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Deadly blasts rock central Liege in Belgium

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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:24 AM
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by GypsK

Originally posted by zatara
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....or was this some kind of satanic sacrifice for the belgian royal family? .


uhum.... what???
I would really like to hear you explain the above sentense.... really...
pls do :p


Well....at queensday April 30 2009, in the Netherlands a lonewolf "crazy" person drove his car through a dense crowd until finally crashed into a masonic obelisk, 6 or 7 innocent unexpecting people died. In the minds of occultist it is these human sacrifices are to be offered for whatever reason or goal to the spirits, demons, satan or whatever god they worship. Some conspiracy theorist think that the royalty of this world worship someone else than the God of the Bible.

Just like what happened in Norway.....they also have royalty. Maybe the killing of princes Diana was a sacrifice,...911?

Maybe time will tell when specifics of what happened in Belgium will surface...We, thankfully, have not seen a mass killing of innocent germans and victims in other european countries yet.

Anyways...for such a sacrifice it would be better for the organisiers to use someone who will fit the bill and cause no suspicion....an insignificant patsy.

I know, a lot of maybies but that is how it goes in conspiracy land. I hope that I could explain sufficiently and do you understand my point.

If you are interested why the death of Diana is connected to ritual sacrifice there are enough explanations on the intenet about it and here on ATS.

This HERE is such an ATS thread but you can use the search engine for others.


PS a manchurian candidate is not created just for the assassination of political leaders but can be used for all kind of "missions".


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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by MRuss
Two days ago, there was a shooter in Florence, Italy who shot four people, killing two of them. He was then either killed or killed himself.

Florence is also an unlikely place for such an event.

There seems to be many reports of unsettling violence this week.


That was a strange incident - it was reported as a white nationalist / supremacist killing african street vendors. However, one of the eyewitnesses was an african street vendor who tried to stop him and was told to get out of the way or he would have to be shot too. That doesn't sound like a racist / bigotted killer does it? If he was, surely he would just of killed the african trying to stop him?

To me it sounds like a targeted attack for a specific purpose.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 06:38 AM
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Well, I have a problem with the fact country's go to great length's to prevent even non-lethal weapon's going into the hands of the populace.
The rosy-minded notion of all weapons are evil so no-one should have them belong's in a lunatic asylum.

People are being killed thanks to an abstract and banal mentality from governments across Europe.
Is it something these people took during the free-love 60s or just born stupid when it comes to the real life world?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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In my opinion it's another example of laxity from the Belgian Law system. This guy was caught with 2.800 cannabis plants and got 48 months for it. He was also caught with a dozen of heavy fire arms and 9.500 gunparts and would have got 16(!) months for that, but he didn't get the sentence because of a "technical problem"...

Sooo... 48 months for the blow but only 16 months for possessing heave fire arms and thousands of gunparts??? And not even getting that sentence?? Our Belgian courts are to be blamed for the death of all these innocents!

In other news, a few days ago they found a member of Sharia4Belgium with an AK-47 in his house! Sharia4Belgium is some loony club of radical Muslims screaming hate & violence against all infidels on the streets and their website. Guess what? They released him almost immediately! Police spoke of a "very serious fact" and now "we will keep a close eye on them". What?? Like always, they will wait until the bullets fly around and the explosives go off. I'm so p*ssed off!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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What an odious perspective you have.

If you continue to focus on one's ethnicity as their sole feature or characteristic, i'm afraid you will spend the rest of your life as a very angry person. The reality is that your generalised, racist comments are not only ill-informed but ignorant. Multiculturalism, immigration, any name you give to the process of cultures amalgmating has happened across the world, from Tribe #001 until now. Starting to go a little OT now, but suffice to say the benefits of immigration / multiculturalism far outweigh the alleged downsides that bigots hold up in their defence.

When you think Africa is a country, you have got problems of your own fella. To genuinely believe all Africans are rapists / murderers / criminals or of that ilk is at best embarassing and at worst fundamentally idiotic.

Back on topic - I suspect the other individuals arrested / mentioned may well have just been hazy reporting in what was clearly a shocking and outrageous event. I would imagine that, perhaps hearing something going on outside (explosions, screaming) any convicts etc within the justice building may have hedged their bets and made a run for it. This would also explain the multiple shooter element - in part - if police were seen to be running out the court, shouting and chasing others.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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I notice his post just pick and chose the ethnicity's of his choice. Not one mention of how the Aboriginals were seperated by geography before the Brits arrived in Oz, or the native people of the Americas before the European migration.
Some people huh?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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is there really a difference between a "revenge" attack and a "terrorist" attack? I mean think about it, does there need to be a legal distinction? an attack on human life is an attack on human life



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by VonDoomen
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is there really a difference between a "revenge" attack and a "terrorist" attack? I mean think about it, does there need to be a legal distinction? an attack on human life is an attack on human life

Right on. He has spread terror into the hearts of the Liège citizens and across the country. Hence: terrorism.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian

Originally posted by MRuss
Two days ago, there was a shooter in Florence, Italy who shot four people, killing two of them. He was then either killed or killed himself.

Florence is also an unlikely place for such an event.

There seems to be many reports of unsettling violence this week.


That was a strange incident - it was reported as a white nationalist / supremacist killing african street vendors. However, one of the eyewitnesses was an african street vendor who tried to stop him and was told to get out of the way or he would have to be shot too. That doesn't sound like a racist / bigotted killer does it? If he was, surely he would just of killed the african trying to stop him?

To me it sounds like a targeted attack for a specific purpose.


I actually wondered this too. You walk amoung a whole pile of people, some of whom are the same ethnicity, and pick just three of them. Then walk away through the crowd again.

It tastes like business deal gone bad.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by old_god
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I was being sarcastic, it's a British thing. I was indirectly referring to your posts prior to mine where you seemed to assume (as you always do) that a Muslim was involved (they are in the spotlight after all).

Adios.


Because...he is?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Staafke

Originally posted by VonDoomen
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is there really a difference between a "revenge" attack and a "terrorist" attack? I mean think about it, does there need to be a legal distinction? an attack on human life is an attack on human life

Right on. He has spread terror into the hearts of the Liège citizens and across the country. Hence: terrorism.


Depends on if it had a political/religious/social purpose.

But I suggest that these differences have no meaning. The crime remains the same. The REASON is for policing and politics to deal with.

Making terror laws is forcing the justice system to do the job of politicians.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe
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. Starting to go a little OT now, but suffice to say the benefits of immigration / multiculturalism far outweigh the alleged downsides that bigots hold up in their defence.

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And if it were your own familiy or self that were raped or murdered by immigrants that would still be a trifling occurance compared to the supposed wonders of multiculturism..???...or is it that the 'downsides' seem insignificant when suffered by others.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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www.telegraph.co.uk...
"A search last night revealed in a warehouse used by the attacker, notably to grow cannabis, the body of a woman killed by the attacker before he went to the Place Saint Lambert," said Prosecutor Cedric Visart de Bocarme. ... Police searched the warehouse, discovering a store of heavy weaponry.

There doesn't seem to be that much curiosity in the media or police about where exactly Amrani got all his gear.  But I think someone who can get grenades and military-style assault weapons has connections to the criminal underworld or the military/intelligence apparatus(or am I being redundant?).  But of course that wouldn't fit their 'lone whackjob' mold, now would it?



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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See, this is where this stuff goes off the rails.

A good number of people can't figure out the difference between a person, and a person's choices.

The racists can't figure out that they are their own worst enemy.

Cultural and genetic exchange is inevitable, normal, and essential. Social policies that ignore the strategy and mechanics of civilization and disrespect the cultures that form the social policies that support the global economy are partially to blame for increasing genetic and cultural push back.

All the Western nations encouraged their populations to get their populations under control and embrace peaceful social structures. Then started introducing new elements. Okay, that can work. Then they ignored the mechanics of civilizations and the inherent urge to protect one's genetics by ramping up immigration to a point that is problematic.

Plus it is disrespectful, in that these social policies of controlled population are being rewarded with a demographic replacement strategy, and if you notice that then you might be racists. Or a MAMMAL, because that reaction is that essential. It is common to every mammal on the planet.

Racism is an abhorrent social phenomena that also denies nature. My genetic preferences as an animal is to pick the BEST of the available candidate that are compatible with my genotype. If you aren't it, and someone of another race is, well then your racism is interfering with normal behaviour.

Frankly, given the choice between someone of my racial type who is a ranting thug, and someone of another race who is talented or intelligent and shares my values, my choice doesn't seem hard to make.

See there is a very important point in there again. SHARED VALUES, BEST TRAITS. This point applies on the individual level to the societal level. Microcosm to the Macrocosm.

Now let me address the "immigrants are criminals" thing. I'm sure there are some. It isn't all of them. If you can't make this distinction, then you have nothing. People like their neighbours even if you'd prefer they don't.

If your politicians and bureaucrats are enforcing acceptance of sub-standard immigrants, then you have the RIGHT and the DUTY to tell them to stop. Your politicians and bureaucrats are YOUR reps. If immigrants are criminals, deport them. If they've gotten citizenships and they are committing violent crimes or human rights violations, revoke and deport.

Frankly, the UK has enough of its own dumb homegrown thugs. You don't need to import them.

Illogical immigration policies AND racists are both tyrannical forms of illogic.


NOW though....If this guy is Moroccan, he is Caucasians. Not realizing that makes racists look REALLY stupid.


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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by old_god
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I was being sarcastic, it's a British thing. I was indirectly referring to your posts prior to mine where you seemed to assume (as you always do) that a Muslim was involved (they are in the spotlight after all).

Adios.


Because...he is?


You and I both know what I am referring to. He was a criminal period however by your logic everyone who is a Muslim is a terrorist (or soon to be one)?

Aeons, I respect your critical and intelligent posts but sometimes you go out on a limb...don't jade opinions based on your personal prejudices.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Ignoring that his form of religion can and is easily used to support this behaviour isn't logical.

He is a criminal. And if he's a terrorist as well, as I suspect he is, he's done it based on a set of beliefs that find a comfortable home in about a billion people. It isn't up to me to fix that - that's up to you. There is a problem. It doesn't go away because you don't like that I and others see it.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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You know what, I have some terrible racist friends. They are still my friends because I know them since childhood. But I truly feel sorry for them. To waste a lifetime on hatred and feeling uncomfortable in the multi-cultural society we live in nowadays is their sad choice. I've given up on trying to change their views, it's to no avail and gets to the point where I start feeling bad about it. So one day I decided to live my own life and just react with a silent and amused smile when they yet again start their rant about some immigrant who parked his car double in front of a night shop


As for me, I also had troubles in the past coping with immigrants and their way of life. But since 4 years I live in a city flooded with Moroccans & Turks & all kinds of different nationalities. And to be honest, I have a great relationship with them and I feel really appreciated by them for the effort I put in being friendly & communicating with them. All they need is a smile and a friendly voice and the ice is immediately broken. As for the "white Belgians", there's hardly anyone friendly around. They even look at me in hatred when I shake hands with Mohammed & Abdel on the street or in a local store. As I'm some sort of traitor. So maybe we should start looking at ourself first before judging other people who happen to have another skin color. Last time I checked, their sh*t stinks too... Well, I didn't really check, but you get the point



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Another question no one has asked is what Amrani did for a living. He lived in a nice apartment building in an upscale part of town, yet we hear nothing about a job or a profession, other than that he was the 'go to' guy if some criminal gang needed weapons. So with over 20 known arrests of this man, it's clear he was a professional criminal, and thus probably even a police informant, as that is often the cost of doing business in his world. Someone who perhaps was given an offer "he simply couldn't refuse," as the saying goes.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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You know, if in any other cultures or societies people are suddenly forced to accept hundreds of thousands of immigrants, this is not considered acceptable. It is recognized in ANY other cultures as an attack. There are reams of documents in the UN about exactly this phenomena, always supporting the rights of Peoples.

I don't have any problem with peoples. I have a problem with a societal model that is guaranteed to cause problems by being unreasonable. And the current ones, they are unreasonable.

That "unfriendly" you are noticing, that has been occured because our societies' peoples actually did what they thought was good and governments encouraged them to do. Work. Sleep. Work. Reduce population. Remove binding social phenomena (religion).

What it has gotten us is societies that have begun breaking down, we are assured this was the right thing to do....and when we are then being replaced, by cultures that don't do that it is like a smack in the face. We followed a course to BREAK our cultures, and we are rewarded for it with the most obvious reward we deserve for following a course of error. Being TAKEN OVER. The few remaining cultural phenomena we have to hold onto are under attack, and people are rightly acting out about it.

Those people are friendly because their cultures haven't been reduced to a Corporatism-Socialist blender of bland people who don't have anyway of interacting with each other.

If the governments of the Western nations don't smarten up with their immigration policies, they are playing with FIRE. The Corporatism-Socialism marriage of convenience that has broken down the Western nations societies is about to hit a wall. The boomers are aging out, and all that is going to be left is the Children of the Peoples of the Lost Cultures. I think that the Western nations have seriously underestimated how they are going to react, how they are starting to react. When the huge geneation starts dying out, and they are left with broken homes, unworkable relationships, social reformation that has left them without societal ties.

Their last serious ties to a society, are dying off. I think that if they don't back off now, that they are setting up immigrants as well.

This confluence of social phenomena is not going to lead to a great-sharing culture.
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