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10,000 year old Italian cave painting of aliens?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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as far as i can tell, i see a bigger kind of species(possibly pre-hominids) and a smaller ones emerging from it(poss. mankind) and around the circle, there are bipedals with pointed faces and snakes(which can be a reference to reptiles.) i do not want to state anything, but the more i look into it, The Intervention Theory by Lloyd Pye, and the gold digging theory by zecharia sitchin seems to tie together. i am planning to make a post on it, for i have quite a theory. but anyways, before you slam me, understand that the theory is not Sitchin. i know he falsified evidence(or something like that), but the core of his thing is very much plausible. it is all coming in together, so as soon as i find out how to make your own posts, i will.
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Good find!!!

Wonder if there is any way to find out the credit for the cover picture....

I am looking as well for more information.

Maybe looking in Aboriginal pics?

I know someone stated it was fake a couple pages back but where did this author get the pic? Did they make themselves or is it from an actual depiction?

More hunting to do!



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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To me, it is a representation of Life, on earth, and Death, in space.

The two inter beings represent humanity and mother nature inside of the Earth, symbolizing that they are one. Nature's mind is open, and one with the Earth; likewise, Humanty's mind is open, and one with Nature. Or, that humans came from nature and the earth, and they will always be a part of each other. The stars, moon, planets, etc represent outer space. The turtles and snakes are decoration for water and land. And, of course, the 4 dark figures are the "dead", who are now among the stars, reaching back for "life".

Life, Death, Nature, and Space were really all the ancient people knew. So, a man drawing his ideas of death aren't really unlikely; but, a man drawing flying bird people, or extra terrestrial visitors riding on giant turtles is pretty farfetched....

Just my interpretation though

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Only review I can find for the book is here; www.amazon.co.uk...=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt/278-7315239-0677040?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Only reference to the cover illustration I found seemed to imply that it may be the work of the author himself.



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Understanding Aboriginal culture. Front Cover. Cyril Havecker ... Title, Understanding Aboriginal culture. Author, Cyril Havecker. Editors, Cyril Havecker


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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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I'd say the Italian cave painting is the cycle of Reincarnation.

The circle of life. Before we're born our traits and personality are already decided. From the Egg, pictured on the bottom with the wise old turtles. Signifying our DNA.

Then again if I smoked a joint and close one eye and looked at it.....I could see the "alienz" part of it.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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I found this mentioning the book.....Is the picture from Uluru???


www.crystalinks.com...

Perhaps the most well known sacred site in Australia is Uluru. Located in the center of Australia, southwest of Alice Springs, the first European explorers dubbed it Ayers Rock. It is a colossal outcropping of sandstone about six miles in circumference with an intense red color. At sunset it is particularly magic as its color changes from red to purple.

The caves inside the rock are covered with Aboriginal paintings. In 1985 the federal government of Australia returned Uluru to its traditional owners, the Aborigines. According to Cyril Havecker in his book Understanding Aboriginal Culture, in Aboriginal mythology Uluru is the Intelligent Snake from the higher spirit realms of the universe who brought forth a great rainbow. From this rainbow a huge spirit snake slithered down to earth. This was Uluru, symbol of the Great Rainbow Serpent. Uluru is depicted by Aborigines as a symbol of fertility. It is shaped like a horseshoe lying on its side, the open end to the left. The lower part of the "U" undulates and is filled with eggs. Thus the figure symbolizes both male and female and is considered to be the father and mother of all forms of life.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius
I'd say the Italian cave painting is the cycle of Reincarnation.

The circle of life. Before we're born our traits and personality are already decided. From the Egg, pictured on the bottom with the wise old turtles. Signifying our DNA.

Then again if I smoked a joint and close one eye and looked at it.....I could see the "alienz" part of it.


Read through the thread then scroll up. It's not in Italy and the picture appears on a book about the Aborigines.

Understanding Aboriginal Culture
If you scroll half way down and look to the right you can see the book


Also I wouldn't mention drug references per the T&C.

Some are still looking to see where the author got the cover pic but one stated the author may have done it themselves.




posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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I have been reliably informed that Ayers Rock is an amazing place.
I know it's the home of some fantastic ancient cave drawings, but none that I'm aware resemble the one in question.

www.google.co.uk... qi=2&ved=0CHgQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=660



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Drink enough moonshine or skooma and people start to look like that,

Probably evidence of hallucinogenic interpretations of the spirit and mundane worlds intertwinning.

Strange visions were seen by the ancient peoples, much like we see them today.

There have forever been thoughts of the possibility that there is "An Other"


-GM



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Interesting find, op! The painting looks very much like the paintings done on rocks by early North American native tribes, especially with the depiction of the snakes and turtles.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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It seems then that the pic is from a book.
Does this mean that crystal links are hoaxing?
I mean if we have researched a little bit and can't verify this, the person who owns crystal links must know also.
Do they even research what they put up on their site?

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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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I've seen this picture before, and I don't understand why everyone think's it has to mean they were talking about Aliens. My opinion is that we will never know, but it sure does look like they just sucked at drawing people. That's all I ever take away from these silly drawings.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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i dunno what it is, but that image seems wrong somehow. i'll have to study it for a bit to see if i can't figure out why it doesn't seem right



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Is this the same book in a different language?...or a different book?

Can anyone translate the title?

I think it means:
Dreamtime
The Memory of the Austrailian Aborigines


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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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The artistry seems to depict that we may be existing in a living cell or part of a living thing and that all life is connected. Take the fact that in the painting you have live giving birth to live inside what could be a cell. Then around the circumference of this cell we have a chain of life through paintings of various life forms . There are mind blowing things that could explain such a concept. Quantum physics is full of many concepts that suggest this like zero point field. Zero point field is an energy that appears to connect all things. To me i believe that this theory of existing in side a living thing is far beyond our scientific understand as of now but Quantum physics is going in the right direction. I for one back this concept.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by isyeye
Is this the same book in a different language?...or a different book?

Can anyone translate the title?


Id hazard a guess the title says "The Dream Time" (isnt temps time?) with the bottom one looking pretty much like it says "The memories of the aboriginal peoples of Australia" ?...

I dont speak or read the language (its French isnt it?) but its pretty easy to infer what its saying just from reading it, which would mean the picture isnt from an itallian cave since its clearly something to do with the Australian aborigine.

edit:- heh yay google translate, keep forgetting it can do that


As to the whole alien pic thing... no it doesnt show aliens, while the face is the same compared to other cave paintings of such spirits in Australian aboriginal art you still have to realize that its just a style of art, every primitive and early culture has one heck if you have no written language and all you have is your art to transfer knowledge between generations you quickly get a generalized style going so nothing important is lost.

Heck the Maori do carvings of their ancestors that are nothing like humans or with the heads looking more or less identical between each carving) with 3 fingers and toes its more about what/who they represent rather than what they factually look like. They even have weaved boards of geometric shapes and patterns that more or less tell stories and genealogy... if you can interpret their meaning.

You cant really understand these kinds of pictures unless you have the cultural mindset of the painter. Otherwise all you see is odd looking beings you attribute to modern pop culture aliens and weird theories...

Its a cultural picture describing an event or story, either mythical or factual, kinda like a book but in a single page form with a visual synopsis for the story teller or viewer to spark recognition of important parts of the narrative... nothing more in my opinion.



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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by isyeye

I think it means:
Dreamtime
The Memory of the Austrailian Aborigines


Oui c'est vrai


Yes your translation is correct



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Do we have a source to definitively link the picture in the original post to the alleged cave paints in question? Looking through all the links I can find on the Valcamonica cave art I don't see the image... in fact, all the images I could find were stylistically very different.

I can't buy into any of this until the picture source is proven.

FF



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Try looking a few posts above yours


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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by TranscendentSnake
I've seen this picture before, and I don't understand why everyone think's it has to mean they were talking about Aliens. My opinion is that we will never know, but it sure does look like they just sucked at drawing people. That's all I ever take away from these silly drawings.


The reason people might think they are talking about aliens is that the Aboriginal story of creation says the Wandjina ARE aliens as they came from the Milky Way...

Wandjina



Silly drawings?
What your an art critic?

Silly lemming



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