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10,000 year old Italian cave painting of aliens?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by isyeye
I've seen this picture referenced a few times, but does anyone know more about it?
Are there actual pictures of the cave painting?

I'm sure this has been discussed already on ATS, but I couldn't find more information searching.

www.crystalinks.com...


This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.
It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.






The turtles were often compared to the shape of flying craft, as does the circle. The snakes would indicate lights that appeared to moves snakelike around the craft...



I noticed that the snake at the bottom of the drawing has 3 patterns on it. Solid white, black and white squares, and then solid black. That could easily be the pattern that the lights followed around the ship, if that's what they were trying to depict.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Here is another picture of Aboriginal art. The faces seems similar to the picture we're researching, and there are several more pictures with similar facial features. I would say that the picture in question is Aboriginal in origin, but whether it is old or new art has yet to be revealed.
blog.gmedical.com...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Fraank Fontaine
Do we have a source to definitively link the picture in the original post to the alleged cave paints in question? Looking through all the links I can find on the Valcamonica cave art I don't see the image... in fact, all the images I could find were stylistically very different.

I can't buy into any of this until the picture source is proven.

FF


i agree. something is out of place in that pic, but it's worthy of note that it isn't australian aborigine but rather italian aborigine according to the op (but op's source may be wrong) different side of the globe

yet the place it supposedly came from, doesn't have any art on the net that is that detailed and only one example i can recall, that was symmetrical and it wasn't anywhere near that symmetrical, nor that old. most of the italian examples were more like scribbly, for lack of a better word to describe it....i dunno. we're talking the op pic is a difference of several thousand years older, too. suggesting the artists who drew it, 12,000 years ago, did better than their descendants, 6000 years ago.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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From what I can tell from my research on the picture, the description of the picture got mistakenly changed to state that it was from Italy, and several people have used the picture and description not realizing that it was not accurate. I have found several sites stating that it was from Italy, but I think we are on the right track to finding the source of the picture.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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so check modern aborigine art from australia perhaps?
just to be sure it isn't a modern piece. it bugs me. i saw it in my stargates thread and it bugged me there too.
it's odd.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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I believe that Zorgon posted it there recently.

Here's another picture:




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by steveknows
You're so good at telling people about their own country I've noted yet don't have the brass ones to post your own location.


That is because you simply don't pay attention. I have given my history many times in many threads. I was born in Germany, we moved to Canada and I now reside in Las Vegas. I speak German and French (thanks to Canadians mandatory French classes)


Here's a link with the same painting telling the real Dreamtime stories that they believed that during the Dreamtime the creators were men and women who had taken spiritual forms. churchofcriticalthinking.org...


You REALLY need to pay attention and stop postulating
From your own link


Some aboriginal people are already coming forward to tell of possible UFO or abduction related experiences. For example, Lorraine Mafi-Williams, who has been described as a storyteller and 'liaison officer' for the spiritual truths of her Githebul group from the Bundjalung tribe, has revealed some of her perceptions of these intrusions into both aboriginal and western lives:

"Our attitude to what goes on up in the heavens is what rules us Aboriginals. Its similar to religion, whereby Christians believe in a religious world ruled by one God, but many "Saints", we believe the same only the many "saints" to us are planetary ones whom you in the the Western world refer to as ET or aliens.


Thanks for the link
PRICELESS



You've got no foundation fella. There's true aboriginal history of spiritual beliefs and not some lame ATS seeking twisting of their beliefs into aliens did it like you've search for.


Actually I have several Aussie researchers on my team... and they tell a different story. Your problem is selective learning... you only pick up what you want to and regurgitate it as fact. Your OWN LINK above as I just pointed out says that the nativea are now coming forward and speaking of 'UFO or abduction related experiences" That is why that link of yours is very useful



It's got nothing to do with aliens
You crack me up. There's not a single mention of aliens.


You are either a fool, or you lack reading skills... so just to repeat from that article YOU LINKED and say "There's not a single mention of aliens." I see this...


"Some aboriginal people are already coming forward to tell of possible UFO or abduction related experiences."

"many "saints" to us are planetary ones whom you in the the Western world refer to as ET or aliens.Are Gods of antiquity really alien beings?"

"that we commonly refer to as our Dreamtime, that began in the Milky Way."

"Lorraine suggests that communications from these beings is ongoing and cites her own experiences with her "old friend" since the age of 12. She feels she is an "abductee". "... my dear old friend took me up, yes in a UFO, but a different sort to the western beliefs."

"She adds, "I went through all or nearly what abductees did ... " Lorraine indicated, "We believe in UFO, but here to we have the aboriginal concept and belief, and we know about abductions and why."


churchofcriticalthinking.org...

These type of stories are very common and well known among all native Aussies.

So I see ET, Alien and UFO abductions mentioned SEVERAL times... you really need to read what is written, then you would look less the fool


How about you it's actually you who should get educated. In anything at all. Please please get educated in something. Man you just fail all the time


Seems to me it is you who fails... even from your own link


I am done with you... denying your ignorance is an impossible task when you refuse to see what is in front of you

Have a nice life



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by isyeye
I've seen this picture referenced a few times, but does anyone know more about it?
Are there actual pictures of the cave painting?

I'm sure this has been discussed already on ATS, but I couldn't find more information searching.

www.crystalinks.com...


This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.
It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.








Could it be an alien in an suit of some kind (the brain controlling its arms)
You can also clearly see the small creature's lungs, so he is the one living.
snakes and turtles.. I dotn know what to make of it. Are they creators of life?

In the bible, the snake represents evil and is as old as mankind. Perhaps those creatures have been feared as being of evil nature.
The snake also reminds me of a timeline. You can see below it some sort of chronology, stars, sun and moon perhaps an indication to recurrent visits to the same people.

Or: Some snakes and turtles are amphibious, could this mean that they need our water? Or dwell in our oceans?



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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you people confuse abstract art with aliens way too often.

It looks like a family portrait.

Compare to modern impressionism.

www.famous-art.net...
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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NOW i know what bugs me about it.
aboriginal art was mostly telling data. like how many bison the tribe had or a battle scene.
but this piece is decorative. the hints are all the symmetrical bits.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
you people confuse abstract art with aliens way too often.
It looks like a family portrait.


Ah I was about to reply to you but I see you just answered the OP

:shk:



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Speaking of rockets - there looks to be one in this ancient pictograph at Hospital Rock up near Kings Canyon NP in California. Check it out:




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Exactly.

This is simply a drawing a modern guy made in what he thought was a pre-historic cave painting style to illustrate the front cover of his book.
It is far too structured and symmetrical and is meant to portray an overall concept rather than a specific event or occurrence.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Very intresting thread. First time I've heard of this cave painting.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Exactly. This is simply a drawing a modern guy made in what he thought was a pre-historic cave painting style to illustrate the front cover of his book.


Which means what?
That crystal links are knowingly spreading disinfo?
look at how far things go. We've had to discuss this here. Some people are not members of forums like these and just browse, look at the pic and think it's real and from Italy.
Crystal links has a lot to answer for. Just contributing to the madness.
They should take that pic off.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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I would imagine that would be the point of replying. It seems to me to be a sort of family history or family portrait.

If you remove all culture, all history, etc etc, and make people draw something, it often is an abstraction. Like children's drawings. Though they can also be a mix of abstract and representative. None the less, seems to be a family portrait.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove

The turtles were often compared to the shape of flying craft, as does the circle. The snakes would indicate lights that appeared to moves snakelike around the craft. You notice that humans are shown at the bottom and the creatures at the top are tall, thin, with longer arms and legs than humans. They indicate that they came from the circle, or craft. Back then any people alive not knowing what technology was would mistaken the craft as a living thing.


best analisys read so far



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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I think this picture illustrates the problem of disinformation. There are about 100-200 different sites using this picture as more proof of aliens, when none of them have done the research on what they are posting. Pictures like these can be interpreted differently, and not knowing the source can be a huge problem

IMO....This is a picture showing an Aboriginal creation myth....whether it's new or old, we shall find out.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by new_here

Originally posted by quietlearner
it also look like the bigger one has its head open and the people at the top are throwing something in
very interesting!


Yup, I see it now that you pointed it out. The "beak people" are throwing crumbs of... knowledge? ...into the open mind of the larger central figure. Then there's the serpents up there too. Tie-in to Garden of Eden story anyone? (Knowledge of Good & Evil, serpent...)


More like the Nephilim. The book of Enoch talks a lot about the 'watchers' or 'nephilim' or 'fallen angels'. I can't help but wonder if this image is related...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Regardless of what the painting depicts, I would give damn near anything to travel back in time to the period it was created.



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