InternetRising - the internet and global consciousness, page 1

I found this documentary film via the anoncentral.tumblr website. It is called Internet Rising (#internetrising), and it details the relationships between the internet and the growing global consciousness as a result of the internet. It is moving and thought-provoking and I just had to share it! I want as many people to see this as possible.

In the sense this film talks about, ATS is a part of the worldwideBRAIN.. as insignificant as we think our impact may be. ATS connects like-minded people around the world, allowing us to bounce ideas off eachother and slowly work our way into a well-defined well-thought-out consistent view of things. ATS has woken me up to just about everything & I will be eternally grateful for it, I'm sure others feel the same. (:

Spread this like the plague.

reply to post by nihonjindesu08

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Dear nihonjindesu08,

Thank you for posting the video. I will disagree with it's statement that "everything is information", it is not. For information to exist, there must be a receiver. The Chinese say "the world in a grain of salt". Nothing has meaning if there is nobody to create the meaning, rocks do not have meaning in the absence of beings who can find meaning in them. How can everything be information if there is nobody to understand it, information cannot exist as a concept if there is no being that can conceive of it as information? Peace.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by nihonjindesu08

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Dear nihonjindesu08,

Thank you for posting the video. I will disagree with it's statement that "everything is information", it is not. For information to exist, there must be a receiver. The Chinese say "the world in a grain of salt". Nothing has meaning if there is nobody to create the meaning, rocks do not have meaning in the absence of beings who can find meaning in them. How can everything be information if there is nobody to understand it, information cannot exist as a concept if there is no being that can conceive of it as information? Peace.

Can the Universe not conceive information?

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If nothing is around to see the sun, it still emits light. The absence of perception does not dismiss the information. Everything IS information. Existence is nothing more than what we call nature (natural) and what more is nature than science in motion? ( or information in motion ) We could sit here and argue semantics about is being is in the absence of everything, but there would be no one around who gave a flying F about the semantics and no one to view our conversation and therefore in your opinion no information at all so whats the point

reply to post by AQuestion

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I'm not positive that there has to be a receiver for information to exist, you might be right, I honestly am not sure. Is that the whole reality-collapsing, thing? Until someone looks at an electron for example, you can't find out where it is?

Not sure if it's related, sorry if I'm incorrect. (:

reply to post by AQuestion

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Thank you for posting the video. I will disagree with it's statement that "everything is information", it is not. For information to exist, there must be a receiver.

I would argue that shorty after the Big Bang information existed while no receivers existed (but were possibly implied to exist in the future). The information eventually arranged itself into receivers (who are then able to experience information subjectively).

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The Universe cannot conceive except that people are part of the universe and conceive, we have no evidence that hydrogen or rocks can think.

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Dear welcometoreality,

If nothing is around to see the sun, it still emits light. The absence of perception does not dismiss the information. Everything IS information.

You are confusing two different issues. The sun emits light, to even understand that requires a receiver. We create meaning, it does not exist on its own. War is not peace and words have meaning. All things may have properties; but, it is only used in terms of "information" if there is a receiver. We should not promote ignorance, we should promote a better understanding of the words and concepts that we use. Peace.

Originally posted by nihonjindesu08
reply to post by AQuestion

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I'm not positive that there has to be a receiver for information to exist, you might be right, I honestly am not sure. Is that the whole reality-collapsing, thing? Until someone looks at an electron for example, you can't find out where it is?

Not sure if it's related, sorry if I'm incorrect. (:

Dear nihonjindesu08,

A better way to put it on my end is that thoughts exist in animals. Symbolic thought exists in humans. Symbolic thought is when a sentient being categorizes how it views the world and that occurs when a sentient being sees meaning or has a greater understanding of things. Information is a concept and that requires a self aware being and consciousness. The idea of all things being information is a relatively new idea and it just isn't true philosophically. It was a scientists way of understanding that everything had meaning. The Chinese had a saying that one could find the world in a grain of sand, we can find understanding and meaning in anything.

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Dear DrinkYourDrug,

I would argue that shorty after the Big Bang information existed while no receivers existed (but were possibly implied to exist in the future). The information eventually arranged itself into receivers (who are then able to experience information subjectively).

Objects existed; but, they in and of themselves have no "meaning" and therefore convey no "information". Information means something is defined using symbols, symbols do not exist without sentience. To call everything information is wrong both linguistically and philosophically. We destroy our ability to understand things when we destroy our language. If people said that we can find information in every object then we might be closer to the mark; but, in and of itself everything is not information. Peace.

Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by nihonjindesu08
reply to post by AQuestion

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I'm not positive that there has to be a receiver for information to exist, you might be right, I honestly am not sure. Is that the whole reality-collapsing, thing? Until someone looks at an electron for example, you can't find out where it is?

Not sure if it's related, sorry if I'm incorrect. (:

Dear nihonjindesu08,

A better way to put it on my end is that thoughts exist in animals. Symbolic thought exists in humans. Symbolic thought is when a sentient being categorizes how it views the world and that occurs when a sentient being sees meaning or has a greater understanding of things. Information is a concept and that requires a self aware being and consciousness. The idea of all things being information is a relatively new idea and it just isn't true philosophically. It was a scientists way of understanding that everything had meaning. The Chinese had a saying that one could find the world in a grain of sand, we can find understanding and meaning in anything.

I understand what you are saying, information is a concept. Makes sense, thanks. (:

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AQuestion,

I believe you are confusing two different issues, Human interpretation of information, and information itself. I agree that for the most part we do create meaning through words, concept, and text. BUT meaning also comes from actions, and not all actions are human actions. The building blocks of existence ( atoms, gravity, energy, ect...) are always acting and reacting with eachother, always creating information. It is not something like music, which is a purely psychological construct of sound ( or even sound itself, which is a purely psychological construct of vibrations in the air), information is not a purely psychological construct. It is given meaning through its own actions, not from the perception of a receiver.

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