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Why I Don't Believe There Will Ever Be A Disclosure, Nor An Alien Invasion

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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First of all, this is a thread for people who believe that the UFO phenomena and whoever is behind it, be it aliens from other planets, another parallel civilization, or simply an unidentified race of beings, is a reality. If you are a "non-believer" this discussion won't be relevant to you, so don't waste your time. I'm interested in opinions and ideas from people who have a genuine interest in this topic.

I'm reading a lot of threads lately about an imminent disclosure, like it will happen any day now. Almost everyone seems to be sure that it MUST happen. Then there are the speculation threads about a possible invasion, how and when it will happen, if they will be benevolent toward us, if they are angels and demons lol, and so on.
When I first started to get interested about UFOs, many many years ago, I used to stare at the sky and ask myself "why they don't reveal themselves to us?". But over the time, while I kept absorbing the information, and tried to make sense of it, my point of view changed, and today I find myself asking a completely different question.

WHY WOULD THEY?

Let me explain.

From what we know so far, they've been with us for a very long time, tens of thousands of years. And I don't talk only about various artifacts and constructions that we came to believe to be of an "alien" origin. I'm also talking about religions, legends, folklore, ancient texts; they all revolve around those so called "gods". In all the cultures and civilizations around the globe. They were always present, in one form or another, and always did things we couldn't and didn't understand. Maybe sometimes they helped small groups of people, maybe they taught them some basic skills; maybe there was also some punishment involved. We always revered them as superior, and longed for their appreciation.
However, the big picture seems to be that they did their own thing, regardless of our presence, back then, just like now, living their own life on the ground or in the sky, we only being observers, servants or occasionally victims. We cannot always be sure about what exactly happened then, since the info is so old, scarce and twisted by those who passed it along through the history.

Yet one thing we can say for sure: what they never did is to invade this world.
They never took control, even if they appear to be more than capable of doing it. Why? We will probably never understand why, or at least not until we change our own social mentality of domination and destruction.

So why would they do it now? Why everyone fears an invasion? What we have now for them to want, that we didn't had before? iPhones? Nuclear energy? Lousy rockets who can hardly make it to the moon?
They seem way above our primitive technology. To be honest, we are still at the phase where we throw things at each others, be it stones, bullets or destructive bombs. We still think mechanical, while they seem to play with energies and forces we don't know nothing about.
Some will say that maybe they need slaves to work for them. To do what? Mine for gold? I mean, come on; with their technology they don't need stone age methods and thousands of slaves to mine something, if this is what they need. It doesn't make sense. Other resources? They can take whatever they want at any time; it's not like we can stop them somehow. But, really, they don't seem to need anything from earth, or at least nothing that we, humans, can hold from them.

On the contrary, to me it seems that they want as little contact to us as possible. They keep doing their thing, whatever that is, as they always did, and we still are only observers and occasional victims.

So if you fear an invasion, I think that you shouldn't. Most chances is that will not happen, at least not in the near future. Yet feel free to expand my theory, or bring your own ideas about an alien invasion.

As for disclosure, well, they don't seem to care enough to explain themselves to us.
They don't seem interested anymore to help us, if they ever were. Is possible that they tried once upon a time to give us tools and technology, and we only exploited it for more power, like we do today. They probably gave up. I mean, for the last two thousands of years at least, they stayed away. We've been through some dark times, we conquered new continents, we faced countless epidemics and deadly diseases, we had two world wars and built the atomic bomb, we've been in space. Yet they never interferred, not to help and not to stop us. They seem simply indifferent to us.
I'm sure that somewhere, at the highest levels of power, some of us know some basic things about them, but not much. If in time we'll know more, it will be because our people already know more, not because they, the "aliens", will tell us more.

I know that many of you will feel that I'm spoiling their biggest conspiracy, but I really think that things are simpler than we make them. I also know than many people want a change so much, and they hope for a better world from a better civilization, that will probably hate me for this thread. But I'm afraid that the change is not gonna come from above. We are on our own, people, like we always were. And maybe the smartest thing to do is to leave it be, accept it like something we can't reach yet, just like we can't reach Orion, and go on with our life.

Thanks for reading so far, and let's see what you think about this.




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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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I disagree,But I respect your opinion so I'm not going to argue.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Im not convinced that aliens ever were on Earth. I mean they fall into the same category of fairies, goblins, demons, gods etc. There is no actual proof of their existance. We have ancient storys maybe some pictographs and the like but its probably just made up. I mean if aliens really did walk among us freely thousands of years ago along with those other things, why did they stop? It just doesnt add up. Its a fun topic to speculate about but at the end of the day its wishful thinking.


 
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by DrManhattan
reply to post by WhiteHat
 


I disagree,But I respect your opinion so I'm not going to argue.


Well, thank you. I also respect other people' opinion, and I know that I'm not always right.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Thousands and thousands of photographs,videos,eye witness reports (Astronauts,Pilots,Government officials) Government files,and other evidence is not comparable to "Fairies".



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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I really try to keep an open mind about the whole alien thing , because there are just so many possibilities and different scenarios . One possibility that might satisfy your question is that the aliens that have come here for thousands of years are scientists and are studying our evolution and progress and the people they abduct are being studied for the effects that technology and pollution have done to us . And a possible reason why they have not made themselves known to us is to not influence our decisions on how we shape our world ? They may have also been different aliens that have visited us through the ages that have just stopped by to fuel up or a stop over to other galaxies just to take a break from being cooped up in a saucer for months and decided to help us out with a bit of technology here and there ?? Like I said earlier there are so many possibilities ??



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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MAYBE:
They wanted to see how we would progress on our own if they left us alone. (while still watching ofcourse)

They were here for short period of time to teach us things,seeding knowledge to the primitives of the universe.

They are living among us in disguise (like in MIB) to study our lives from out point of view.

Maybe they had to leave for some other reason unrelated to us,you know they could have other things to do.




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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Anyways I think disclosure could quite possibly happen,Many current and retired Government officials have stated that they are real and live among us,some in the US but many in other parts of the world too,like China,Japan,England Mexico etc. But for some reason it seem like the US is slowing this whole process down...don't know why we (USA) are being stubborn.....hmmm...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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To me the "gods" seem much more important than just fairies or goblins. They shaped our societies, they gave us rules to follow for the future, and pieces of knowledge that we only today start to understand.
And even so, if they would have stayed in our memory as only "spiritual' beings, I would have doubt it. But they were physical beings, they fought, they flew, they threw lights all around, they died sometimes, they slept with our women, they left and promise to come back someday.
If there is smoke, there must have been some fire.
Were they aliens?
That can be discussed. Maybe just a different civilization, more advanced. Maybe from another planet, I can't say.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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I like that your post is well thought out and doesn't sound like a spoiled brat not getting his way.

As for me, I love conspiracies but have to agree about the little interference (nowadays)

It could be that they only want to be in contact with TPTB. Although, I'd like to see some kind of commerce.

Maybe one of those galaxy tours



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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I'm going to make a short list

Aliens are real, and they want :

1. Humans to be extinct or culled as we clearly are destroying a beautiful planet, and the alien environmentalists see us as a blight on this pristine rock.

2. A new home, they have used all the resources on their planet, so earth seems like as good a place as any for a fresh start. This is something I can see humans doing if we live long enough to waste every last drop of water.

3. To kill us because they are straight up crazy. Kinda like the probe thing, definitely the sign of an unstable alien mind. This is something I can also see humans doing, both the probe thing, and the killing, sad, but true.

4. To enslave us. We are much cheaper than machines, and easily replaced.

5. Refuge. Think district 9.

6. Nothing much. They just fly in take some air samples here, and there. Probe a few people for "science" and generally stay out of the way, and off the radar. This is where genuine disclosure comes in, because at some point humanity as a whole needs to understand the world that they live in. Think the earth is flat, oh wait its not, kind of thing.


Aliens are not real, but ....

1. The powers that be want to cull the population, and a great way to accomplish this is to fake alien invasion. How ? Simple, saucers show up on local news reports blowing stuff up, people panic, and rush to wherever the news tells them, be it military bases, city centers, stadiums etc. They then tell military personal that the people seeking refuge are in fact infected with alien disease, and they must be "removed". Done, and done, all by special effects, movie magic, and government issue bullets.

2. False disclosure. What the heck is that ? Again its simple, the military complex gets money by making weapons, they get the government they control to disclose an evil alien threat that may exterminate all life on earth, and we can't afford to not protect ourselves. Whamo, space guns, and weaponized satellite platforms are costly, and in full production on the taxpayers dollar.

3. The government does it for the lulz because they are huge trolls, and get their kicks screwing with our minds.

4. To kill religion. People of every faith would have a wtf moment where they would question their beliefs. Without their old religion, the population becomes increasingly susceptible to a new religion, a religion that is much less about reward, and much more about sacrifice for the greater good. Kind of like a cross between environmentalists, and socialism with sunday mass.


There's so many more, but I don't want to type anymore. Hope this answers your question.

*note to add for those of you that believe aliens would be too advanced to want anything from us because they would have free energy, water synthesizers etc etc, could it be that they are not that advanced ? Advanced enough to travel here from say the neighbouring star with a travel time of ten years, and equally as irresponsible with their resources ? If not than can you see us being able to travel to the nearest solar system ? If not than this will blow your mind, with our current tech we can make it our closest neighbour system proxima centauri with gravitational assists, 19,000 years, with the slingshot theory potentially 800. How long will it take us in 200 yrs, and will we have water synthesizers by then ?
edit on 13-12-2011 by DrunkNinja because: Because I spelttt words's bad, and grammers wrongly, making these bads sentencems



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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I just came up with another theory on why they "left": Maybe they knew we may turn against them once we advanced and realized they aren't "Gods" but rather we are basically their inferiors,maybe they predicted we would rebel against them when we realized they aren't "holy". Just a thought I had,thought I'd share



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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3. The government does it for the lulz because they are huge trolls.

I'm still cracking up on that one



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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I never thought about them being tired and sick enough of us to stay out of the picture but its making some sense to me!

Its like giving a little kid (a cousin, or random person) an object or information that means a lot to you. They brake it or they use that information for bad. They then ask for more. You decide to give them something else because ehhh sh*t happens. What happens now? They have gone and done the same thing.

Fool me once, Shame on you
Fool me twice, Shame on me.

That could be why they are staying out of the picture. I beleive we are not alone! I think I would be small minded puppet stuck in the 14th century if I thought we were the only intelligence out there.

The smartest man on Earth (Our little blue dot) Mr. Hawking even says its "Mathematically" possible.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Great post op. I just wonder if like others said what if they are watching and waiting hoping we don't keep the same destructive heading but if they see its about to cause harm to the earth that is past repairing then maybe they would step in to see what went wrong. Or that the reason for all the extinctions is they have tried to make our race less archaic many times and just like now we failed so they wiped the slate clean with what we see as astroloid hits but cld be a total non nuclear eraser that wipes earth clean but doesn't harm the earth itself. Well that's my outlandish opinion guys lol I know I'm wayyyyy off but hey it sounded good lol



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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I don't mean to sound offenseive,but Stephen Hawking is far from the smartest man on Earth,Just because he has a robot voice doesn't make him any more brilliant than any of the other smartest people,Hawking doesn't really think oustide of the box,he essentially thinks he's right and everyone else with other theories are just stupid or crazy.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
reply to post by WhiteHat
 


I'm going to make a short list

Aliens are real, and they want :

1. Humans to be extinct or culled as we clearly are destroying a beautiful planet, and the alien environmentalists see us as a blight on this pristine rock.

2. A new home, they have used all the resources on their planet, so earth seems like as good a place as any for a fresh start. This is something I can see humans doing if we live long enough to waste every last drop of water.

3. To kill us because they are straight up crazy. Kinda like the probe thing, definitely the sign of an unstable alien mind. This is something I can also see humans doing, both the probe thing, and the killing, sad, but true.

4. To enslave us. We are much cheaper than machines, and easily replaced.

5. Refuge. Think district 9.

6. Nothing much. They just fly in take some air samples here, and there. Probe a few people for "science" and generally stay out of the way, and off the radar. This is where genuine disclosure comes in, because at some point humanity as a whole needs to understand the world that they live in. Think the earth is flat, oh wait its not, kind of thing.


Aliens are not real, but ....

1. The powers that be want to cull the population, and a great way to accomplish this is to fake alien invasion. How ? Simple, saucers show up on local news reports blowing stuff up, people panic, and rush to wherever the news tells them, be it military bases, city centers, stadiums etc. They then tell military personal that the people seeking refuge are in fact infected with alien disease, and they must be "removed". Done, and done, all by special effects, movie magic, and government issue bullets.

2. False disclosure. What the heck is that ? Again its simple, the military complex gets money by making weapons, they get the government they control to disclose an evil alien threat that may exterminate all life on earth, and we can't afford to not protect ourselves. Whamo, space guns, and weaponized satellite platforms are costly, and in full production on the taxpayers dollar.

3. The government does it for the lulz because they are huge trolls.


There's so many more, but I don't want to type anymore. Hope this answers your question.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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Yes, the scenarios could be so many, this why I didn't really got into specifics, but tried to paint a general picture.
Yet, I couldn't find nothing to indicate an invasion. Not in their past behavior, or in the present one. I see nothing they have a special interest in, except maybe for us, humans. Maybe they study us; maybe they need to refresh their gene pool from time to time, who knows....



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteHat

Originally posted by DrManhattan
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I disagree,But I respect your opinion so I'm not going to argue.


Well, thank you. I also respect other people' opinion, and I know that I'm not always right.


I do not agree with your opinion, and furthermore, I do not in any way, respect your opinion.

I do however, respect your freedom to freely speak your opinion... An opinion based on a certain amount of data you have absorbed.

You have not absorbed all the information possible, in order to make the ultimate, decisive, and relevant conclusion on the topic. Therefor your opinion on the matter is immature in being given.

You do not have all the information on the topic that the CIA has. You do not have all the information on the topic that the NSA has, the KGB, or the NAVY or AIR FORCE or ARMY.

You have only the opinion you're presenting here, based on what you've hypothetically theorized here.. AND formed from lack of evidence.

Whatever the NSA, CIA, NAVY etc.. have concluded and agreed upon sharing their facts from their experience on the matter is... THAT is one CONCLUSION of PRISTINE CONCRETE DATA that I can respect.


I have never seen an albino Asian human in person. Therefor it is my opinion that Albino Asian humans do not exist. Faulty logic here. Seems to me that you're trying to hard to disprove a negative. And you have not delved deep enough into Secret Societies and their plan for a potential false flag alien invasion in order to unite the world's military forces... Nor does it seem that you have extensively and unbiasedly researched ancient literature describing beings from the sky communicating with humans in every major world culture\religion. These portions of important information do not prove\disprove existence of extraterrestrial beings. However they do point more toward the probability of humans in the past having such an experience.

I do not think that evil aliens exist. Mutually Assured Destruction transcends the atomic bomb. Any race of beings that direct their collective effort based on undeveloped emotions like hate and fear will eventually wipe themselves out, or be destroyed by a benevolent race because they would eventually develop the technology to destroy the universe... and non-malevolent races will not have that... unless they did not value existing...

I DO think that human manufactured force of things that will seem like evil aliens can and most likely are\have been prepared in order to unite the world in a cataclysmic world invasion. NOT understanding that the holy bible is a playbook for the fraternity of the world's political\military\industrial leaders method of writing history is something not to be missed in forming your conclusion about this topic.


Another thing to absorb before making your conclusion on the matter... is the potential reality that humans were genetically engineered by a higher intelligence. There are too many facts within the data surrounding our genetics and development that are holes in us simply evolving. This is not to disagree with evolution entirely, but evolution concerning us... If we were genetically engineered, and were given this planet to evolve on our own and take responsibility for ourselves and mature responsibly, then there would be no point in us being constantly ushered along, parented along.. never learning on our own. there would be no thrill in discovering new things if these things were just spoon fed to us from our parent race.. and there would be no glory in overcoming our own obstacles if the parent race simply gave us the 'cheat codes' to ever problem needing solving... therefor this could be explained as a non-interference agreement... by them..as our culture developed... explaining their apparently not being here for so long..

on the other hand.. if they are so much more advanced than us.. then one could argue that they have transcended time and space.. using advanced technology allowing them to view you from another dimension.. and could be standing in front of you as you are typing the nay saying of their existence.. right in your room... without you having the slightest clue that you're being observed.. in a 'Truman Show' type of way...

based on the above information and much more... i think you should give yourself a few more years of research and not be so hasty in your forming of your opinions... maybe you will come back and have a more complete view of the big picture.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Why would aliens come visit a race that has spent the last 10 thousand years building bigger and better ways to kill each other?

I think they probably understand that our reaction to seeing them land on the White House Lawn would be as follows:

KILL IT WITH FIRE! DEAR LORD KILL IT WITH FIRE!

So there you go, that's the reason why nobody is ever going to say anything about aliens, governments, people or the aliens themselves. Give it another 10 thousand years of thought evolution and spiritual enlightenment..

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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