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Originally posted by spacekc929
Class warfare? You've gotta be kidding me. The only ones with casualties are the poor. More like class genocide if you ask me. You can keep on harping about "redistribution of wealth" but if I were you I'd take a critical look at whose wealth is actually being redistributed and into what hands, and you would see that the rich are the ones making the bank right now while we all suffer...
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by spacekc929
Actually it's the democrats that are going to punish the middle class.
Right now, the bill has passed the House and is to the Senate. The current bill wants to cut government spending to pay for the continued tax cuts.
If the Senate doesn't vote for it, then they will, in effect, cause the taxes to increase. And the democrats don't want to cut spending to pay for it.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by narwahl
reply to post by beezzer
But you don't have to pay for tax cuts! They pay for themselves by spurring economic growth!
Ideally, they do. But in this economic atmosphere?
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Not all Republicans are against the pay roll tax cuts.
Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by Algernonsmouse
Republicans aren't trying to raise your payroll taxes. They're opposed to the Democrats' proposed offset of raising taxes on higher income earners. Its a standard Democrat political maneuver. They take a popular piece of legislation and tack on something extra that they know the GOP will be forced to reject, and then claim the GOP opposes the original piece of legislation as well.
Meanwhile, the GOP just passed their own bill through the House that would maintain the current payroll tax cuts. Of course, they've also taken a page from the Dems playbook and loaded it with measures that they can't support, either.
At the end of the day, the important thing is that both parties want to retain the payroll tax cut. They *will* reach a deal...but not before each side plays their fair share of political games with it. Don''t fall for it.
Originally posted by narwahl
Of course firing government employes to pay for it seems redundant to me.
A lot of people will quit their jobs anyway, facing this suddenly increased tax burden, right?
Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
It seems clear to me that they fight for tax cuts for only the rich and want the rest of us to pay more of our income in taxes. I cannot see any other way to read this.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by narwahl
Of course firing government employes to pay for it seems redundant to me.
A lot of people will quit their jobs anyway, facing this suddenly increased tax burden, right?
So this thread stopped being about blaming republicans and instead now turns to the value of tax cuts?
I guess tax cuts are valuable when you can use it to blame another party.
But when the democrats are responsible for raising taxes, then it becomes a good thing?
This thread reeks of hypocracy.
Originally posted by jjkenobi
The ignorance in these threads never fails to astound me. Yes, the tax cuts only lower taxes for people who are making money and paying taxes. There is no such thing as a tax cut for the bottom 50%. The bottom 50% account for 3% of all income tax. Any tax cut is automatically pretty much only going to apply to the top 50%. People like me, the "Middle Class". I'm one of the millions of Americans paying federal taxes to pay for government salaries, federal programs, and entitlements. So when federal taxes go up, which they are scheduled to do Jan 1st, it means I will have to redo the budget for my family of 4 and something will have to be cut.
I don't want anyone's taxes to go up, be it the top 50% or the top 1%. The govt is so corrupt and wasteful why give them more???
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Indigo5
Harry Reid is the leader of the senate.
It has a majority of democrats.
I haven't seen this much contortion since the last Jackie Chan flick!
Originally posted by spinalremain
Class warfare
Thats so great. When all else fails, whip out the "go to term"
I could have sworn I read the other day someone saying to the effect of "I wish I could defend Supply Side economics, but I can't"
This thread need not even exist. The situation clearly speaks for itself. Selfish selfish selfish. Only the wealthy are worthy of their income.
And they're the one's crying class warfare? I just threw up all over myself. Is that keyboard warfare? What's with the GOP declaring war on everything anyway? Wars on xmas that dont exist. Wars on emotions like terror that dont really exist, and wars on classes that don't exist????
Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by beezzer
just what is "successful" in your opinion???
Originally posted by proximo
Arguing about this piddly little payroll tax is beyond meaningless if you understand how dire our economic situation is. It really is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic as it goes down.
Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Indigo5
Harry Reid is the leader of the senate.
It has a majority of democrats.
I haven't seen this much contortion since the last Jackie Chan flick!
Harry Reid is the GOP leader as stated.
It has the vulnerability of being blocked by the minority party at every turn.
I have yet to see you acknowledge the insane amount of filibuster since Obama took office.
I have not seen this much blind allegiance since the last time I read a post from your or Thirdeyeofhorus.
I can do that too and better.