Anarchy Would Be Good

Originally posted by Rezwar
reply to post by theovermensch

 

Ahh zietgiest right? lol I knew there was something familiar about what you were talking about. You are promoting a NWO agenda plain and simple. Depopulation, slaves, basically hell on earth for anyone not at the top. No thanks.

If I were the NWO I would kill all you cowards off as well. Im sure you sicken them.

Originally posted by Rezwar
reply to post by theovermensch

 

I would also like to address your answer "we would fix them." With what? Robot production relies on the old system you wish to replace. How do you organize yourselves to accomplish these task without rules? How do you train people to repair your fantasy solve all the problems robot? Rules have their place. You give the average person too much credit as far as their capacity for evil is concerned. You haven't addressed that question I put to you. You basically skipped over it lol You focus on these robots who have yet to be made. Like I said I can do this all day. Your argument is full of holes.

There are alot of threads on here on self sufficient farms. Cheap energy. You are kidding yourself so keep your lols to yourself. To me you sound like a stupid coward but Im keeping that to myself. Dont patronize me jerk.

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I cant be bothered holding your hand but did you read the essay I put up a link to?

That should get you started lol (vomit)

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About dolly the sheep research how long that poor animal survived. Clones are not stable. Start making copies of copies and your problems are just beginning. Not to mention what happens when we start tampering with DNA. We still do not understand the consequences. They call all DNA they cannot explain away as junk DNA. Problem is that same "junk" DNA accounts for the vast majority of the information located in our genetic code. So bring on more of your half thought out silly answers, I enjoy them greatly lol

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So you're telling me farms would somehow give you the raw materials to make robots? LOLZ wow I suppose the easter bunny would deliver the computer chips and santa would bring some elves to work in your magical workshop of robot wonders ha ha ha

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You still didn't address how these mom and pop gardens would supply the current population? So keep dodging the questions buddy lol it's very entertaining. I see you started with the attacks already am I angering you in some way?

reply to post by Rezwar

Text lol it's very entertaining.

If thats what gets you off then you really are pathetic hey?

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Text am I angering you in some way?

Yes you are. You are being rude for no reason.

# have you read abou the luddites genius ?

I would guess no. You wont even bother to read that great essay. Anyway,Im no luddite. I dont want "mom and pop farms" Do you want to learn? Or be rude?


Edit--removed psychological analysis You read it.

reply to post by Rezwar

Text Like I said I can do this all day. Your argument is full of holes.

Where did you run away to then Rezwar? All day? Bring it you rude ignorant jerk.

Text buddy lol

Im not your buddy pal. And I asked you not to be rude. What is your problem? I nailed it didnt I?

Originally posted by Rezwar
reply to post by Rezwar

 

About dolly the sheep research how long that poor animal survived. Clones are not stable. Start making copies of copies and your problems are just beginning. Not to mention what happens when we start tampering with DNA. We still do not understand the consequences. They call all DNA they cannot explain away as junk DNA. Problem is that same "junk" DNA accounts for the vast majority of the information located in our genetic code. So bring on more of your half thought out silly answers, I enjoy them greatly lol

That all sounds like something a moron would say. Are you a fan of Mary Shellys Frankenstien? What are the clones going to do when we tamper? Are you worried anout ethics? Is the dna going to explode? If they could clone a sheep ten years ago and grow an ear on the back of a rat they can do alot more right now. Have you looked at how far regenerative medicine has come genius? It is going to be a billion dollar industry soon. The operative word there being 'industry'. See its not to help people it is for profit. Everything is. That is the problem. See how they were splicing the animal dna recently? Do you really think the research they do into dna is public? You think because you read about junk dna you are up to date with the latest advancments? If you dont think they can grow clones now you are a moron. These are goals that we could set if we removed consumerism. We could set goals for things that would enrich all of our lives that would be global public works. Not crap for profit. As if we couldnt make clones if that was our goal.

But your questions seem to be based on communism. You can still have an 'economy' without consumerism. Anarchy has different forms. I think the best ideas are libertarian socialist.

Why you have so much trouble with the crazy notion of us meeting our needs as being impossible is because you are greedy gluttonous and wasteful.The whole western world is. People dont need a new car every year. People dont need a new phone every 6 months. We can make things that last and stop buying in to the stupidness. Compare what the average person in the west has to a peasant in China. Its crazy. We already produce enough to go around now. Since you read about the luddites(sure you didnt,you are just here to annoy me) you know that I am for technology. I am not a machine breaker. Technology is our slave. With a simpler world that had more empathy than envy we could come together.

Capitalism equals everyone fighting for themselves.

Socialism is everyone fighting with each other.

And since you like capitalism so much,hows that working out for you genius? It has run its course hasnt it?

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Hey I was just thinking about you because I am a pretty nice guy and I was wondering why you would be rude to me for no reason. Its not just you,it seems like the sole reason that most people are here.

So Im thinking you are probably a pretty nice guy and you didnt mean any harm its just that you are a 'star hunter'. I have noticed alot of the hyenas and parrots that hang out here enjoy it when people bully and belittle others. You are just pandering to these people is what I am thinking. You sound like a pussy so I am guessing you are not exactly a stand up guy. You wouldnt bully and belittle people in real life. And its probably a good release for you from the frustrations to take it out on others anonymously online. I think I get it.

And since I keep coming back at you you just keep uping the ante. You dont really want to try to make me feel bad. You are not really a bad person. I think I understand.

If it makes you feel any better I forgive you for being rude to me.

I wish you the best with your fear and envy. Embrace your inner ubermensch hey.

# and is "star hunter" an overmenschism? If so I should patent it. Thats a pretty cool derogatory term

# Flash,I guess all that applies to you too.And any other rude jerks,think its only you two left.

But by all means keep it coming. You may be here to vent frustrations and validate your intelligence but I on the other hand am not. One reason I like the site is I am kinda like that guy in the seinfield episode that wears the pink shirt so that jerks say something smart to him.That way he has a reason to beat them up.

I am on a crusade against jerks amongst other things (:
So you know,if its fun for you its fun for me. Im sure you wont lose an eye.

Well, since you brought it up
I haven't been overly rude to you as a person. Frankly, I don't know you from Adam.
I have trashed and laughed at the idea you present..if all you are is a single idea, then sure..I trashed and laughed at you..but typically people are more complex than a single idea.

The idea is stupid, but you know what, you seem to be a thinking chap anyhow..granted, you are stuck in the tormented mind of youth without wisdom as happens, but I think we all were there at some point in our lives..if not, then you haven't really banged against the walls of your perception.

Anyhow, if you actually stop being offended and actually read what is written, you will find I am not overly rude to you..bit suggestive about your fixation on your sexual prowess and lately your erm..penis envy I suppose (frankly, if someone has a large or small johnson, it is irrelevant to if his ideas are good or bad..not sure why you base someones concepts on the size of their boy)

I encourage you to express your thoughts though...it is the first step towards knowledge...the second step however is more important..that is listening/comprehending what the counter is.

You came on ATS, I assume, to learn, grow, perhaps teach if there is something to teach...so, are you fulfilling that? Is your current stance one of education and enlightenment, or is it simply demanding your "awesomeness" is king and any different info to any thought you have is inferior?

that thinking is common..and deserving of a debate slap.

Anyhow, this thread is played out. Always fun to get into some verbal banter so long as it doesn't go down the path of trash tossing..and I feel thats pretty much where its heading..so will let you get on with it,

Originally posted by Rezwar
reply to post by Rezwar

 

About dolly the sheep research how long that poor animal survived. Clones are not stable.

Your talking first gen. Any first gen tech is going to be buggy, be it computers, or cloning. Since the Dolly experiment, many many animals have been cloned and the process cleaned up

Ultimately, there is no difference. -some- cloning experiments had shown shortened telomeres, some normal..basically it was random and dolly was not the norm.

Here is a quick snip about this myth (born from a star trek episode about the "dangers" of cloning that somehow trumps reality

Myth: When clones are born, they’re the same age as their donors, and don’t live long.
Clones are born the same way as other newborn animals: as babies. No one really knows what causes aging in mammals, but most scientists think it has to do with a part of the chromosome called a telomere that functions as a kind of clock in the cell. Telomeres tend to be long at birth, and shorten as the animal ages.

A study on Dolly (the famous sheep clone) showed that her telomeres were the shorter length of her (older) donor, even though Dolly was much younger. Studies of other clones have shown that telomeres in clones are shorter in some tissues in the body, and are age-appropriate in other tissues. Still other studies of clones show that telomeres are age-appropriate in all of the tissues. Despite the length of telomeres reported in different studies, most clones appear to be aging normally. In fact, the first cattle clones ever produced are alive, healthy, and are 10 years old as of January 2008.

Source

Just felt the need to toss the nerd glasses on about this. Cloning is perfectly fine tech to develop and use in all processes of our life..be it through enhanced animal breeding, or frankly growing new organs for us...myths are currently rampaging about it and becoming a weapon for politics to stagnate the scientific process in the west.

Watch less sci-fi and read more about the actual field is key.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Text Anyhow, if you actually stop being offended and actually read what is written, you will find I am not overly rude to you..bit suggestive about your fixation on your sexual prowess and lately your erm..penis envy I suppose (frankly, if someone has a large or small johnson, it is irrelevant to if his ideas are good or bad..not sure why you base someones concepts on the size of their boy)

I think the more you read about Adler the more it seems he has a small penis. All his bs can be traced back to that. I dont think it was because he was a sick child.

And Im am saying a small penis explains to me why someone would get on here and be rude to me straight off the bat. Im not linking it to the worth of their ideas.

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reply to post by SaturnFX

Text You came on ATS, I assume, to learn, grow, perhaps teach if there is something to teach...so, are you fulfilling that? Is your current stance one of education and enlightenment, or is it simply demanding your "awesomeness" is king and any different info to any thought you have is inferior?

You are right. I am here to hear other ideas and to give me a compass. I am pretty defensive when someone is rude or patronizing. But I am open to and welcome different opinions.

I am happy to agree to disagree with people and I have an open mind. I dont see myself as superior to anyone. Everyone has worth.

I guess I just have trouble with rudeness. I will admit I can get a bit too pissed off. Im a bit on the passive aggressive side.

People love to be lead.
Anarchy in time, always evolve into hierarchical system of power, like nowadays.
So no it wouldn't be good.

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You better be careful what you wish for. Movies tend to make things look much cleaner than what they are. Those who wish for these realities such as these are often the victims of their chosen creation.

reply to post by theovermensch


Unlike you I have a life that requires me to be away from a computer from time to time. The main flaw of your idea is in order to make your anarchy work you need rules. I have cleverly led you into explaining the rules you would need to make your anarchy work. You still dodged many of the questions I put to you and answered the few you could explain away, unsatisfactorily I might add. That was what I expected. If you're looking for a jerk take a long look in mirror pal. Review your posts and others in the beginning. It's pretty clear who the jerk is. You attack any who have a differing opinion on the matter like a child. You are precisely the reason an Anarchy would never work. There too many like you. Over opinionated people who force their beliefs onto others.

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The only people I have attacked have been rude to me.

That is what I mean by jerk.

If you think Im a jerk for being rude back to them you are entitled to your opinion.

If you really have read my posts you will see Im not rude to people that disagree with me only those who are ryde to me.

You are still being rude. Could you stop? Does it really make you feel big to belittle people? Is that why you are here? Why do you need to be so rude? What are you compensating for? Small penis?

Sad that people have been effectively programmed to have such knee jerk reactions to anarchy without giving it much conscious thought..

One of the very first replies here, many stars, says that anarchy would result in no medicine, medical care,etc...WRONG!!

Anarchy as far as I know it means no state. Last time I checked a congressman wasn't my doctor...Obama doesn't say open up and say aaaah. Cmon people you got to think a just a little deeper here.

Don't get me wrong, if we were to flip a switch that automatically could make the state disappear then there would of course be disruptions of certain services that are now controlled by government but that is superfluous because there is no magic switch. If anarchy is to be had there would, I'd expect, be some sort of gradual transition so as not to leave people in the cold.

Just because the state would disappear does NOT mean that doctors will do the same. I don't understand why someone would assume so. The same goes for roads and other services "provided" by the state. Roads, defense, education/teachers, etc. do not need the state in order to exist.

Without the state, people who are passionate about curing and helping the sick will still be able to become doctors...Why shouldn't they? Also, there will most be much less red tape preventing them.

Same goes for teachers, electricians, the list goes on.

I get frustrated to see that people have been so successfully conditioned by TPTB to believe that the civilized world would come to a screeching halt without the almighty state. We are duped and fooled by their suits, ivory towers, smug and condescending attitudes (Obama).
Again, a proper transition needs to be had because the state is sooo entrenched in our lives as it is...SS, medicare, medicaid, gov. backed student loans, etc...BUT!!! This does NOT change the immoral nature of the state...(See my thread about this for more detail about the immoral premise of the state)

It's time for the world to snap out of our proverbial Stockholm's syndrome towards the state. THE STATE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU!! The state actually isn't even real, it's an idea. But you can be sure that our representatives do not care about us AT ALL! Ask them to accept term limits, no back room deals, no pork, cut in pay, ....Hell, ask the millionare congressman to just represent us out of the goodness of their hearts for free since they have plenty of dough and see how far that gets you.

I think that we are at a very important fork in the road historically. Either we break the chains of the state that keep us in submission as tax slaves and start on the road to our true potential....OR ...George Orwell's 1984 is going to become more and more of a mirror of the world around us....a warning that was not heeded because the populace was too busy being distracted by porn, iphones, ego games, sports, bickering about the details of the state thus missing the forest for the trees, money games, etc....It's time to wake up.