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Shocking Anti-Africa rally in Israel

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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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As much as it hurts seeing racism and xenophobia anywhere, in SA we've seen violent outbreaks of "xenophobia" against a flood of immigrants from the north, including Zimbabweans, Nigerians, Congolese and Somalians.

The most violent outbreak of local black racism against black foreigners (or as it's called in politically correct terms: "xenophobia") occurred in 2008, when there was mass looting, foreigners were burnt in the streets and the UN had to build refugee camps for the Somalians (who now number 20 000 in our town alone).

The issue was exacerbated by then President Mbeki's policies of supporting Mugabe, who violently kicked out his productive white farmers, and millions of starving Zimbabwean refugees fled over the virtually opened border. This was clearly Mbeki's attempt to take pressure off Mugabe, and even as the black townships stood in flames, Mbeki denied that his people could be xenophobic, or racist against other Africans (but then he also denied that HIV causes AIDS).

As dreadful as xenophobia may be, what are countries with limited social and natural resources, and already high unemployment supposed to do with exploding populations from mismanaged countries?

Although the violence has been subdued, there are still sporadic outbreaks, and it is far from resolved.
Xenophobic attitudes remain, which blame the foreigners for taking jobs and abusing social services, fueling corruption as well as operating violent crime syndicates and the drug market.

The Somalians at the time only wanted to stop off in SA, and saw their ultimate destination as the USA, New Zealand, Australia and Europe, but it doesn't look like the human flood is always welcome.
Other countries are less liberal, Saudi Arabia unceremoniously dropped Somalian refugees right back into the war-zone they came from.

Here is a CNN report of 2008 when things boiled over in SA (and despite being a mainstream media report, it is not for sensitive viewers). Some of the more recent instances, where Zimbabweans are stoned to death by mobs including school-children, are probably too gruesome to show.



I think the world could have spent more time focusing on Africa and getting rid of its racist and intolerant leaders and dictators, instead of only being obsessed with the Middle East, and this lack of interest is now likely to surface on its doorstep. However, whatever outsiders do will also be a catch 22, since many of these leaders have support from Africanists and other non-Western interests (like China and various fundamentalists).




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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People of any nation (and that includes Israel) have a basic right to control immigration into their country as they wish, and express their disagreement with foreign cultural elements being shoved down their throats. Open borders is a direct threat to a country, and I can imagine that African immigrants are not a very nice bunch of people to immigrate, considering how they cannot even take care of their home countries. I dont support racist policies, but I do support tight immigration control based on cultural and national differences. These people have my support.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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Geez emotional argument much?


I think you are in desperate need of a vocabulary update.


By the way, you are wrong, I believe the protesting people of Israel were heard to say "Sudan for Sudanese". Are you that ignorant that you do not know that Sudan is an Islam state??? (since around 7AD so even you should have caught up by now).


Just because Sudan is an Islamic state does not mean all Sudanese are Muslim, you bigot. Or are you that ignorant that you copy and paste information without properly thinking your reply through?


So, no, I did not turn this into Muslim bashing. The Israelis kindly started that one for me.


No, now you are trying to weasel your way out of your own words. You started it in this topic. You tried to derail the topic.


And I couldn't give a rats if I disgust you. No go away and let the grown ups talk


I don't want to be part of the "grown ups" that you proclaim to be a part of. Grown ups in my book do not discriminate nor do they troll/derail topics nor do they propagate hatred based on petty greed. Stay on topic please. These "protesters" are racists and it is a sad sight to see - a bunch of older people(one would think mature, but no) being bigots with the support of some clown in government. Disturbing...



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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What's so shocking about it? People are fed up with Sudanese immigrants coming here in huge numbers and they have every right to be pissed off about it.

Why won't any of you "bleeding hearts" start a thread about how the Egyptian soldiers shoot these immigrants on sight whenever they reach their boarders?

Ofcourse, only Israel is to blame here. Israel is the only country humane enough not to shoot these people on sight, but when the public is outraged that there is a mass immigration from Sudan - Israel are racist bastards again.
Perhaps you would find it more appropriate if Israeli border police shot these people, just like the Egyptians are doing? Somehow I doubt that.

Well maybe you Europeans love to have your cultures kidnapped by African immigrants that don't hold any regards to the law, or you hidden Muslims are hating just because you have an automatic dislike to anything Israeli.


Also, this is not racism towards black people or Africans. If the immigrants from Sudan were Norwegian or Swedish the result would've been the same. It's a matter of people being sick and tired of dealing with immigrants that escape their own crime infested countries only to act like a criminal in a better country.

But then again.. 50% of this site is dying to see Europe falling into Islam majority, and another 25% will claim it's their natural right.. So I'm pretty much preaching to myself and the sane minority in this site.


Oh hell.. hate on.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Jews are probably the most racist group of people on earth. They view much of the rest of humanity as nothing more than dirty animals rolling around in their own s**t.

goy (goi)
n. pl. goy·im (goim) or goys Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Oh the idiocy.

Originally posted by Atzil321
Jews are probably the most racist group of people on earth. They view much of the rest of humanity as nothing more than dirty animals rolling around in their own s**t.

goy (goi)
n. pl. goy·im (goim) or goys Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.

Check this out.

Muslims are probably the most racist group of people on Earth. They view much of the rest of humanity as nothing more than dirty animals rolling around in their own s**t.

infidel (infidel)
n. pl. in·fi·dels (infidels) Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Muslim.


Spewing baseless crap is so easy.
The infamous tactic of "when I've got nothing else to say it's time to post some stereotypes on Jews".
edit on 15-12-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Well maybe you Europeans love to have your cultures kidnapped by African immigrants that don't hold any regards to the law


Hello 'IsraeliGuy'. So if they were perfectly law abiding citizens you wouldn't have a problem with them coming into Israel? I'm willing to bet there would still be 'Anti-African' rallies like this one.

Talking about 'culture kidnapping', as you put it. Here's a Wikipedia page that might interest you:

Stolen Generations

And here's a little snippet from that page which I find particularly interesting:


The social impacts of forced removal have been measured and found to be quite severe.[45] Although the stated aim of the "resocialisation" programme was to improve the integration of Aboriginal people into modern society, a study conducted in Melbourne and cited in the official report found that there was no tangible improvement in the social position of "removed" Aborigines as compared to "non-removed", particularly in the areas of employment and post-secondary education.[45] Most notably, the study indicated that removed Aboriginal people were actually less likely to have completed a secondary education, three times as likely to have acquired a police record and were twice as likely to use illicit drugs.[45]


There comes a point when you simply have to accept people for what they are. We are certainly all different, and a world full of people that were completely the same would be mind numbingly boring. If you really want to stop Africans from coming to your country then why don't you build a huge wall around the country? lol, good luck with that. Maybe you should try to "resocialize" them and teach them not to commit so much crime? Some more Australian history might give you some ideas:


Some commentators such as Sir Ronald Wilson have alleged that the Stolen Generations was nothing less than a case of attempted genocide, because it was widely believed at the time that the policy would cause Aborigines to die out.[58] In its 12th report to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination the Australian Government denied that this was a breach of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.[59]


A little bit of genocide never hurt anyone did it? Or perhaps you could try "breeding out the colour"? Seems like it might work:


Robert Manne argues that the expressed views of government bureaucrats, such as A.O. Neville, to merge the Aboriginal race into the white population by means of "breeding out the colour", and therefore eventually resulting in the former being "forgotten", bore strong similarities to the views of the Nazis in 1930s Nazi Germany.[60]


Then again, we all know that would be blasphemy, because it would only further corrupt the Jew bloodline.


Israeli Jews are found mostly in Israel and Western world countries, as well as many other countries worldwide, not necessarily only in Jewish communities. Israeli Jews mostly speak Hebrew and most practice Judaism in some form. Israel, the Jewish state, currently has almost half the world's Jews.

Israeli Jews - Wikipedia


Huh what's this? Get back in your box damn it! We don't want over half of your people wondering around in OUR nations damn it! Corrupting our bloodlines and all that stuff... you ought to be ashamed.

Doesn't feel real nice does it?
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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Well who kidnaps who?
There are many cases in Australia where aboriginal people are running from aboriginal law.
If a family member runs (and that law could apply for anything from murder to breaking a taboo), then the law applies to their relatives.
The "law" usually means being speared through the thighs.

What culture with children with white blood would allow this?
Say this is good for your own people.
Don't say everyone should be impressed because it is "tribal".
Don't tell me those children would have been healthier or happier with tribal law.
This is a liberal fantasy.

If you like it, practice it, and send your kids to tribal circumcision schools.
In SA we have several male youngsters dying and going through penile amputations every year because of these pseudo-tribal shams.
I hope the people who do this face justice one day.

However there is a possibility that "tribal law" and "Western law" can reconcile.
Ultimately both punishes communally.
So this was quite refreshing on "Bush Law":




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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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There are many black Jews with a long history in Africa:
en.wikipedia.org...

Do these Jews have as much right to Israel as Jews of European background? I think so. But if they are rejected by Israel how is that anything else other than straght-up racism? It's not "Preserving their own heritage as Jews" if they are rejecting other Jews due to skin color.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by manontrial
Pretty funny how so many people claim that 'racists' are ignorant, uneducated and foolish.

Ever looked at statistics in civilised countries? Is it really the 'racists' fault that they're racist? Or is it that these so called 'racists' can actually see what the truth is?

Then I went off into the wider world as an adult and I SEEN FOR MYSELF the behaviours and attitudes of our black people and formed MY OWN opinions based of THIER behaviours and attitudes.

NOT MY attitude, THEIR attitudes.



I have done volunteer work in Africa, including South Africa, Mozambique, and Morocco. You clearly lack the brain power to understand how culture works, nor are you capable to place yourself in another person's shoes which is necessary to understand anothers attitude, especially if they come from a different background or culture than yourself.

Take your ignorant hate speech out of here, stop spreading your delusions.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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South Africa - The New Apartheid.




posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
South Africa - The New Apartheid.


Not sure what this has to do with the rest of the thread, but interesting share none the less.

I spent a month n half in South Africa this past summer. Definitely still racism, both by blacks towards whites and immigrants(I didn't witness or experience that), and also some old apartheid supporting whites are still racist(I did witness and experience that). Also the government is corrupt as all hell. A lot of progress to be made in SA for sure.
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posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Well, African immigration seems to have a lot to do with it it.
Or not?

And, to truly feel compassionate for people, I suppose .... they might like me too?



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Well I spent most of my in life in SA, and I know what it means.
But I always hope that I may be wrong.
It is almost New Year, and a happy occasion.



edit on 15-12-2011 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
People of any nation (and that includes Israel) have a basic right to control immigration into their country as they wish, and express their disagreement with foreign cultural elements being shoved down their throats. Open borders is a direct threat to a country, and I can imagine that African immigrants are not a very nice bunch of people to immigrate, considering how they cannot even take care of their home countries. I dont support racist policies, but I do support tight immigration control based on cultural and national differences. These people have my support.



Well said. But no doubt the hysterical bigot/ racist fraternity will hunt you down, for such logic must be eliminated!!



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Geez emotional argument much?


I think you are in desperate need of a vocabulary update.


By the way, you are wrong, I believe the protesting people of Israel were heard to say "Sudan for Sudanese". Are you that ignorant that you do not know that Sudan is an Islam state??? (since around 7AD so even you should have caught up by now).


Just because Sudan is an Islamic state does not mean all Sudanese are Muslim, you bigot. Or are you that ignorant that you copy and paste information without properly thinking your reply through?


So, no, I did not turn this into Muslim bashing. The Israelis kindly started that one for me.


No, now you are trying to weasel your way out of your own words. You started it in this topic. You tried to derail the topic.


And I couldn't give a rats if I disgust you. No go away and let the grown ups talk


I don't want to be part of the "grown ups" that you proclaim to be a part of. Grown ups in my book do not discriminate nor do they troll/derail topics nor do they propagate hatred based on petty greed. Stay on topic please. These "protesters" are racists and it is a sad sight to see - a bunch of older people(one would think mature, but no) being bigots with the support of some clown in government. Disturbing...



You still here ???



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
What's so shocking about it? People are fed up with Sudanese immigrants coming here in huge numbers and they have every right to be pissed off about it.

Why won't any of you "bleeding hearts" start a thread about how the Egyptian soldiers shoot these immigrants on sight whenever they reach their boarders?

Ofcourse, only Israel is to blame here. Israel is the only country humane enough not to shoot these people on sight, but when the public is outraged that there is a mass immigration from Sudan - Israel are racist bastards again.
Perhaps you would find it more appropriate if Israeli border police shot these people, just like the Egyptians are doing? Somehow I doubt that.

Well maybe you Europeans love to have your cultures kidnapped by African immigrants that don't hold any regards to the law, or you hidden Muslims are hating just because you have an automatic dislike to anything Israeli.


Also, this is not racism towards black people or Africans. If the immigrants from Sudan were Norwegian or Swedish the result would've been the same. It's a matter of people being sick and tired of dealing with immigrants that escape their own crime infested countries only to act like a criminal in a better country.

But then again.. 50% of this site is dying to see Europe falling into Islam majority, and another 25% will claim it's their natural right.. So I'm pretty much preaching to myself and the sane minority in this site.


Oh hell.. hate on.


Well said. It's really quite pathetic when the only argument that opponents who read your statements will come up with is "you're racist". They are never game to address the issues that we raise such as the failure of immigrants to respect the laws of the land etc. They cowardly hide behind the racist/ bigot line and that's as far as their limited life experience and intelligence takes them.



posted on Dec, 15 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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the late Israeli singer,Ofra Haza , is of Yemeni(Arabic) descent. She is Jewish. I believe the original, ethnic Jews who are indigenous to the Middle East would look like her.




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by coolieno99
the late Israeli singer,Ofra Haza , is of Yemeni(Arabic) descent. She is Jewish. I believe the original, ethnic Jews who are indigenous to the Middle East would look like her.



Bingo !

Bell ringer !

Wake up call ringing !

Bass drum banging !

Long trumpets with flags hanging !

There's no substitute for originality.

Class never goes out of style !



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Well said. It's really quite pathetic when the only argument that opponents who read your statements will come up with is "you're racist". They are never game to address the issues that we raise such as the failure of immigrants to respect the laws of the land etc. They cowardly hide behind the racist/ bigot line and that's as far as their limited life experience and intelligence takes them.


I am really glad that the mentality that is displayed in the above post is going the way of the dinosaur. It is nothing short of shortsightedness. Talk about "limited life experience"...to paint all refugees as criminals, to not make a distinction between the type of immigrants and then have the gall to spout "respect the laws of the land" - forgetting that the parts of the world that are not staying in a 16th century mentality, discrimination is AGAINST the law and you are considered the coward for spouting this online - talk about "intelligence".

You know what they teach intelligent people? That those who are summing up something(like you did with the "respect the laws of the land ETC.) and use "etc" instead of an actual example, simply CANNOT come up with more examples and their examples before the "etc" are usually void of any real substance.



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