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So A Government Won EU Referendum In The UK Would Allow Them To Change UK Constitution?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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After discovering that Voting Fraud took place in Ireland regardng the EU are we in the UK prepared give the government the legal ability to change UK constituion?

In Britain under our constitution we are 'free', basically we have unlimited, rights the only rights we do not have are those specified by law, in Europe its the opposite, they have 'no rights' except those they are told they can have.

Well I don't know about you but I prefer the first option, I dont think we should have a referendum we should just leave Europe, period.

Should the UK also move away from the United States for a while, if the people are to 'divide and conquer' a NWO.

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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I completely agree with you. We have inalienable rights and absolutely no one will be taking them from my living flesh. I do not stand under anyone. And even judges, had better be along my lines of thinking or their criminals and I won't stand under their dictatorial thumbs either. I won't stand under a majority of sheeple, who allow the murder and starvation of billions in unequal pyramid systems, banks, realtors and wars, who vote for corruption. I am more socialistic than any democracy or non democracy I've seen (for even communism is based on a scarsity system, whereas we all need to live without slavery in abundance) but find our governments far too fascist, for freedom equality must be wedded within us hand in hand, and we're the ones we are waiting for. so I denounce all the systems on earth, none of them even come close to what it would mean with high standards of human rights and equality, with councils of citizens, or basically all of us, stepping up to bat, growing muscles politically instead of being children and owned. Sovereignity and Freedom and Equality. Its a tough recipe to try and manage.

As the Hopi Elders said, do not wait for leaders to come.....we're the ones we've been waiting for. And we need citizens councils with teeth that can veto and gather a nation of people to toss out corrupt electees/employees.

The constitution is a few areas they take back from our infinite rights.

Don't let them get away with anything like this. Even if its passed its treason and illegal. Fascism is illegal/crimes against humanity.

Alot of their laws are the same thing, as opposed to basic common laws, which are more like the virtues in our hearts.

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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You do know they will not have a referendum Yes?

The reasons behind it they do not think the British Public are intelligent enough to have a debate over this issue. Plus on top of this they are scared out off their boxers of what the outcome would be, offf such a referendum.

Besides if the UK left the EU legislation would be brought in, detailing a bill of rights just like what they have in the USA.

The UK is in a difficult situation right now. One one hand their influence in the world has long gone. The US does not regard the UK as it used to, Now the standing of the UK in the EU is diminished. Maybe we the UK will become the next rouge state


Another thing it is funny how none of the mainstream media channels will report on how the Irish were forced into accepting something they voted No for. It just shows the lengths those in the EU will go to to have their dream of a Federal Europe come to fruitrician.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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I like your idea of the UK becoming a 'rogue or even mercenary' state ....... We do have some expertise their I believe.......


Regarding the EU.. the vote should be held but with a series of educational programs (30mins each) for and against....... BROADCAST on ALL channels...... people need to be aware and educated about this and not flipping EastBenders or the WasteFactor.......

Got to do this properly............. but it needs to be done and VERY SOON !!

Regards

PDUK



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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As far as I have been able to find out, the ordinary British public do not have any rights, the Magna Carta was written for the nobles rights, not the serfs, it took the British labour government quite some time to sign up to the EU bill of rights, mainly to make sure it did not affect the Queen or the PTB.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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U.K. should just go back to being rogue pirates.

You did it right, back then.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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The UK is in a difficult situation right now. One one hand their influence in the world has long gone. The US does not regard the UK as it used to, Now the standing of the UK in the EU is diminished. Maybe we the UK will become the next rouge state


Well, we've been a rouge state before, and named it the "golden age" which is where we went off stealing the gold the bigger boys stole, which was, when you think about it, quite naughty


In my mind it doesn't really matter if either side of the pond/channel doesn't want to play with us any more.. we have always been pretty resourceful and to be honest I feel being caught between the 2 has impacted that resourcefulness..

So in my mind breaking free of both might actually be the very thing we need to regain our previous sense of self and pride/respect in the individual nations that make up our union.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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I am slightly concerned how quickly some are willing to isolate Britain from the rest of the world. We need trading partners, we do 50% of our trade in goods and services to Europe. Trading more to Ireland than China Brazil and India combined. It's also a lot easier to trade with countries that are closer to you. Not as much in shipping costs.

So I think we need to think a little more about alienating ourselves from most of the countries in the world.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:07 AM
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"Rogue state", that's probably not far from the truth.
Personally I believe we should demand our country goes the same way as Iceland, although I can't see that happening any time soon.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:10 AM
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The UK does not have a constitution, where did you get that crap from? The closest thing you have to rights in the UK is governed by the EU bill of human rights, granted by a signing of the government of the UK, something the Conservatives are desperately trying to get out off. Apart from that the only other thing that governs your rights are the Magna Carter signed some 800 years ago which grants you freedom of persecution.

Everything else is passed as laws through Parliament, and these laws can be changed. Britain does not have a constitution.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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I would not be too concerned, the UK is totally bankrupt anyway, we have nothing to trade with. The only real income for the country stems from our financial corporations and the financial collapse is imminent. This means we will soon have no income whatsoever. So this means we will have to start, once again, looking after ourselves again as a country withouth having to rely on other countries to give us hand scraps as handouts.

So the question is this, is Britain capable of sustaining itself? Well we have managed for thousands of years,I am sure that a financial collapse will be survivable. The banks duped us and committed fraud and theft, leading us to a total based system of facism. We should stop relying on the USA also for a while and learn once again how to support ourselves.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:26 AM
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So the question is this, is Britain capable of sustaining itself?

maybe we could?

ETA

I actually did a little search about this, because I didn't know if we could be self sufficient and came across this interesting article. It seems we probably could self sustain with food at a push, but like everything it relies on energy.


“Crude calculations suggest that UK agricultural land could provide more than enough food from arable production in terms of our daily calorific requirements, in theory making the UK self-sufficient”. (DEFRA report para 4.14).

This is important because food security is along with energy security the most certain guarantee of a country’s sovereignty. Moreover, energy security is bound up with food security, viz: “As a measure of domestic food security, self-sufficiency does not cover the processing and distribution of food, it does not allow for the imported energy on which domestic agriculture is directly and indirectly reliant, and it does not take account of the resilience of the supply chain.” (DEFRA report Para 4.15)



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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:30 AM
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No one has stated that the UK has a bill of rights so, maybe read first before you go pointing fingers and shouting off on one.

It clearly has been stated that Those in Parliament want a separate Bill of rights for the UK/UK Constitution, Separate from the EU's Human rights act.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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Quote , The UK is in a difficult situation right now. One one hand their influence in the world has long gone. The US does not regard the UK as it used to, Now the standing of the UK in the EU is diminished.

How ill informed you and a lot on ATS are regarding the UK on the world stage , FACT every secretary of state in the USA has been chosen and positioned by the british.

OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

land.netonecom.net...

All this information regarding the Queen and the THE COMMITTEE OF 300 is freely available here on ATS , if you care to look.

Time to wake up people.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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So the question is this, is Britain capable of sustaining itself?

I would say it is not. We would have to return to World War 2 time rationing not only of food, but power.


Why would Britain not work with the rest of the world? it would just be a different relationship, and there are enough negative words used about our current relationships as it is, poodle, lapdog etc.. do you not think it would be good to redefine those relationships on a more positive footing?

Then perhaps we'll be off on a better footing, more respect, and perhaps more confidence in ourselves and our capabilities. ( It would also be good to redefine the relationships within our union for the same reasons)



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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Thank you for the information, I will have to read up on that one.



Yanno thinking on it, all we need now is for other countries such as Argentina to start sabre rattling too now over the Falklands to add pressure to the UK also.

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:35 AM
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Of course we have a constitution. Its based around the MC and written in common law etc...

Check the British Comstitution Group.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:38 AM
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Just hold a minute, when did Britain ever have a constitution?




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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There is no such thing as British Common Law. There is however English Common Law which does not apply to the whole UK.

The UK does not have a Constitution yet. although I find it bizarre we have a constitutional monarch but no constitution .



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by pikestaff
As far as I have been able to find out, the ordinary British public do not have any rights, the Magna Carta was written for the nobles rights, not the serfs, it took the British labour government quite some time to sign up to the EU bill of rights, mainly to make sure it did not affect the Queen or the PTB.


No, the Magna Carta also enshrined rights for the Serfs - this point was the cause of much early medieval conflict, with the Vatican, France and Spain (amongst others) declaring this went against the natural order of things.





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