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The Conspiracy Is YOU, Not The Illuminati

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:13 AM
reply to post by stuncrazy

This may look like the "I don't want to take responsibility" line, but it's not.

Society has been shaped and designed by specialists, that inherited their knowledge from those that came before them.

You could say politics is one of the oldest science around. They had time to refine their controlling techniques.

Do you know what an abusive person will say to its victim? It's your fault. You forced me to do it.

Same as governments... Or the society "elites", if you prefer. They just have to do things for our own good. And like any bully, it is hard to get rid of it.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:14 AM
reply to post by Jwest06

thank you sir for this OP S&F for you

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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edit on 13-12-2011 by neotech1neothink because: added star/flag

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:10 AM
Bearing in mind that I absolutely am a flawed human being:

Originally posted by Jwest06
There's no one forcing you to waddle your way into McDonald's and order imitation food products.

and I don't

No one's forcing your hand while you pour that aspartame down your throat.

nope I don't do that either, avoid it like the plague and I read ingredients of everything I eat/drink, actually most of my food I cook and prepare myself from basic ingredients

No one forces you to police and terrorize each other like you have some kind of God-appointed authority over other human beings, although "someone" seems to. You do these things.

I actually resent that. I police nobody, I never have and I don't intend to. This is true for all the interpretations of policing I can think of ie. I do not try to exert authority over anybody in any way that I'm aware of.

Did you not have a conscience as a child?


Did you not feel guilty when you hurt someone else?


Who's really to blame for you losing it over the years when you have free will?

losing it? I never had it in the first place haha

Could you let go of your senseless religions and hateful Gods that demand your complete slavery?

Religion, gods? Me? Never.

Catch yourself when you see your negative reactions and reprogram your subconscious mind that lives so much of your life. Feel positive for a change instead of always torn down or depressed about what's going on around you. Your free will is in how you react. Hell may be encompassing every aspect of the world that exists outside yourself, but you control your own mind and sense of self.

That's a good positive message, thanks.

Go inside yourself and find your own answers, because they've always been there. Experience the ego death / mind body separation whether it be through thousands of hours of meditation or the short cuts that nature has provided for you. Most importantly, relax, it's only a ride.

I agree, and do.

If the things above are true of me, I know they will be true of lots of other people reading this thread, because I'm not special. I don't really understand what the OP is aiming to do to be honest and I'm open to accepting that may be due to my own ignorance or my missing something obvious.

It sounds like you'd like to be addressing a human mass of 7 billion, but there is no such thing. I mean it's obvious that 7 billion people aren't sitting reading your post at once with a single pair of eyes and group brain.

Each person reading the post is an individual, the reason I felt I wanted to respond was that as an individual I felt as if a lot of unfounded accusations were being thrown at me and trying to make me feel guilty for actions that are nothing to do with me. I do things wrong sometimes and usually feel guilty about them - but not the things being hurled at me here.

Almost everybody who has posted before me seems to agree with you so that suggests that I may be missing something as I said. Am I just reading it too literally?

Basically it seems like a large telling-off aimed at a group that would only make sense if the group was one, and it isn't it's made of individuals. It's making me think of those silly statistics that talk about the average person (who doesn't exist but is just a mathematical mean, yet because statistics creates the concept we talk as if the person exists and represents us all). Or that idea of the population-sustaining '2.4 children' that the average couple has - again statistics being misused in a silly way because of course no family has 2.4 children.

I don't feel I've got my point across very well but this post is already too long! Well if nothing else at least your post made me think and got a reaction.
edit on 13/12/11 by morkington because: fixed typo (wrote 'posted before me seems to agree with me', meant 'agree with you')

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 05:05 AM

Originally posted by muzzleflash
So I shouldn't complain about things like Fukushima or speak out against idiocy because it's all my fault?

Fukushima has nothing to do with the Illuminati... just incompetent greedy corporate moguls

No one is forcing the radioactive isotopes down my throat? I beg to differ...

I would say that no is doing that because if they did you wouldn't be here to speak about it

They clearly covered up alien tech. That isn't my fault

What proof do you have that there are any aliens to cover up?

And do you even know what an Illuminati is or do you just generalize every one into a group?

Just curious

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:23 AM
Excellent piece! Thanks for posting. It is, indeed, high time we take a good hard look at ourselves, and realize that we are all energetically involved and responsible for playing this game, directly or by proxy, but responsible none the less.
Please allow me to add the following:
I often wonder how it is that so few seem to think of or understand the fact that, resistance creates resistance, in whichever shape or form. The harder you fight for or against something, the harder that ‘something’ will resist, and when taunted, will fight back. When I look at and experience what goes on in the world, and read, hear, see, comments and actions, on what should be done about its forced chaos, I have, until now, found very few voices that choose to simply ignore the powers that be, and go out and do what is right for themselves and, as a result, for others. Quite an endeavour, with blood, sweat and tears, since the world has been sufficiently dumbed-down, to have lost the knowledge of how to do that.
We seem to have forgotten the sheer energetic power preservation for things that really matter, by simply ignoring strangling rules and regulations, administered by those who are of different opinion and who had rather see the world turn into the absolute of control. There is a bigger reason for that last, however, which becomes quite clear, once we shed the scales from our eyes. But that’s not the issue here.
Simply not doing as you are told, leaves ‘authority’ with empty hands, no tools to implement its wishes, namely you. If there are no people to carry out orders, nothing works in our physically limited realm of existence. Things need a vehicle, a physical or other form of manifestation, to accomplish something. The vehicle of manifestation and accomplishment on our plain of existence, is the human being, as an extension of All That Is. Meaning, you and I. Furthermore, the Earthly powers that be, have no inkling about how to physically accomplish anything, they need human beings to do that for them. Isn’t your boss telling you what to do, and he/she knows sh.. about how to do it him/her self?
Truth and Lie come from the same Source, it’s all a matter of how you decide to use either of them at any given moment. As with our sheer existence, Truth and Lie are nothing but tools to be used to meet a certain end (pun intended). Inform yourself about it, and use them wisely. (‘Be as Wise ( re: Smart!) as a Snake.’) While, in the end, it always comes back to ourselves, to decide what is and what is not true. After all, when push comes to shove, it is you, who says ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to something, either by word or action. You are always the one who chooses. Understanding this, we never need point a finger at anyone, ever again. Take the responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, and deal with them.
I am not suggesting a status quo, or even diplomacy. It’s far too late for all that. In fact, I am suggesting to simply not adhere to insanity from ‘authority’ gone over the top, to put it mildly. While it is clear that, giving power to any authority (in whichever shape or form) outside yourself, is the greatest insult to your own intelligence.
It is not about taking to the streets, looting and shooting, yelling and screaming, choruses and pepper spray. The guillotine, noose or the fire-squad is not the answer, however much we maybe would like it to be. It only serves the 'Dark Side’s' purpose.
The energy spent, only drains power, which is simultaneously given to those who are being opposed, and this energy, in turn, is immediately used against you. It’s how empowerment works. So, be careful who and what you send Love and Light to. Energy is neutral. When you ‘fight’ something, it gives the opponent strength, to defend and attack. ‘We’ are, indeed, doing ‘them’ a favor. If there is such a thing as, ‘Us’ and ‘Them’. Now there’s a whole new can of worms, when we think in terms of Energy being Neutral. Since, in the Very Big Picture, ‘We’ are ‘Them’, and ‘They’ are ‘Us’, simultaneously. It is just that some decide to go this way, and others, a different way. This is the Freedom of Choice, that we have on this plain of existence.
Don’t blame others for any predicament you may find yourself in, blame it on your own insecurity, of not deciding for yourself, but rather leaving it to ‘authority’ to solve something it created itself in the first place. You are that Authority! Inthat sense, we are indeed, directly and wholly responsible for any atrocity we allow ‘authority’ outside ourselves to commit. Indeed, Know Thyself. It is about creative and consequential thinking, and non-compliance to what we know is not right. And we are losing time fast to use these tools, giving more and more power away every second we spend ‘emotionally’ involved, physically or mentally, with wasting time and energy on those who are not interested in our well-being. After all, we All use Each Other’s Energy.
Do I hear a ‘Yes, but…’ coming?

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:51 AM
great post man.

I went to Peru couple of years ago...totally changed my perspective.The perspective of a loser, angry with the world, with the government, with mom and dad...was gone. In comes the new me...aware of personal choices and how they shape my life and my understanding of reality. Aware of relative nature of positive and negative. Aware that...taking responsibility for my actions and choices is the new driving force of my life.

It is within human nature to blame somebody else. The easing feeling that something is above you, bigger than you and ultimately beyond your power to change, gives us enough reason to reject responsibility.

I agree with your thoughts...we have the power. We have to decide when is enough. We are to blame. order to have the power, you have to know. In order to know, you have to have a desire to know and a source form which to obtain the knowledge. The sources are well hidden though...and not ment for the average Joe. In the end, average joe is so far up the survival gig...that he cares not for knowledge.

This is the great conspiracy...knowledge is not open for everyone. Knowledge is power. Power to create or to destroy.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:59 AM
you lost me after the title the conspiracy is you me everyone the so-called illuminati is just the cabal of beings that control the resources of this planet we the people are sheep they are the shepards and although you think you have freewill you don't it's an illusion another level of lies we have choice only when it suits there needs. any limitation to mind body and soul is bondage plain and simple. our very lives are limited 90-120 years max free will and freedom to choose immortality in the flesh is not possible by todays standards so don't throw freewill into this. it does not exist, buddha stated all life is suffering in my experience yes he was correct no matter who you are no matter what you have no matter how much wealth you accumulate you are still suffering in some form or fashion so please tell me who or what is behind this? why is life so annoying? why is it when you should feel good there is all-ways some bull$h!t right around the corner and when things seem dire and you are at your wits end. the situation is never as bad as it seems why?
who sets the rules in life? not us, if it were us why would we be so self defeating?
the simple answer is there is no freewill only lies and illusion we are told what to do we are told what to believe we are told what to eat and drink we are like children and our parents are insane or better yet we have the potential to be god men and women but we are not allowed look at history every great one who stood outside the box and declared there is more was shot down
Buddha Jesus Mohammad etc. all were killed for going against the status quo
so in closing there is a conspiracy. tptb are driven by fear. Fear of us realizing our greatness fear of us uniting
(remember the tower of babel) this planet is a prison, a prison for your body mind and soul freewill an illusion we are not even allowed to leave the technology does exist to move beyond earth but we are not allowed we are born into bondage perhaps someday more people will question the truths they hold dear or at least question the system they live under until then nothing new can occur
inmate Gaurdian2012 has spoken
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 09:40 AM
You are very right. The world is of negative doesn't live here, it doesn't even visit. You have to dig deep inside the hate embedded into your soul to find the love that exists here.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:00 AM
reply to post by Jwest06

Proof of a Conspiracy - Back in 1798

Firstly there has been a concerted effort to demean and discredit anything related to the so called "Conspiracy Theorist".

In fact if you Google "Conspiracy Theory" it points you to ATS. LOL

And let us not forget that a conspiracy is a Crime committed in secret fundamentally.

We have not committed a crime in a legal sense we are only following and doing as we are told to.

Do the right thing and to look forward to a "Good Job" order to make MONEY.
Do the wrong thing and go to prison and make little or no MONEY.

If you read the book "Proof of a Conspiracy" by Robeson and first published in 1798 it explains the Illuminati movement and how it all began. By the use of the secret Fraternity of wealthy individuals called Free Masons.

In essence they sought to replace the Monarchical system of Finance and Control with an Oligarchical one via Revolution.

And as to why we had so many revolutions beginning with the French, the British Colonies in America and even the overthrow of the Russian Monarchy ....thereafter.

Which is what we have today in that Money and those that own the majority of it called Banks rules everything. The more you have the more control you have over those that do not....which is most of us....the

We didn't vote in the FED to saddle us with Debt, a constantly devaluing Fiat Currency and an illegal income tax.
Taking the little bit of useless paper money left that we have We didn't vote for that.

Looking inwards yes life is full of choices and that IS why we are here as individuals but many if not most of our decisions are based upon.....MONEY.

Money supersedes practically everything in our existence today even God.

Plain and Simple.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:20 AM
reply to post by Jwest06

Excellent perspective, sounds like the teachings of the law of one.How to be spiritual without being religious. Very good post i agree 1000% with everything you have said.Karma, you know it makes sense lol.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:00 PM
reply to post by NowanKenubi

Reminds me of a Joke...EXPERIMENT

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string, and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all the other monkeys with cold water.

After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result – all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm. Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know, that’s the way it’s always been done around here.

And that, my friend, is how a [Government] policy begins...And how TPTB manipulate (or monkeylate) humans.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:01 PM

Originally posted by neotech1neothink
reply to post by Jwest06


I like that!

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:17 PM
Good thread OP!
Love is the key. Hate never solved anything. Love others like yourself. However, love God firstly. Don't use His name in vain (hello crusades). Do not kill in His name. He will not help. Love. It has nothing to do with carnal lusts. Love is not physical. When you do not love God, who are you loving, self. Pride. An offshoot of evil. We have surrounded ourselves with the luxuries of life to the point some think they are gods! Pride. All the earth has to do is one small "burp" and your dead or destitute. We love possession more than humanity. Watch people stumble around with their heads buried in their computer devices (myself included) oblivious to the world around them. Some more interested in data friends than flesh and blood people! The illuminati is real, they worship Lucifer along with the freemasons. Lucifer may be the light-bearer, but he is also the father of lies. The illuminati/freemasons believe in deception and lying to their own members. Bearing false-witness or lying is also a form of pride/hatred/evil. The key word being evil. Would you like someone to be evil to you? Do not be evil to others. Some may be evil towards you, however, you are a hypocrite if you return the favor.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by Jwest06

Well... That about sums it up for me. S&F

Did'nt feel like a telling off to me, more a gentle reminder of what we already know deep down.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:21 PM
reply to post by horseplay

Haha no, I'm not part of the Illuminati. I have been reading a lot of their "leaks" lately and I do believe the New World Order is going to be heaven compared to the way Earth is now. It's just going to be hell getting there. The only way there's not going to be mass death is if we bring about world peace ourselves, so I tried haha. Their view is they have to do what they do for the "greater good" as far as exterminating a lot of the people here, however, the Earth is going to help them in a big way on its own accord.

Something I removed from the original post, I probably shouldn't have in regards to the bigger picture. There's overwhelming evidence that at least some people are reincarnating, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're supposed to. Figure out why, return home.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:27 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

Love never ever switches hats.

You can experience "horrible" things out of love, simply to learn lessons. The perspective is everything and sometimes we have to look beyond our own to get to the truth. It's just an illusion mate.

This planet is run in extreme control mode from cradle to death, with the intent of taking the Love out of loving hearts coming in for tests and degrading everyone.

I'm glad you noticed this too lol, now the question is why?

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:30 PM
reply to post by Jwest06

This is a great post.

I agree in essence, it is the assumption that these people have this power and can maintain it that keeps them having any power what so ever. If people realized where there true potential lies, which is certainly not in worrying about some shadowy group of old fogies secretly controlling our existence, then the powers at hand, for the people, are just immeasurable.

When people realize that their true power lies within themselves, and that we all have it, maybe we can get something done, otherwise we spend all of our time trying to separate ourselves in some fear based reality where people are too scared to speak to each other about what really matters.

Thanks for the post.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by LajanAytik

The energy spent, only drains power, which is simultaneously given to those who are being opposed, and this energy, in turn, is immediately used against you.

I like this point in particular. Those that feed on our negative energy reside here. This is their home, not ours. We're simply occupying their space until we can figure out why.

Anyone else ever notice that when you start to feel negative (angry, sad, etc.) that it becomes a downward progression even if nothing new is placed upon it? Be careful not to feed them too much lol, that's your energy.

posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by gaurdian2012

This is my understanding of the bigger picture, the perspective the Illuminati insiders implied but didn't state:

It ties in with what you said and everyone else is saying about the suffering, even the Buddha.

However, read it at your own peril. It will have never mean as much to you if you have to be told the answers instead of finding them on your own.

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