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Obama Begs Iran to Give Him Back His Toy Plane

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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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You are sooooooo out of tune about what this thread is. OMG ...


TRY to follow along ... this has NOTHING to do with God. NOTHING to do with Jesus. NOTHING to do with Catholics. Nothing to do with being 'sinless' or forgiving or whatever other guilt-ladden christian rhetoric you want to toss in. It has to do with the regime of Iran with a jackboot pressed against the necks of it's people, and one of their dis-info agents coming on here professing America is horrid and Iran is wonderful. It has to do with Iran using Islam as an excuse for their crimes against humanity. It has to do with the OP presenting Iran as some innocent country - not spying on others, not engaging in proxy wars around the world, not sponsoring terrorism, not mistreating it's citizens, etc.

Ignoring the truth of what is going on in Iran and with the OP isn't being a 'good christian'.
Telling the truth is simply telling the truth. To ignore it would be ignorant.

OY




posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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You are a hypocrit,you accuse others but yet commit the same hypocrisy.What would Jesus have to say.Its a shame. and you call yourself a 'psychologist'.


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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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DPD, people don't hate America, they hate whining Yanks like yourself, crippled by a persecution complex so great, and so sensitive that any criticism against the US is akin to being slapped in the face.
You have no facts, nor opinions, all you do is go on and on like a broken record, your points becoming more and more obscured by the bile you spew
I can only assume this is intentional, and you're taking the piss though.... There can't be anyone that closed minded in reality can there?

===> Haven't seen you address the fact that the state of Iran is the fault of the United States either. Had you not imposed a puppet Shah and propped up its dictatorship (one of many around the world), the revolution would not have occurred.
Given that the US has never ceased meddling in the destiny of the sovereign nation of Iran, its not surprising that theres a degree of ill will toward the country is it?
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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Sorry, your comments make no sense.
Are you saying that no elements within the US make 'questionable comments'?
Clearly not, as you are not a stupid man.

However, following your.... rather spurious line of 'reasoning', the US should not be allowed nuclear weapons, because it is guilty of pretty much everything you level against Iran...

Just interested in whether you have any response to this?

(Just for the record though, Iran wont be attacked for a while yet, because the US is completely incapable of going to war against a developed nation without a minimum 10 years of imposed sanctions first. Added to which, all surplus missiles were used imposing an illegal regime change in Libya, gotta wait a few more years till its time to cycle out the old munitions first
)

Edit ==> Matter at hand, Iran should Auction off the drone to the highest bidder (after reverse engineering it themselves)
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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You are just diss-informed brain-washed and I can not help you. You can come over to my every thread and post three replies to one post , but I won't give up ATS.

But the idea you have about me , I bet that time will provide your answer.

My last message is the repeated one , in bold :


یا بَنی إِسْرائیلَ اذْکُرُوا نِعْمَتِیَ الَّتی أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَیْکُمْ وَ أَوْفُوا بِعَهْدی أُوفِ بِعَهْدِکُمْ وَ إِیّایَ فَارْهَبُونِ (40)
O, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL! CALL TO MIND THE FAVOUR I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU, AND BE FAITHFUL TO YOUR COVENANT WITH ME; I WILL BE TRUE TO MINE, AND HAVE AWE OF ME. (BY PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES, AND OBSERVING THE COVENANT)
وَ آمِنُوا بِما أَنْزَلْتُ مُصَدِّقاً لِما مَعَکُمْ وَ لاتَکُونُوا أَوَّلَ کافِر بِهِ وَ لاتَشْتَرُوا بِآیاتی ثَمَناً قَلیلاً وَ إِیّایَ فَاتَّقُونِ (41)
AND HAVE FAITH IN WHAT I HAVE SENT DOWN (THE QURÄN) CONFIRMING THAT WHICH IS WITH YOU, AND BE NOT THE FIRST TO DENY IT, AND SELL NOT MY SIGNS FOR A LITTLE PRICE, (CONCEALING THE SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF QURÄN AND MOHAMMAD WHICH IS FOUND IN YOUR SCRIPTURES, FOR A LITTLE INCOME!) AND FEAR YOU ME.
وَ لاتَلْبِسُوا الْحَقَّ بِالْباطِلِ وَ تَکْتُمُوا الْحَقَّ وَ أَنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ (42)
AND COVER NOT TRUTH WITH FALSEHOOD, NOR CONCEAL THE TRUTH WHILE YOU KNOW IT.


Peace.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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I think it is a unnecessary thing to answer and reply him.

He just comes with all agendas the govt feed himher.

He is the one who can help himself.

He comes to my threads and spreads diss-information about Iran , and is insisting me to accept him.

Ignorance is the best cure for such people.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
You are a hypocrit,you accuse others but yet commit the same hypocrisy.What would Jesus have to say

blah blah blah If your version of 'christianity' is to stick your head in the sand and refuse to state the truth .. then have fun with that. It's not 'christianity' ... just ignorance .... but have fun with it.


.Its a shame. and you call yourself a 'psychologist'.]

No I don't. I said I have a degree in Psychology. I never said I'm a practing psychologist.

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
Are you saying that no elements within the US make 'questionable comments'?

Nope. I never said that. But that's not the subject at hand. The poster is feigning innocence for Iran. The poster is saying America = all evil and Iran = wonderful and innocent. I have shown that simply isn't true.

Clearly not, as you are not a stupid man.

I'm not a man.

the US should not be allowed nuclear weapons, because it is guilty of pretty much everything you level against Iran...

The USA has nuclear weapons and has only used them in self defense against Japan in WWII. That fact that we have them 'kept the peace' during the cold war. Iran has said that they would wipe out TeleViv if they had a nuclear weapon. Iran has many proxy wars going on in which they would use them. Iran sponsors terrorism and has called for the destruction of America. The USA (and ISrael for that matter) are nuclear nations that have shown restraint while holding them. Iran would not. The history and the instability of the leadership proves this.

Iran wont be attacked for a while yet, because the US is completely incapable of going to war against a developed nation without a minimum 10 years of imposed sanctions first. Added to which, all surplus missiles were used imposing an illegal regime change in Libya, gotta wait a few more years till its time to cycle out the old munitions first

Fully agree with this statement of yours.

ran should Auction off the drone to the highest bidder

I'm sure they already did. And I'm sure the highest bidder was probably China.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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I told you ... don't bother with the Qu'ran quotes. The Qu'ran is worthless and isn't from God.
You'd know that if you had freedom of the press ... freedom of religion ... freedom of information.
But Iran doesn't.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
I think it is a unnecessary thing to answer and reply him.


Yep .. you still haven't answered .... you keep running away ....

You admit there is no freedom of information or freedom of the press in Iran, and yet you somehow got access to the internet and are here posting the Iranian party line over and over .... so how can that be ... unless you are a government agent???



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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so how can that be


I chose wrong words , I corrected my statement , and I said there is tight restriction in Iran.

The fact about ATS is that Iran is not taking it as seriously as you do.

The time I'll stopped sending replies , it will be the time to ban ATS.

Do you think ATS is the center of the universe ?
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The USA has nuclear weapons and has only used them in self defense against Japan in WWII. That fact that we have them 'kept the peace' during the cold war. Iran has said that they would wipe out TeleViv if they had a nuclear weapon. Iran has many proxy wars going on in which they would use them. Iran sponsors terrorism and has called for the destruction of America. The USA (and ISrael for that matter) are nuclear nations that have shown restraint while holding them. Iran would not. The history and the instability of the leadership proves this.

Iran wont be attacked for a while yet, because the US is completely incapable of going to war against a developed nation without a minimum 10 years of imposed sanctions first. Added to which, all surplus missiles were used imposing an illegal regime change in Libya, gotta wait a few more years till its time to cycle out the old munitions first


The US has more proxy wars going on, and has propped up more power mad dictators than any nation on earth.
Iran, up until very recently was ruled by a US puppet dictator. Therefore the country is less than 40 years old, you can't really expect it to be fully mature as of yet.
And I fail to see how Iran is any less of a viable risk than Israel, India or Pakistan, all of whom have been on the brink of using their nukes since the day they got them.

Nuclear weapons are 1950's technology,you cannot expect people not to develop them, its an absurd proposition to believe otherwise.

(Just as an aside though, how is the Qu'ran any less from god than the Torah, or the Bahagvagita, or Upanishads or bible? All paths lead to Shiva.)
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
holding my place

You edited out your drivel ... but here you go ...

1 - I did indeed answer your questions.
2 - I'm a 'SHE' not a "HE"
3 - Your bringing in the Torah is bizzare. I never said the Torah was from God. I never said the Bible was from God. I showed that the Qu'ran is NOT from God .. 1000s of errors and contradictions. GOD doesn't make errors or contradictions. Therefore - the Qu'ran is not from God.

If you'd like to start a thread about how the Torah or the Bible is not from God. Please do.
I'd be more than happy to join that conversation.

Edited to add .... you pulled that ignorant 'race' card and called me a racist.
hey buddy ... religion isn't a race. And you have no idea what color skin I have or my family members have. If you did .. you'd realize how ignorant your pulling the race card on me was. It's always the sign of desperation ....
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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You are sooooooo out of tune about what this thread is


No , you just want to steer all my threads your way and it is plain madness.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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I have to warn you for getting this thread much offtopic.

Here is ATS and it has rules and people are equal due the rules.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by FlyersFan
 



You are sooooooo out of tune about what this thread is

No , you just want to steer all my threads your way and it is plain madness.

No, you just want to post anti-American / pro-Iranian propaganda without anyone exposing it for what it is.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
holding my place

You edited out your drivel ... but here you go ...

1 - I did indeed answer your questions.
2 - I'm a 'SHE' not a "HE"
3 - Your bringing in the Torah is bizzare. I never said the Torah was from God. I never said the Bible was from God. I showed that the Qu'ran is NOT from God .. 1000s of errors and contradictions. GOD doesn't make errors or contradictions. Therefore - the Qu'ran is not from God.

If you'd like to start a thread about how the Torah or the Bible is not from God. Please do.
I'd be more than happy to join that conversation.

Edited to add .... you pulled that ignorant 'race' card and called me a racist.
hey buddy ... religion isn't a race. And you have no idea what color skin I have or my family members have. If you did .. you'd realize how ignorant your pulling the race card on me was. It's always the sign of desperation ....
edit on 12/19/2011 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)


Hey,stuck a reply in the place holder


Anyhow. The religion of Islam, can be construed as a race,since it is both the racial language and culture of an entire racial group. In the same way that Judaism is.Can you really not see that?
(Or was Hitlers persecution of the Jews not racially based? Because they didn't have to much of a problemwith Palestinians... and both are of the "Semitic race")

And the other point is kinda already in the place holder,but I don't see how ANY of the worlds major religions cannot be "FROM GOD". All of your reasons for discounting the Qu'ran can be applied to any book of any major faith.
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by FlyersFan
 



You are sooooooo out of tune about what this thread is

No , you just want to steer all my threads your way and it is plain madness.

No, you just want to post anti-American / pro-Iranian propaganda without anyone exposing it for what it is.


I really don't see that as a problem though, what about all the pro US propaganda thats shoved down the worlds throat whenever it turns on the tv?

Noone actually believes what they see read or hear do they? The only truth which exists is the dialectic between two extremes.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
. The religion of Islam, can be construed as a race,

No it can't. As you said .. the RELIGION of islam ...
Race = negroid, caucasian (or cacasoid), asian. Not what a person believes.

All of your reasons for discounting the Qu'ran can be applied to any book of any major faith.

Yes ... I never said they couldn't ... in fact, I have CORRECTLY said many times here that there is probably very little of God in the bible ... the old testament is a mess.
edit on 12/19/2011 by FlyersFan because: fixed quote



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
what about all the pro US propaganda thats shoved down the worlds throat whenever it turns on the tv?

True ... but separate issue .. separate thread ... in fact, there have been MANY threads on that subject over the years. If you wish .. go ahead and start one and I will join the conversation. However, THIS thread is by someone who probably is a dis-info agent from Iran (for reasons I have stated) and who refuses to engage in a conversation that doesn't go in the pro-Iranian propaganda direction. This isn't a place for soapboxes .. it's a place to get questioned ...



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
. The religion of Islam, can be construed as a race,

No it can't. As you said .. the RELIGION of islam ...
Race = negroid, caucasian (or cacasoid), asian. Not what a person believes.

All of your reasons for discounting the Qu'ran can be applied to any book of any major faith.

Yes ... I never said they couldn't ... in fact, I have CORRECTLY said many times here that there is probably very little of God in the bible ... the old testament is a mess.
edit on 12/19/2011 by FlyersFan because: fixed quote


Right.... So Hitlers persecution of the Jews was not racially motivated?

Jesus they'd best rewrite the history books, Flyers Fan has proven them all wrong!



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
what about all the pro US propaganda thats shoved down the worlds throat whenever it turns on the tv?

True ... but separate issue .. separate thread ... in fact, there have been MANY threads on that subject over the years. If you wish .. go ahead and start one and I will join the conversation. However, THIS thread is by someone who probably is a dis-info agent from Iran (for reasons I have stated) and who refuses to engage in a conversation that doesn't go in the pro-Iranian propaganda direction. This isn't a place for soapboxes .. it's a place to get questioned ...


But you aren't questioning him. You're baiting him.
Who cares if he's a disinfo agent?

You weren't refuting his points you were antagonizing him and acting in a manner which I personally thought came across as more than a little bigoted (and thats if Im being nice!).
(Having spoken to you I can now see that isn't the case, but it does look that way to a casual observer)



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