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What's going on in Copernicus crater?

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by arianna
Although some find it hard to accept that I may be possibly correct it was hoped that others may have some similar image data that they may have wished to contribute but nothing was forthcoming so I have to assume that no one else is looking for structures in Copernicus crater.
The problem is not finding it hard to accept that you may be correct, the problem is that you, apparently, refuse the possibility of being wrong.

The way you present your data, almost every time not pointing exactly what you see to make it easier for other people to understand your point of view doesn't help either.

I have no problems with the possibility of structures on the Moon or Mars, or even with tiny people living on Mars, but I cannot accept that just because someone tells me so. Posting a photo and saying "see, when I change the photo it shows what I mean" is not the best way of proving your point, it would be much better if you posted an unaltered photo and pointed to one (no need to waste time showing dozens of areas of interest, it will only "dilute" the attention we can give among all those areas) area of interest, explaining what you see and how why you interpret that way.

Also, how can you say that no one else is looking for structures in Copernicus crater, after what was posted by undo and by zorgon, for example? Do you say that because they find things that are not what you're expecting? Just because it doesn't support your opinion you cannot say that no one else is looking for structures.




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by arianna

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by draknoir2


At the time, I wrote to the principle investigator of the Phoenix mission, Peter Smith, explaining what I had found in the images. I explained to him I believed the reason why the excavated samples were lumpy in nature was because the scoop had collected surface material that was not only soil but included tiny structures and very tiny beings.


I would LOVE to read his response.

Could you post it please?


I have a copy



response ends.


That's interesting!

I would like to read it as well considering it could have only been an email reply from peter Smith.


So as well as an eye problem you cant spot a joke either



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Yes, it is hard to spot the tiny civilization evidence in some of the images but when you know what to look for it becomes a lot easier. The tiny structures could well be mistaken for small rocks or lumps of soil but when the solid shapes are examined very closely small rectilinear shapes can be observed.


You have mentioned many times in this thread that you "know what to look for".

What training do you have to look for extra-terrestrial civilizations?

Where did you train for that? On your own?

Do you have anything peer reviewed besides ATS?

You seem completely convinced you are correct. What do you base this on?
Your own observations and own affirmations?
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I reposted the above questions because I would truly like you to answer them, please.

One more question:

If these "structures" are even hard for you to distinguish after you've pored over the images for hours and manipulated them, how are you so sure they are really there?

Personal experience?
Conviction?
What?
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Personal experience?
Conviction?
What?

You forgot the main one IMAGINATION!



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Maybe this image will answer some of the vital questions that have been raised by members.

This image is a rotated and cropped section that was captured by Spirit during sol 1537.

What do you see, rocks or tiny structures?

A larger image is available at the Direct link below.




Direct link. i985.photobucket.com...



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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I was trying to be nice (sort of).


reply to post by arianna
 


Please don't "answer" our questions with more posts of the same photos you have already shown us.

What does that accomplish?

What questions does that answer?

If nobody saw anything but rock before (besides you that is), I doubt showing it a third or fourth time will suddenly change our minds.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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experience in archaeology and anthropology.


I'm not trying to be sarcastic but if the claim to the above quote is true then I must ask a question.

Have you ever seen just a rock?

Any archaeologist worth his salt would be able to tell a stone from a stone artifact and any child in school can see the images you have provided are rocks. Its almost like someone seeing the number eleven everywhere they look and trying to convince the world that 11 is significant to solving some esoteric code. Two trees in a field, two tall buildings in a city skyline, goalpost at a football game, everywhere they look there are two vertical "things" pointing to number 11 and the key to the universe.

You can make anything sound plausible for a short while until you become obsessed with your perceived insight while others start to worry about your sanity and unhealthy preoccupation with the number 11. Only problem is that some don't care about the number 11 like you do and go on about their business and others try to reason with you that "things" happen in twos everywhere.

I see rock.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by arianna
Although some find it hard to accept that I may be possibly correct it was hoped that others may have some similar image data that they may have wished to contribute but nothing was forthcoming so I have to assume that no one else is looking for structures in Copernicus crater.
The problem is not finding it hard to accept that you may be correct, the problem is that you, apparently, refuse the possibility of being wrong.

The way you present your data, almost every time not pointing exactly what you see to make it easier for other people to understand your point of view doesn't help either.

I have no problems with the possibility of structures on the Moon or Mars, or even with tiny people living on Mars, but I cannot accept that just because someone tells me so. Posting a photo and saying "see, when I change the photo it shows what I mean" is not the best way of proving your point, it would be much better if you posted an unaltered photo and pointed to one (no need to waste time showing dozens of areas of interest, it will only "dilute" the attention we can give among all those areas) area of interest, explaining what you see and how why you interpret that way.

Also, how can you say that no one else is looking for structures in Copernicus crater, after what was posted by undo and by zorgon, for example? Do you say that because they find things that are not what you're expecting? Just because it doesn't support your opinion you cannot say that no one else is looking for structures.


ArMaP, If I am wrong I will admit on the forum that I am wrong, but in the case of there being structures in Copernicus crater and tiny-sized civilizations on Mars, I know I am correct. I have to ask, if all of a sudden NASA came out with a press release stating that there are 'people' living on the moon and they had been there for a very long time and that there are millions of tiny-sized life-forms were living on Mars, no one would question it.

On this thread I have tried to put the case for both of these scenarios but have been ridiculed at every turn, and at times, by yourself. I would have thought that as you have an interest in geology you would be able to tell the difference between a rock and what could well be a structure even it was an unconventional build. I can understand members wanting to question what I have presented here and elsewhere on the forum but it has to be realized that the information we are being given by the scientists may be totally incorrect. What is being found in some of the images from the Moon and Mars would appear to prove that to be true.

Yes, I know that undo and zorgon have been exploring the lunar surface and finding some interesting artifacts. The point here is how many other members have carried out some real in-depth research? As visual research takes a great deal of time, I would think - not many.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by wmd_2008
 


I was trying to be nice (sort of).


reply to post by arianna
 


Please don't "answer" our questions with more posts of the same photos you have already shown us.

What does that accomplish?

What questions does that answer?

If nobody saw anything but rock before (besides you that is), I doubt showing it a third or fourth time will suddenly change our minds.


The image shown above has not been posted before on the forum. If you do not see structures in the image I'm afraid that's not my problem. Check out the original for yourself. Click on the view and select 'properties' and you will see the image number.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by arianna
What do you see, rocks or tiny structures?
Frankly, I only see fuzzy dark "blobs" that can be anything.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by arianna
ArMaP, If I am wrong I will admit on the forum that I am wrong, but in the case of there being structures in Copernicus crater and tiny-sized civilizations on Mars, I know I am correct.
This is what I don't understand, how can you know that you are correct? What kind of confirmation do you have that your interpretation is the right one?


I have to ask, if all of a sudden NASA came out with a press release stating that there are 'people' living on the moon and they had been there for a very long time and that there are millions of tiny-sized life-forms were living on Mars, no one would question it.
I would, as I do with everything. Just because someone tells me something it doesn't mean that's the truth. It has happened before, I don't agree with all that NASA (or ESA or any other space agency) say.


On this thread I have tried to put the case for both of these scenarios but have been ridiculed at every turn, and at times, by yourself.
Sorry if you felt ridiculed by something I wrote, it wasn't my intention.


I would have thought that as you have an interest in geology you would be able to tell the difference between a rock and what could well be a structure even it was an unconventional build.
Can you tell me what difference do you see, what makes you see that as a structure and not as a rock? Thanks in advance.


I can understand members wanting to question what I have presented here and elsewhere on the forum but it has to be realized that the information we are being given by the scientists may be totally incorrect.

Yes, it may be totally incorrect, but it may also be correct, so how can we know it?


What is being found in some of the images from the Moon and Mars would appear to prove that to be true.
The problem is not all people see things that way, so if we have at least two different interpretations for the photos, how can we know which one is the right one? It's even possible that both interpretations are wrong.


Yes, I know that undo and zorgon have been exploring the lunar surface and finding some interesting artifacts. The point here is how many other members have carried out some real in-depth research? As visual research takes a great deal of time, I would think - not many.
Since I joined ATS in 2004 I have seen dozens of people doing their own research, some spending all their free time doing it, so I guess they are more than you think.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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If I am wrong I will admit on the forum that I am wrong, but in the case of there being structures in Copernicus crater and tiny-sized civilizations on Mars, I know I am correct.


Why do I find that hard to believe? hmm

How do you know you are correct?

Have you been there?

Is your sight somehow more "advanced" than all other humans?

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By the way, please answer my questions from this post:www.abovetopsecret.com...
I have asked them a few times with no answers.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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If I am wrong I will admit on the forum that I am wrong,


Why do I find that hard to believe? hmm




but in the case of there being structures in Copernicus crater and tiny-sized civilizations on Mars, I know I am correct.

How do you know you are correct?

Have you been there?

Is your sight somehow more "advanced" than all other humans?

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By the way, please answer my questions from this post:www.abovetopsecret.com...
I have asked them a few times with no answers.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Sorry got it confused with this other photo of rocks. Imagine my embarrassment.


Wow look, that's how someone can admit they were wrong.

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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by arianna
There is no farce here. Everything is genuine. I have been accused of being delusional and misguided and subject to a degree of ridicule. Unfortunately, I do not have time to answer all the questions that have been asked in the thread as I have other commitments. I am not like some who sit in front of a computer screen for most of the day.


You seem to have taken a lot of time to "show" evidence of an incredible find. A discovery that would change everything. I am not sure why you don't have time to answer a few rather simple questions.



What I have attempted to show using the images I have posted is that there IS something going on in Copernicus crater. The floor of the crater is littered with many structures although these are hard to distiguish using the images available. They are not clear and the edge definition leaves a lot to be desired. The drifting off onto the subject of martian tiny people was only introduced as there are similarities between the artwork found on Mars and the artwork found in the lunar images. Mars is a vast subject on its own and I should not have included it here. I did so as I am sure there could well be a link between Mars and the Moon. I also believe there is a definite link between the ancient mature peoples of Mars and the ancients on this planet, but that's another story.


What really irritates me is that this is a very interesting topic and I have a number of questions to ask of you regarding this but since you don't have any time to answer any questions and have an actual discussion, I will just disregard your findings.



What I have provided in this thread was to provoke some thought not to convert anyone into believing what I have researched and found. Although some find it hard to accept that I may be possibly correct it was hoped that others may have some similar image data that they may have wished to contribute but nothing was forthcoming so I have to assume that no one else is looking for structures in Copernicus crater.

How can anyone know if your correct since you don't answer any questions? What I find hard to accept is that you don't answer any questions.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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As I have said previously, I do not have a lot of time to answer questions, but if members would like to ask something then please do so but please only one question at a time and I will answer as best I can.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by arianna

The image shown above has not been posted before on the forum. If you do not see structures in the image I'm afraid that's not my problem. Check out the original for yourself. Click on the view and select 'properties' and you will see the image number.


So...I have a problem if I don't see structures in the rock? It may not be YOUR problem if nobody sees them. but It may be YOUR problem (or symptomatic of a larger one) if you DO see things that are not there.

Imangine if we were all in a room having a scientific discussion and you have an actual sample of a rock that you claim has a huge, tiny civilization of tiny Martian sand people. The rock gets passed around and NOBODY can see what you are talking about. Questions are asked about what you see and how you come to your conclusions and your answer is that you don't have time to answer and that its not your problem if we can't see what's there.

You also state that you have trained yourself to "see" these things and add that there is a conspiracy by NASA to cover up that there are tiny sand people on Mars.

Now we are left with three possibilities
1. you are sincere
2. you are trying to fool us
3. you are mentally ill

Now reverse the roles. Which do you pick? I don't expect an answer but hopefully you might get some perspective....



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by arianna
As I have said previously, I do not have a lot of time to answer questions, but if members would like to ask something then please do so but please only one question at a time and I will answer as best I can.
Just answer them one at time. I don't understand



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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[color=gold]arianna, can you give an opinion on this video? This person seems to "agree" with you.....so, what do you think of this persons's claims?


I told Fox News, I told the Richmond Times Dispatch. I sent Emails to Senator's John Warner and Jim Webb. They did nothing.


God told me the Tiny Human population on Mars was dying needlessly, crushed by the wheels of the Mars Rovers. God's will has led me to the evidence you will see.


First the photo that contains the evidence will be shown. Then the two following photographic cuts containing the Tiny Dead Humans, a portion of which were crushed by the Mars Rovers Wheels



And, here is his video, where the above text ^ ^ ^ is included:




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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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Thanks for your comment.

I am not trying to fool anyone and I am definitely not mentally ill. What I have posted is in all sincerety.

A possible reason why I can see thing that other cannot may be that my brain is more 'tuned-in', so to speak, due to th amount of research that has been carried out in looking for the real truth of what's on the surface of Mars and the Moon.

When I first started to examine the images from Mars I was like most people completely unaware of the possibility that there was something on the surface that could not be recognized when the images were viewed. This situation carried on for some time until I started to examine the surface detail close-up. That's when everything changed in relation to finding out what is really on the surface of the planet.



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