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EU veto: Cameron says he negotiated in 'good faith'

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Krono
Not being funny but as soon as the dimwit came into power with his sex slave, there's been nothing but doom and gloom for us Brits. He's made devastating cuts which has crippled the economy, highest unemployment in years, lowest forecasted growth in years, the economy will contract by 1.5% either next year or year after and he's cutting our armed forces even though we're in Afghan plus looks like Iran.

Cant wait until he gets kicked out next election, one of the worst politician britain has had.


Is this a serious post? Do you understand what was happening with the economy during the Labour years? I said in 1997 what the outcome of Labour's activities would be and lo and behold they haven't disappointed.

The biggest joke of all is that Labour's front bench now is made up of the same people who are responsible for spending our wealth!

Don't think about banking crisis or other financial things, our mess (austerity) is solely down to the fact that our structural deficit is so high - in other words we are now at the point where the interest payments on our debt are so high we are not actually paying off any debt at all. The only way to reduce this is engage in cutting government services.

As a total aside, the government spending plan totally trumpeted by Ed Balls has also been debunked - it is actually bad for the economy down the road (it may provide false benefit for a couple of years but then the negatives kick in).




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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You must be joking if you believe any of these dim witted career politicians give a hoot for the country.

We are in it together. Yeah right in it but dont worry them and their mates will be standing on our shoulders coplaining IT is getting on their shoes.

Ever noticed they keep acussing each other of being funded by the city or unions but never mention the ones that elected them and certainly not the ones that voted against them, often the majority.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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and all we hear is noise how the EU is one big happy family with the UK left in the cold like Jonny no mates and yet the leading Presidential Candidate for France, François Hollande had a few words to say on this Treaty.


"If I'm elected president I'll renegotiate this deal to include what is missing today," Hollande said, adding that he hoped France would not lose its top "Triple-A" debt rating between now and the poll.

"I'd see to it that we add ... ECB intervention, eurobonds and a financial bail-out fund to respond to what is today the pressure of the markets, and, finally, what we need is growth," Hollande argued.

www.google.com...


I doubt we'll be Billy no mates for long

edit on 12/12/11 by thoughtsfull because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian

Originally posted by Krono
Not being funny but as soon as the dimwit came into power with his sex slave, there's been nothing but doom and gloom for us Brits. He's made devastating cuts which has crippled the economy, highest unemployment in years, lowest forecasted growth in years, the economy will contract by 1.5% either next year or year after and he's cutting our armed forces even though we're in Afghan plus looks like Iran.

Cant wait until he gets kicked out next election, one of the worst politician britain has had.


Is this a serious post? Do you understand what was happening with the economy during the Labour years? I said in 1997 what the outcome of Labour's activities would be and lo and behold they haven't disappointed.

The biggest joke of all is that Labour's front bench now is made up of the same people who are responsible for spending our wealth!

Don't think about banking crisis or other financial things, our mess (austerity) is solely down to the fact that our structural deficit is so high - in other words we are now at the point where the interest payments on our debt are so high we are not actually paying off any debt at all. The only way to reduce this is engage in cutting government services.

As a total aside, the government spending plan totally trumpeted by Ed Balls has also been debunked - it is actually bad for the economy down the road (it may provide false benefit for a couple of years but then the negatives kick in).


You do realise our debt isn't as big as the media says do you? Under Labour we had bigger growth we did and there was high employment. Yes Labour screwed up and shouldve dealt with the idiot bankers. But making cuts is NOT the answer. Oh yes the debt is £159billion, sounds like a lot but it's not. Anyway, the world money crisis was set up by some greedy bastards making more money.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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The Bilderberg Group,

Check 1991 in the run down,


Annual meetings are held in locations all over the world, and are closed to the public and the press, although a brief press conference is usually held at the conclusion of each meeting to reveal, in general terms, some of the topics which were discussed. The resort areas and hotels where they meet are cleared of residents and visitors and surrounded by soldiers, armed guard, the Secret Service, State and local police. All conference and meeting rooms are scanned for bugging devices before every single meeting.

Prior to the l971 meeting in Woodstock, Virginia, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (one of the founding members,) said that the subject of the meeting was the "change in the world role of the United States". After the weekend conference, Kissinger went to Red China to open up trade relations and an international monetary crisis developed, which prompted the devaluing of the dollar by 8.5% (which made a tremendous profit for those who converted to the European currency.

In 1976, fifteen representatives from the Soviet Union attended the meeting which was held in the Arizona desert and it was believed that at that time the plans were formulated for the break-up of communism in the Soviet Union.

At the 1990 meeting held at Glen Cove, Long Island, they decided that taxes had to be raised to pay more towards the debit owed to the International Bankers.

A the 1991 meeting at the Black Forest resort in Baden Baden, Germany, they discussed plans for a common European currency and European central banking, and reviewed Middle Eastern events.

At their 1992 meeting the group discussed the possibility of "conditioning the public to accept the idea of a UN army that could, by force, impose its will on the internal affairs of any nation."

The official press release for their 2002 Conference read:

"Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued."
Any society that holds its activities under the cloak of secrecy can be ranked as conspiratorial. It may hide under a figurehead who may or may not know the true aims of the body he represents but without doubt the Bilderberg Group is a group of financiers and industrialists under the command of Internationalist Jewry. And those Gentiles who belong to it are either dupes or members of the "can't beat 'em, join 'em" brigade.




The Bilderberg group is a power elite. Another of the "secret" societies, following in the role of Freemasonry and the Illuminati.

In 1954 Dr Joseph Retinger, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, was supposed to have set up this group, probably in the role of "agent". With him were Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive) and General Walter Bedel Smith (former American Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA).

Its governing council was made up of Robert Ellswort (Lazard Freres), John Loudon, (N. M. Rothschild), Paul Nitze (Shroeder Bank), C. L. Sulzberger (New York Times), Stansfield Turner (later to become CIA Director) Peter Calvocoressi, (Penguin Books), Andrew Schoenberg, Daniel Ellsberg and Henry Kissinger.

The first meeting took place at the Hotel de Bilderberg - hence the name of the group. Lord Rothschild and Laurance Rockefeller handpicked 100 of the world's money moguls. The group have met annually in different parts of the world since then. Their avowed aim world government.


Banking Governors and other fiscal elites who attend the meetings,

King,Mervyn - Governor, Bank of England [ Mervyn who was apocalyptic in his view of the UK downturn to come 2 weeks ago ].

Trichet, Jean-Claude - President, European Central Bank

Schwab, Klaus,- President, World Economic Forum

Wallenberg, Jacob - Chairman of the Board, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken

Wolfenson, James - President, The World Bank

Kielholz, Walter - Former Chairman of the Board, Credit Suisse

Soros, George - President and Chairman of Soros Fund Management

Kopper, Hilmar - Chairman of Deutsche Bank

Greenspan, Alan - former Chairman, Federal Reserve System

McDonough, William - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Moscow, Michael - President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Pearl, Frank - Chairman and CEO, Perseus, L. L.C.

Kist, Ewald - Chairman of the Board ING



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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We are one of the single most indebted countries in the whole world relative to GDP and without a good gold reserve (sold by Gordon at rock bottom prices) we are very very exposed if the current system goes under.

The UK austerity (painful as it is) is simply theatre to prevent the markets from noticing what a total basket case we are. Its a confidence trick, praying for a growth miracle to come and help us out before we are found out. It seems to be working so far.

People would riot if they cut expenditure to what we can actually afford, we've been sucking on the tit of cheap government borrowing for so long. Like a smaller version of the USA.

We need to restructure our economy away from finance and back to manufacture and export. If the city is to be taxed the money should come to the UK exchequer and be spent on restructuring our economy. Not sucked into the EU bailout vortex.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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So the greedy few have nothing to do with it then?

We were broke and in depression at the last olympics held here and we will be in the next. The rich that were rich then are richer now.

This country runs on cheap labour and the cry of we are skint is how they take back anything we earn.

The only way to rebuild our ecomony is to put some fairness into it so we all share in hard work and the rewards. You think our great and good are prepared to share the good life? That would be a first.

All I have ever heard is tighten your belts and were are in this together while the fat piggy rich get fatter and further away from us. Nothing is going to change unless we change it and stop playing their stupid game.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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I think you'll find I didn't say any such thing. The behaviour of the financial industry in terms of bonuses and the practices conducted there are odious and can't be defended. This didn't start with the current government. It started in the 80s and was continued all the way through new labour and up to now.

The biggest criticism of labour was that they utterly failed to restructure our economy or reform the city during the 10 years of boom. The tories dismantled our manufacturing in 2 decades and labour did little to help in the decade they had to try and fix it. They borrowed and spent on popular things as if the world would boom forever. Now the money is all gone. With very little to show for it. We are in a more precarious position than many nations. Our rich poor divide is worse than 40 years ago. Think about that.

I voted labour 3 times in my life. Its only in the last few years I've come to realise that despite their heart being in the right place their method is wrong, counterproductive, and that the problems we have are due to our money system more than anything.

Neither the conservatives or labour have had any appetite to do what should have been done. They both live in glass houses.

Brass tacks, we are in survival mode now. The world is heading for a cataclysmic depression that I don't think anything can stop. The coalition is the best of the available options to get us through (yes, that thought depresses me).




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