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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Iran could not hold the straight for more than a few days. I certainly don't believe they would be allowed to "practice" holding it in any meaningful way.

Blocking the straight would actually be good for Russia, and not so much for China. And certainly not for Iran ... not only would it deny them of their favorite income, it would open justification for allied forces to go in and unleash hell. It's the worst thing Iran could possibly do strategically.




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by wdkirk
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....or....force the world to change its standard from oil to something else making the middle east all but worthless in the process. Oil is just the cheapest way right now......not the only way.


"Gaw-dammit" (more pipe dream "free energy"posts!)there is No replacement for oil! no diffuse alternatives have the energy contained in a barrel of oil not today not in 10 years. and oil=food!

Quit this utopian gaia b.s. where millions of lives are concerned.Iran stretching its legs and actually denying the world middle eastern oil is not good for anybody not Iranians (who will suffer)/paki/china, the russians or the U.S.
If the 90's showed us anything:It's We will go to war over oil( I was in Saudi for gulf war I)
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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by area6
Iran could not hold the straight for more than a few days. I certainly don't believe they would be allowed to "practice" holding it in any meaningful way.

Blocking the straight would actually be good for Russia, and not so much for China. And certainly not for Iran ... not only would it deny them of their favorite income, it would open justification for allied forces to go in and unleash hell. It's the worst thing Iran could possibly do strategically.

"Good for the russians"?(resource wise, maybe) how would they feel about fallout?



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by area6
Iran could not hold the straight for more than a few days. I certainly don't believe they would be allowed to "practice" holding it in any meaningful way.

Blocking the straight would actually be good for Russia, and not so much for China. And certainly not for Iran ... not only would it deny them of their favorite income, it would open justification for allied forces to go in and unleash hell. It's the worst thing Iran could possibly do strategically.

"Good for the russians"?(resource wise, maybe) how would they feel about fallout?


I assume a conventional war for a couple of reasons ... I doubt a nuclear strike would cause Iran to surrender as it did Japan in WWII so it's not a practical approach. It is an equalizer if allied forces started having their butts handed to them against Iran, but I don't forsee that either.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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No expert here but have been there and remember training under the possibility of just this type of scenario. It is a weird place. Usually has calm water. Lots of heat. Plays hell with radar. You can get massive amounts or refraction (I think) off of the still hot water causing clutter. Couple this with the narrow straight and mountains for potentially people to hide with exocet (sp?) missiles and it gets dicey for sure. As I remember it, we used to blast in there very quick and out the same way. If I were an Admiral, or whatnot, considering the situation, however, I would be far more concerned about having a carrier group (possibly 2) trapped in there. Retreat sealed off. It is the oldest trick of the military for years. We could have a floating "Pearl Harbor" situation without hope of help. The situation could be far worse if Bahrain is somehow compromised. Personally, I wish that we would get the heck out. That being said, I am sure there are many things that I don't know about factoring into decisions.

Thought that I would jump in. Hopefully I am not a thread killer this time! HAHA




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Please, don't lump me in with the free energy folks. Just stating an opinion on alternate fuels. The cost alone is what keeps alternative fuels out of reach. Oil is cheaper and better. I agree with you. Just saying.....force the world to change and it will.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by wdkirk
reply to post by 46ACE
 


Please, don't lump me in with the free energy folks. Just stating an opinion on alternate fuels. The cost alone is what keeps alternative fuels out of reach. Oil is cheaper and better. I agree with you. Just saying.....force the world to change and it will.


Algae "fuel": $33.00/gallon...

Sorry: my bad . knee jerk reaction to continual "well we know we have secret technology alternatives they are suppressing" posts.

If we cut off oil tomorrow, we have nothing to replace it with...

it will only benefit the earth in that 5 billion or so really boney people(who today exist solely because of the massive energy return provided by oil) will become fertilizer months afterward.

Perhaps it wasn't you; but others further up in the thread were happily advocating an oil war as good and welcome for the people and the earth.As if merely swearing off oil guarantees a seemless transitionto what is a nonexistant technology. Naieve utopians...grumble.... bed time..
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posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:56 AM
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If Iran wants a realistic practice they will need to simulate trying to block the straight with their entire navy and most of their air force resting in pieces at the bottom of the straight. Im just sayin.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by truthinfact

Oh no your 100% wrong my friend. Look at a map. China would have everything to GAIN. They don't need the strait, China is located on the same Continent and relatively close. Especially close compared to how far away america is.


In fact, china is probably the one pushing for all of this.. They have everything to gain.


Just wondering...when was it that they completed the oil pipeline from Iran to China?

Of course, one does not exist, so your argument has no present time merit. If an action against Iran is going to take place, it will be well in advance of the completion of any such oil land link.

Unless you figure they can get this planned and built sometime within the next year...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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If Israel and/or America decide to attack Iran, the following should be kept in mind:

1) This attack will be an air and sea based action, with (little or) no warning. There will be no months long amassing of troops at the Iranian border. So, Iran would have no idea when they should begin to try to create such a blockade.

2) Since surprise will be on the side of the attackers, the U.S. will ensure that it has the assets in place and at the ready to make sure that...once the attack has begun...that any Iranian movement toward the Strait will be meet with devastating counter force. The Iranians would be lucky to get their lines cast off before they were lurching toward the bottom.

3) If the Iranians do the smart thing, and limit their response to complaining to the United Nations, then the attack will be swift...they will lose most or all of their nuclear development facilities...and then it will be over. If they do the stupid thing, and decide to retaliate by attacking U.S. assets, or Israel directly...then they will have their entire military capability reduced to rubble from the air and the sea. No troops will invade...and the Iranians will be left to clean up the mess for themselves.

So, practicing blocking the Strait is a complete waste of time...it is never going to happen.

My two cents worth...



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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We tapped into our major reserve in Cali. almost a year ago. If you guys think we have all sorts oil. you should look at this article.www.wtrg.com... compares to the gulf war



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by 10111011
We tapped into our major reserve in Cali. almost a year ago. If you guys think we have all sorts oil. you should look at this article.www.wtrg.com... compares to the gulf war


And yet the Great Changer, in his infinite wisdom, decided to block the building of a new oil pipeline from Canada (not to mention the thousands of jobs it would create in the U.S.) until after the election just because a few tree huggers and Hollywood stars staged a couple of sit-ins in Washington.

I should add that the developer of the pipeline promptly offered to reroute the pipeline away from the "environmentally sensitive" area in question...but POTUS said he wants to wait anyway.

This is what passes for leadership these days....



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Good for Iran ...This time Iran has a lot of missiles and artillery alongside the Gulf of Hormuz , a few supertankers and the debris will make oil trade in ME impossible for 10-20 years as removing the debris will take years in that zone and the waters are very shallow.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Let them close it and keep it closed. There would be some months of pain, but maybe the US would finally start drilling here and end our dependence on getting such an important resource from our enemies.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by ALLDRAFT
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If Iran wants a realistic practice they will need to simulate trying to block the straight with their entire navy and most of their air force resting in pieces at the bottom of the straight. Im just sayin.


Typical of some one who dont know how things are done.

Iran wont close of the Straight by using their Navy. There are many ways to close of the Straight. All you have to do is make the threat and things will change.

Just the threat of implying that Iran will close the Straight will make the Oil prices sky rocket.

Iran will mine the whole aria off. And it wont matter if the US can detect the mines. The US would first have to attack Iran to be able do anything about it.

If the US attacks Iran, oil tanker most likely wont have any ports to load oil. Because Iran will target these docks with missiles.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by mobiusmale

Originally posted by 10111011
We tapped into our major reserve in Cali. almost a year ago. If you guys think we have all sorts oil. you should look at this article.www.wtrg.com... compares to the gulf war


And yet the Great Changer, in his infinite wisdom, decided to block the building of a new oil pipeline from Canada (not to mention the thousands of jobs it would create in the U.S.) until after the election just because a few tree huggers and Hollywood stars staged a couple of sit-ins in Washington.
But...But... New jobs are his #1 priority. How can it be so???


I should add that the developer of the pipeline promptly offered to reroute the pipeline away from the "environmentally sensitive" area in question...but POTUS said he wants to wait anyway.

This is what passes for leadership these days....
TPTB wants our economy in the crapper. It is the only way they can get us to abandon the dollar and our sovereignty.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
Good for Iran ...This time Iran has a lot of missiles and artillery alongside the Gulf of Hormuz , a few supertankers and the debris will make oil trade in ME impossible for 10-20 years as removing the debris will take years in that zone and the waters are very shallow.
A few thermobarics and Iran will have nothing near the waterway.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by ALLDRAFT
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If Iran wants a realistic practice they will need to simulate trying to block the straight with their entire navy and most of their air force resting in pieces at the bottom of the straight. Im just sayin.


Typical of some one who dont know how things are done.

Iran wont close of the Straight by using their Navy. There are many ways to close of the Straight. All you have to do is make the threat and things will change.

Just the threat of implying that Iran will close the Straight will make the Oil prices sky rocket.

Iran will mine the whole aria off. And it wont matter if the US can detect the mines. The US would first have to attack Iran to be able do anything about it.

If the US attacks Iran, oil tanker most likely wont have any ports to load oil. Because Iran will target these docks with missiles.





All the more reason to EMP bomb them right now. Then follow up by removing their capacity to build anything, making unassisted recovery impossible for decades.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
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China would see the biggest impact if the Straits are closed.


I don't think that they would stand for that.

The US could sit back and let China take the lead on that


no they would let China and Russia ship go.
its a good play on their part I think.
to many reasons Not to go to war.
need more false flags.

any one know why Qeshm airport is 5 kilometers long?
you could land the space shuttle.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by wdkirk
ALSO....the US imports its largest supply of OIL from CANADA (38%). Oil speculation is scam. The US does have its own supply....can it keep up with demand....probably not. However, it is cheaper to buy foreign oil and refine it rather than refine our own.


Or its better to drive up price with speculation of trouble so it sells its oil on the inflated open market






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