Punk's not dead, it's just gone to moral rehab

i could see if they where rockin out to the bieber boy how someone might need"morally rehabilitating"

that being said i leave you with two tunes from one of the all time greats.
first the lyrics to " hey hey my my " seeing how this is the story of johnny rotten. i would have posted a vid but couldn't find any thing other than live versions. don't get me wrong, going to a show is great, but listening to live version just isn't the same. most suck.

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.
Out of the blue and into the black
You pay for this, but they give you that
And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black.
The king is gone but he's not forgotten
Is this the story of johnny rotten?
It's better to burn out 'cause rust never sleeps
The king is gone but he's not forgotten.
Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture Than meets the eye.

reply to post by Pixiefyre


Saw Reznor in his early years at a place called the Phantasy near Cleveland. That was a long time ago and before he started NIN. At the time he was living and working in Cleveland at a local recording company in the Days of Pere Ubu. Sorry, but you gave me one hell of a flashback.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Wow thanks for the remembrance on Hey Hey My My! I haven['t thought of that song in ages , It was the first song I learned to play on the guitar!

Recently saw these guy's live yet again....only this time it was in my hometown....Charlie Harper is a true legend.

I was also in the crowd two years ago when this was recorded.



They were supported by my mates;



Glory Days!

Sub-cultures have always been a part of British society.
Why they seem to have died out is a bit of a mystery.
Seems like all there is now are Chavs and US style gangs.

Punk challenged every single aspect of society.
The rave and Madchester scenes threatened to but TPTB quickly leapt on them, made it almost impossible to meet and immediately commercialised the whole scene.

I could go on for ages about Sub-cultures but I really don't want to bore anyone or derail the thread.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie
i know wot song and version your talking about got it on my comp its awesome never thought id get anyone replying to this thread lol

reply to post by Freeborn

www.youtube.com... another epic tune wish i could find some blogs or something on this story from punk over there let them know they aint alone!! haha we salute u mad punk (exploited/deleted) !!!!

reply to post by MrBlueSky


It's just a weird scenario.

Despite 90% of Indonesia being Muslim Aceh is the only region where Sharia is practiced.
Sharia was implemented when the Aceh was granted a certain amount of autonomy.
People from Aceh are considered slighly more religious than people from other regions within Indonesia.
However, there is also a relatively vibrant underground Punk scene in the region.

A spokesman for the police responsible for the round up admitted that the Punks had committed no crime but

They will undergo a re-education so their morals will match those of other Acehnese people,

and

They are Aceh's own children - we are doing this for their own good. Their future could be at risk. We are re-educating them so they don't shame their parents

The Punks came from all over Indonesia including Bali and Jakarta.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I chuckled at the punk who expressed concern about his detention as he had just started work in a bank!

Typical of the many plastic and weekend punks who helped dilute and ruin everything that Punk ever stood for.

One last tuneful little ditty.

reply to post by jibeho


Awwwww....that was good stuff! Thanks, now I have my musical inspiration for the day! When all my friends were listening to the chronic in high school I was going to the club and showing up to school in bruises telling my friends what a awesome time I had at the club and they were just like "you crazy girl" but they never stopped being cool with me either.

I do not think punk will ever really die, a small slice of each generation always discovers it and renews it.
It will never be mainstream and it never should, it would lose its spirit. That almost happened in the late 90s when blink and green day attained success and you heard all the old Skool guys wailing like dying animals....but In the end it renews itself because it speaks to all those wild, rebellious kids who are yearning to break free and do not care about mainstream culture...

For me, going to shows was the only time I felt truly free, I could do what I wanted, how I wanted and no one cared or judged me, because they were doing their own thing..it was liberating, and that experience will always resonate I think whether in 1979, 09, whether in Germany, Brazil or Japan...it encompasses a fundamental human experience.

I will say this, the last wave of aggressive music, that came out in the early to mid 2000s produced some good stuff as well. I saw kids going insane at shows, to the point I was a bit nervous, but overall the spirit was still there. I rarely saw fights break out at these shows, but lots of busted lips and bloody noses. Some people stopped getting in the pits because of it, which was a shame but I think nowadays if you go into a crowd of young pissed off kids trying to vent and let lose their feelings in a aggressive way, then be prepared for a few wounds.....these kids are twice as ticked off as I ever was, and maybe they have a reason to be? I dunno...I am just happy they still have an outlet, and punk/hardcore/metal core whatever sub genres you choose will be the medium that people express themselves through.

Now that I am the one with a teenager in my house, I encourage her to go to shows, she just looks at me and sighs and says"but mom, I am not into all that....I want Taylor swift tickets" and I am relieved and disappointed all at once!

reply to post by Freeborn


hahaha plastic punk worried bout his job in the bank epic!!!!!!!

reply to post by Mijamija

haha ive not got kids yet its like im a teen again but in the adult sense ... too young to have kids too old to hang wit teens lol if u know hwere im comming from ! this is my last post before i go down to a mates and record! hes more into the indy/blues scene but see tonight ... see cos i actually got all these replies and feedback im gonna record some punk for the hell of it haha watch this space! may the rock gods help the neighbours not to phone the police!!

Punk rock spirit never dies, it adapts to the different generations. And if you cant find any new good punk bands, you ain't looking hard enough:

reply to post by Mijamija


In my foggy memory, no one ever got hurt to bad during the shows just bruises and an occasional split lip from a high elbow. The whole floor was a giant pit with a couple of circles forming here and there. If you went down someone picked you back up and steadied you on your feet. I don't see that type of mutual respect these days. Its just blood thirsty. Or I'm just getting old

I have great memories of my glory years and still remember some key shows. Cleveland was a great town for Punk back in those years and attracted some great bands. I saw Husker Du in 85' and saw The Ramones at the Draft House in Kent Ohio in 1988. I'll never forget that show in a small college bar. Good Times!!

Heeere's Johnny!


This was a high tech flyer from 1985

reply to post by jibeho


Husker du was one of those fundamental bands that I would have love to see but never got the chance to! I missed out on a lot of the American bands because I was in Germany and did not have a lot of access to go to the venues where bands like that played, but I bet it was amazing for you!

The op was saying how the govt was trying to crack down on these kids to kinda rehabilitate them....as if there was something wrong with them! That is just crazy from my perspective....different culture, different society. I am just happy I grew up in an atmosphere were being into punk was not well understood, but not demonized either. My parents did not get " all the anger" about it, but they being the product of the 60's era, did not try to come down on me too hard either. They knew it was more about me expressing myself and and they had the good sense to let me go through my "angry phase"

These kids are being repressed and from my experience the more you are repressed the more you get angry.....punk is very liberating and maybe that is what the govt really fears? God forbid the youth step out of line and question the status quo.....it is the same old song and dance, but I feel for anyone who is told what music they can or can not listen to.....music has got me through some dark times, what do these kids have if they are not even allowed to enjoy that sliver of joy?

The angry kids in the 60's went on to shape the culture we have today, for better or worse, and gen X is already getting its foot in the door. The milinials will be next, and I hope they do not lose sight of that anger, but instead use that anger to do something productive, something that will benefit society, it is okay to burn down the building as long as you rebuild a better one. Like back in the day, someone once said " anger is a gift"

I hope these kids learn from this "rehabilitation" and maybe when they get into positions of power they will not repeat the mistakes of their elders.

reply to post by MrBlueSky


I do know what you mean! My husband had a band a few years back and played shows where the kids at the shows were teens early 20's mostly, and lucky for him, no one realized he was in his 30's...the fact that he put on a killer performance helped and so when people did find out how old he was, they were a bit confused but overall did not seem too hung up on his age. Mostly they thought it was good that he still enjoyed music so much. I however had a hard time dealing with some of the more snot nosed young ones, but then I remembered what it was like to be that age and I just kept quite.....everyone has to swallow that spoonful of humility eventually!

Good luck with your recording btw, and if the police are called I hope they are understanding! Maybe they will be music lovers too??!! Music is like water for me and my husband, we can't live without it, and I think once a music lover always a music lover, age should never hold you back from enjoying it, although, when I was pregnant, you would not catch me in a pit! Some things are kinda common sense. The kids I see now at shows are a lot more vicious, but once they are out of the pit, they are some of the sweetest people ever...at least that has been my experience.

In car rides, the kids are my captives, I tell them they need to get educated in music, so they are not allowed to listen to their ipods, I force feed my kids punk, 80's new wave, old goth stuff, madchester, shoegaze, 80s and 90s alternative, old Skool jungle and techno, tupac, NWA and public enemy....my husband subjects them to biohazard, anthrax, slayer and Sick of it all, the misfits, we preach bad religion, ministry, NIN and minor threat......and our kids put up with it for awhile and then they say, " can we listen to the zac brown band now?" And I know my time is up and on goes zac brown.... I tell my husband as we drive "how is this even possible, right?" and he will shake his head And we laugh because they are being rebellious....in their own way. I have actually learned to embrace country because of them, and I would have never thought that was possible 20 years ago.

reply to post by MrBlueSky


RISE ABOVE!

RISE ABOVE is right, also question authority forgive stupidity and give the ignorant occasional attitude adjustments (with your sharp tongue and tight wit - think Rollins in his spoken word work etc) recently found a collection of MAXIMUM ROCK AND ROLL with Jello Biafra and friends that I used to listen to on college radio and rebroadcast on lowpower pirate sideband back in the day ... punk isn't dead .. until we're all cold and buried!

Sid, Kurt, Stiv Bators, Joey Ramone,Joe Strummer, and the countless other antiheroes may have left the 'scene' but what they left behind has exploded into a myriad of counterculture genres that changed the world!

As for moral rehab .. we're just getting older mate .the illegal clubs and squats are just more underground and diversified but wtf cares its alive in me and i survived rehab(s) so boot to the head for this post....I once read that in the Sex Pistol's early (EARLY - 100 Club days) gigs that almost everyone in the audience either had formed or ended up forming a band. You cant knock that kind of impact .. The Buzzcocks, The Damned, Subway Sect, Slits, Billy Idol etc ..

Today you can find much worse 'moral' content in rap/gangsta rap and derivatives than most punk content - at least for the most part the youth were rebelling and acting out against injustice and poverty / unemployment issues not just drugs and ho's lord knows theres plenty to gripe and protest about today.. but i fear a rant coming on so ill bow out for now. :p

reply to post by jibeho


On the morality point here ... I saw Reznor at RPM (right to party movement) a dance club on the
lakeshore in Toronto and got back stage awesome show have some stories about that night but my
point was this the pretty hate machine and downward spiral albums bot masterpieces imho and
inspired by the break up with his gf ..how he and Marylin Manson and (Spooky Kids) managed to
get together and break a shipload of moral boundaries on and off stage was amazing. Downward
spiral taken to an extreme.

Now I understand a lot of it is showmanship but this isnt Alice Cooper or Ozzy biting a bats head off
its urinating and felatio performed on stage and etc with massive drug and other mind altering crap
going on not to mention the not so contrived use/abuse of satanic imagery used by Manson ... the
worst things "Punk" as I think we relate to it ever did was wearing nazi regalia and anti establishment
sentiment with some public drunkenness.

Keith Moon wore full nazi outfit for shock value and was misunderstood then and this iwas The Who ffs. or was ot tje Stones

anyway EoF

cant belive this man. if they olny saw thwe punk shows i have been too hahahahaaha. i hope those kids grow stronger from the #ed up # they have to go though. puts things in prospective really when it comes down to it.

Had to add this just for youse guys enjoyment - this emoticon (((d[*_*]b))) means listen to loud with headphones...