$&@!!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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I agree. I just hope I don't get shot for "conspiring" against the government when I do.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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I think I saw this coming when I first saw The Running Man...



I guess they will make us wear neck bombs to if we try to escape...
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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I just dont seeing it being possible until it is too late. Like I mentioned earlier my coworkers have no idea about any of this. There is just too much control right now. Although I agree with you I just dont see it being possible right now.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Of course Obaman won't veto, he is a center right politician.

I don't get why the Republicans don't like him as he gives them everything they want W/O ever once calling them out and holding the line on the things that they do which only benefit the few. 'Fore I'm called out by those on the right about that for examples, every Republican bill placed before Obama to rubber stamp was written for their core constituents (folks with $), EVERY bill. But again, I don't know what he needs to do to show him that he's theirs?

Derek



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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It was obvious Obama wouldn't veto this bill...

Section targeting American citizens in S.1867/NDAA was put there by Obama

Funny uh that this thread was ignored...



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by underduck

I really was an Obama fan. Even through all the birther debates and backed him pointing at how the right stonewalls anything good from happening. NO MORE. The last year of his presidency has been a smack in the face to everyone I know who backed him. I cant tell the difference in these guys anymore. It is all the same crap every term. The Obama presidency is why have lost all faith in American politics. The whole thing is one big joke at the expense of everyone who doesnt have millions of dollars.


If there is anything good to come from Obama's wave of chope this is it. A massive chunk of duped constituents have been shown the reality of American politics in such a blatant and offensive way through his actions that maybe, just maybe, real change can occur.

Perhaps that was what "change" was all about? Him being a sacrificial lamb to illustrate the total tyranny of the United States government all-inclusive dems and reps. Nah, nobody is that altruistic.

It's us v them alright. Just not the us v them the people have been sold since 1794. It's the us v them that started in 1794 and never let up.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

I really was an Obama fan. Even through all the birther debates and backed him pointing at how the right stonewalls anything good from happening. NO MORE. The last year of his presidency has been a smack in the face to everyone I know who backed him. I cant tell the difference in these guys anymore. It is all the same crap every term. The Obama presidency is why have lost all faith in American politics. The whole thing is one big joke at the expense of everyone who doesnt have millions of dollars.




I can only hope your'e right. I can say that I have had a veil lifted from over my eyes. It wasnt the first one but there is a new understanding in my head that wasnt there 3 years ago. I suppose I always suspected it to be true just never honestly believed it.

Oh ... and you are absolutely right about the Whiskey Rebellion.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Not to interject reality into a good old fashioned "the government is comming for us all!!" Conspiracy, but maybe folks could read the bill?

It plainly says in section 1032:
"The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."


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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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What will it take for you libs to realize that the Obamination has been exactly like every single politician in modern times? Corrupt, evil, and too much compromising!!!! No real change is coming from him sorry! I would respect him if he at least stuck to his principles, showed some backbone, and stood up for what he believed in. We need a strong leader to protect our most fundamental rights, and he isn't it.


Oh and this doesn't mean that the bill will pass, Just Obumer is ok with it, now...

I guess this is more Tea Party brainwashing right? Wait, most Tea Party members do not want this passed lolz. No excuses here.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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Who else thinks we're officially screwed?
I know I do.
Howcwell known is this site?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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funny, i suddenly had a vision of obama wearing a fez, with the biggest scimitar in his hands and behind him looking sheepish and bewildered a very long line of christians a very very long line indeed !



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by akapapasmurf
funny, i suddenly had a vision of obama wearing a fez, with the biggest scimitar in his hands and behind him looking sheepish and bewildered a very long line of christians a very very long line indeed !

Welcome to the united fascistic states.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Well it just passed the house.


US House OKs defense bill with Iran sanctions and new rules for handling terrorism suspects - Reuters
31 minutes ago via breakingnews.com



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Yea I can confirm just got an alert on my phone, breaking news from various sources

It exempts American Citizens....for now.

www.reuters.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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You are looking at the old version of the bill, before Obama asked for that part to be removed.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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From the article you posted:

"Supporters of the legislation noted that Americans are exempted from the bill's requirement for mandatory military custody. "The provisions do not extend any new authorities to detain U.S. citizens," said House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon, a Republican.

But the legislation also authorizes the U.S. military to indefinitely detain terror suspects that are placed in its custody, including Americans. This horrifies civil rights advocates."

Contradictions.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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A good segment.

Not sure how to imbed.
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